Looks like the Republicans/Tea Baggers pissed off the very people they pledged to protect. One analyst thinks we're heading into a double dip recession. Way to go.
ooby_dooby: The DOW fell 265 points. A veritable sea of RED.
Looks like the Republicans/Tea Baggers pissed off the very people they pledged to protect. One analyst thinks we're heading into a double dip recession. Way to go.
You don't think it was that pathetic speech Obama gave today; build more bridges (union jobs), invest green jobs (his voter constituency), etc.
I'd suggest the markets may have reacted to only cutting 2 trillion over 10 years. (which will never be realized)
ooby_dooby: The DOW fell 265 points. A veritable sea of RED.
Looks like the Republicans/Tea Baggers pissed off the very people they pledged to protect. One analyst thinks we're heading into a double dip recession. Way to go.
Well, I suppose that means my 401K just well to hell in a hand basket. I'll have to work until I die, I guess.
ooby_dooby: The DOW fell 265 points. A veritable sea of RED.
Looks like the Republicans/Tea Baggers pissed off the very people they pledged to protect. One analyst thinks we're heading into a double dip recession. Way to go.
Your darn tootin' they WERE NOT! You ain't seen NOTHIN' YET!! Wait until the Government numbers of Unemployment numbers come out on this Friday...only 50,000 measley new jobs added...and STILL that National Unemployment number doesn't move an inch, from it's 9.2% level. Because everybody and their brother knows this number is doctored-up or cooked-up artificial number in real life and the real world to prop-up this clown residing in the White House!
The real world UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBER is 18%, we know it, they know, but only those totally naive and the main-stream media DOESN'T !!
hotburninluv: Your darn tootin' they WERE NOT! You ain't seen NOTHIN' YET!! Wait until the Government numbers of Unemployment numbers come out on this Friday...only 50,000 measley new jobs added...and STILL that National Unemployment number doesn't move an inch, from it's 9.2% level. Because everybody and their brother knows this number is doctored-up or cooked-up artificial number in real life and the real world to prop-up this clown residing in the White House!
The real world UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBER is 18%, we know it, they know, but only those totally naive and the main-stream media DOESN'T !!
I'll correct you. The main stream media knows it. They just won't give the information out because it will further hurt the Messiah's polling numbers. They're still in his back pocket.
outdoorgirlsun: Well, I suppose that means my 401K just well to hell in a hand basket. I'll have to work until I die, I guess.
Yes it did but I wouldn't panic just yet. Tomorrow the market will probably jump up. I didn't say I agreed with that guy predicting a double dip recession, in fact I think he's wrong but there's always someone around to supply the doom & gloom. Whenever something bad happens these people come out of the woodwork with absurd predictions. No matter what happens there's always somebody who predicted it right on the money. Trouble is, he was never right before and he'll never be right again. lolol
Yesterday was bad but today was much worse with the DOW plunging 512 points. I was like a kid in a candy store today snapping up corporate bond funds at bargain basement prices from dumb people who sell in a panic.
ooby_dooby: Yes it did but I wouldn't panic just yet. Tomorrow the market will probably jump up. I didn't say I agreed with that guy predicting a double dip recession, in fact I think he's wrong but there's always someone around to supply the doom & gloom. Whenever something bad happens these people come out of the woodwork with absurd predictions. No matter what happens there's always somebody who predicted it right on the money. Trouble is, he was never right before and he'll never be right again. lolol
I hope you're right. I Held during the gross sell-off today!
ooby_dooby: The DOW fell 265 points. A veritable sea of RED.
Looks like the Republicans/Tea Baggers pissed off the very people they pledged to protect. One analyst thinks we're heading into a double dip recession. Way to go.
This was long overdue. Obama have no power to stop it. QEx made things much worse. If they allowed the too big to fail, a great depression would have occurred and we would already start to recover like in the 30s. But this was everything happens slooooower and the crisis will be deeper.
The problem is wealth disparity. When in the US 1% owns around 70% wealth the 99% have very little money. In a healthy economy 1% owns 10% wealth. In 1929 they owned 40% and that was already too much.
If Obama taxed the rich, increased welfare and wages, the US would be already strong. But their policies increased wealth disparity even more. Hence the current crisis, which will last much longer than a day. This is a greater great depression in the making, with many countries defaulting around the world.
ooby_dooby: Yesterday was bad but today was much worse with the DOW plunging 512 points. I was like a kid in a candy store today snapping up corporate bond funds at bargain basement prices from dumb people who sell in a panic.
About ten years ago I was encouraged to buy municipal bonds with a small inheritance. Other options were offered, as well, and I chose a low-interest but guaranteed retirement pack instead. (The broker was OK with whatever, his commission remained the same, although he insisted that the municipal bonds were a "sure deal"). Well, they weren't, after all, as the voters axed measure after measure in that cluster of counties, so it seems my carefulness was for the best. Purchasing paper is a gamble, whether it is through a bank, credit union, or brokerage firm. Money can and does turn on you. There are no guarantees.
revealer24: This was long overdue. Obama have no power to stop it. QEx made things much worse. If they allowed the too big to fail, a great depression would have occurred and we would already start to recover like in the 30s. But this was everything happens slooooower and the crisis will be deeper.
The problem is wealth disparity. When in the US 1% owns around 70% wealth the 99% have very little money. In a healthy economy 1% owns 10% wealth. In 1929 they owned 40% and that was already too much.
If Obama taxed the rich, increased welfare and wages, the US would be already strong. But their policies increased wealth disparity even more. Hence the current crisis, which will last much longer than a day. This is a greater great depression in the making, with many countries defaulting around the world.
What's even worse is that 2% own 90-95% of the wealth. I'm beginning to think that Obama is the Repubs best friend. He bailed out the fat cats, didn't give a raise to SS recipients 2 years in a row, caved in to every demand of theirs. He's a weakling or a Repub in disguise. I would like to see the Dems get rid of him for someone else. Or better yet, a 3rd Party, and I don't mean teaparty.
galrads: I hope you're right. I Held during the gross sell-off today!
You are a strong man. I know it took guts to hold but you would be kicking yourself in a week or two if you bailled today. Tomorrow may be another house of pain with the jobs report which the talking heads figure wont be great.
The financial markets have changed from something that used to oil the wheels of industry and commerce and assist global finance working, to a risk, an inhibitor and something downright dangerous.
Anyone who lays this at the door of the 2007/8 'crashes' Obama or whoever/whatever without looking at the history of it is deluding themselves.
The rapid growth, sophistication and speed of financial analysis software and communications, since the 1960s has led to small flutters turning into whirlwinds, bad practice being emulated on a global basis and short-termism being paramount.
There is a major 'lemming' mentality and some of the rationale behind it - would be totally illogical to an educated 16 year old. The Internet 'bubble', the expectations of continued and exponential mobile phone purchase and usage growth in the UK - when the market was at near 'saturation' are just 2 examples from pre 2007. The movements and behaviour around Sovereign Debt defies logic too.
I suspect that we will see some changes - the way the bond markets are working is against the interests of the major 'players' - including the USA, China, India and Euro-zone. Those in charge will not let 'the tail wag the dog' for unduly long.
rohaan: About ten years ago I was encouraged to buy municipal bonds with a small inheritance. Other options were offered, as well, and I chose a low-interest but guaranteed retirement pack instead. (The broker was OK with whatever, his commission remained the same, although he insisted that the municipal bonds were a "sure deal"). Well, they weren't, after all, as the voters axed measure after measure in that cluster of counties, so it seems my carefulness was for the best. Purchasing paper is a gamble, whether it is through a bank, credit union, or brokerage firm. Money can and does turn on you. There are no guarantees.
I did really well trading Munis before the recession. I had a system that worked like a charm. Once the recession hit my system wouldn't work anymore so I was forced to totally abandon it. If the economy ever gets back to some level of normalcy my system may work again but I don't expect that to happen for several years, if ever. Munis are good if you're in a high tax bracket and you need the tax free dividends. There are higher paying CEF's (Closed End Funds) if you don't mind paying the tax on the divs.
You are a strong man. I know it took guts to hold but you would be kicking yourself in a week or two if you bailled today. Tomorrow may be another house of pain with the jobs report which the talking heads figure wont be great.[/quote]
I forget, is this recovery summer...or was that last year?
Dadude62: What's even worse is that 2% own 90-95% of the wealth. I'm beginning to think that Obama is the Repubs best friend. He bailed out the fat cats, didn't give a raise to SS recipients 2 years in a row, caved in to every demand of theirs. He's a weakling or a Repub in disguise. I would like to see the Dems get rid of him for someone else. Or better yet, a 3rd Party, and I don't mean teaparty.
Oh, let's give your post more "color"... let's say 1 person owns all the wealth.
Dadude62: What's even worse is that 2% own 90-95% of the wealth. I'm beginning to think that Obama is the Repubs best friend. He bailed out the fat cats, didn't give a raise to SS recipients 2 years in a row, caved in to every demand of theirs. He's a weakling or a Repub in disguise. I would like to see the Dems get rid of him for someone else. Or better yet, a 3rd Party, and I don't mean teaparty.
I have to agree with a lot of what you said. As to the COLA (Cost Of Living Adjustment) built into Social Security, this was left untouched for the last 2? years, because whoever measures the cost of living determined no COLA was needed because the cost of living didn't go up in that time.
ooby_dooby: I have to agree with a lot of what you said. As to the COLA (Cost Of Living Adjustment) built into Social Security, this was left untouched for the last 2? years, because whoever measures the cost of living determined no COLA was needed because the cost of living didn't go up in that time.
I believe the COLA formula intentionally does not include necessities like the cost for food, transportation and health. Go figure? Or should I quote the master's recent optimism..... Woebama said, "I didn't say "Change we can believe in tomorrow."" What a guy.... Woebama is everyones hero
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Looks like the Republicans/Tea Baggers pissed off the very people they pledged to protect. One analyst thinks we're heading into a double dip recession. Way to go.