DjWabbet: Its interesting that you havent noticed that like everything else in life the "Alpha Male" model has and will continue to evolve.
The Alpha male you refer to is at best, a throwback to the 70's and 80's, why, if you think back even further to the times when the alpha male was the sole breadwinner and etiquette demanded that his meals were on the table when he finished work, the housework and children were tended to by the time he got home and the housewife was at his beck and call in a life long sentence of indentured servitude.
The Alpha males of today, have developed and evolved, i have actually gone with a male friend of mine and stood in a store and argued about the merits of thread counts in bed sheets, now, we are both ex rugby players, we still drink (and know our limits) strip clubs bore us to no end, and if we had to fight for survival we would and have no compunction about doing so. The difference is that we are much more smarter than our predecessors and we realise that its not all about us.
Or is it that personally you just prefer the old knuckle draggers?
Good post Wabbit.. I got married in 1962 and my husband wouldn't be caught dead shopping for anything for the house unless it was furniture. You are right that today's men have evolved to the point that they don't need a woman to tell them which color looks best on them, which cereal has less fat. They can do it all by themself. That doesn't make them less a man, it makes them knowledgeable and helpful.
As for visiting strip clubs, men are visual people. If they aren't fantasizing in their minds, they are looking at Playboy magazine or watching a dancer on a strip pole. When they leave the strip club they go home to whomever is waiting for him. The problem comes in when she's not in the mood or has a headache, or whatever. If that continues, he will probably stray.
If I'm out with a man and he looks at another woman, I really don't care .... he's going home with me. As a woman, I put makeup on, a pretty dress for my own purpose but I also want someone to see how good I look. So the shoe is on the other foot when another man looks at me when I am with my own man.
Construction workers, farmers, blue collar workers of all entities are no more an alpha male then the corporate ceo. My son-in-law is very much a man. He doesn't like to do yard work, or paint or hammer and nail anything. He likes to read, bike ride, travel and is a vice president of the company he works for. The feminine side of a man is a plus in a true love relationship. Just because he doesn't pee in the garden or hang out in strip clubs it doesn't mean that he doesn't have a rough and tough side to him. An alpha male knows when to show his tough side or his feminine side...
moodyblues: I hear a lot about women wanting "sensitive and caring" men and I know exactly what you mean. But sometimes I think we are steadily emasculating our men. A man should be a man, otherwise I might as well live with a woman. Rough hands, strong shoulders, not too much interest in your period pains, no interest in your best friend's marital problems. I've seen men choosing crockery and curtains with their women. Really? Let men be men - let them piss in the yard and get drunk and go to the occassional strip club. A man will never fully understand your hormones and issues - as long as he gives you a pain pill and a cup of tea, get whatever else you need from your girl friends, sisters, daughters, mothers.
I dont think men should be forced to pick out doileys for a couch or real feminine things, but there is nothing wrong with a man being a "gentleman"...Letting a guy go piss on the front lawn in my opinion is not him acting like a man, it is telling him its ok to be a creep who has no manners at all... I think all humans can show some respect for each other, doesnt have to emasculate a man in the process.
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
moodyblues: That's not what I want at all. But I don't want someone to hear every single minisclue issue of my life either. If I'm in physical pain, give me a cup of tea. If I'm in emotional pain, give me a hug and kiss and leave me be. If I need his input I'll request it - but patting my back and asking me how I feel is useless to me. Again, different things for different people.
Apparently so!
Someone patting me on the head and handing me a cup of tea when I am sobbing,and then walking out the door sounds horrible to me.
maryrachelle: Apparently so!Someone patting me on the head and handing me a cup of tea when I am sobbing,and then walking out the door sounds horrible to me.
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
Godsgift: Sounds like a daddy your needing not a partner!
What kind of partner is not there for you when you need him?
When you are given terrible medical news and he pats you on the head,hands you a cup of tea and then tells you to talk to your mom about it,then what is the point in having that as a partner?
mnowsa: i don't pee in the yard, nor i get drunk. I don't go to strip club nor do i ask about period pains, but i like to believe that i am still hell of a man...
moodybluesOPCAPE TOWN, Western Cape South Africa210 posts
maryrachelle: What kind of partner is not there for you when you need him?
When you are given terrible medical news and he pats you on the head,hands you a cup of tea and then tells you to talk to your mom about it,then what is the point in having that as a partner?
That's a different scenario entirely. The problem is that a lot of women have endless "feelings" and "issues" and want a doctor rather than a man.
moodyblues: That's a different scenario entirely. The problem is that a lot of women have endless "feelings" and "issues" and want a doctor rather than a man.
Apparently you didn't see my post. That's okay, it happens all the time but I would have liked to get your opinion about it..
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Curtains are not deal breakers for me.
Oh, for shame, they're not that important to me.
Sharing, love, respect and negotiating those things equally, are a teeny weeny bit higher up on my list than lampshades.