A Troubled Friendship ( Archived) (33)

Jun 6, 2012 5:48 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
Hi everyone. Just wanting everybody's feedback on a friendship that is as dizzying as an out-of-control carousel. I have known a lady for almost 20 years. So much of the time we are so comfortable with who each other is it keeps the relationship going and flowing. And, she's someone to talk to at length, which helps us both with those lonliness blues that rear up from time to time. Here's the story: She moved to another state and is having problem after problem with housing situations. She had a splendid opportunity--the home owner was away much of the time, she had her own room with bath, a storage area, full use of the kitchen and outdoor pool and patio area. Problem was she spread herself all over, taking advantage of rooms that didn't belong to her, etc... Of course he didn't like it at length, and not only asked her to leave but reimbursed her the money just to get her out. I was a namby pamby and let her ramble on about it on the phone. The next shared housing went far worse--she got herself into a legal hassle with that home-owner, another woman. Again, I was not honest. (She hangs up when one doesn't agree, anyhow). Now, she is in another bad housing situation. To boot, she brings dogs and cats into the rental agreement, amazingly even finding such opportunities. She does not get that it is difficult to do so. She brushes everyone off as being crazy if they do not tolerate her shenanigans. Just before I went into the hospital, she called and told me of another rental agreement she is contemplating. The rent is very fair for the area. However, she found out how much the actual payment is, and thinks she can hound him down to half of his payment, and wondered if I thought that was a good idea. I was truthful ("No") and when she persisted in trying to twist my arm to agree with her, I wouldn't. She hung up on me in mid-sentence. This is not the first time, but may be the last. She is quite nasty to me at times; I have overlooked it. Just wondering what some of you might think of all this. Thank you.
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Jun 6, 2012 6:01 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
Sounds like you should be glad she's moved to another state and not trying to home share with you!! rolling on the floor laughing

sounds like the "friendship" could be running out of steam because you are setting healthy bounderies for yourself at last (may be) hug
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Jun 6, 2012 6:07 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
EagleWoman: Sounds like you should be glad she's moved to another state and not trying to home share with you!!

sounds like the "friendship" could be running out of steam because you are setting healthy bounderies for yourself at last (may be)
thumbs up That was very nice of you. I had forfeited a bit of character (honesty about how I felt) for the sake of somebody to talk to. It was unhealthy. I still pray for her, and hope she will come to understand that people cannot be so easily discarded. I am thinking she probably knows deep inside that something needs to change. I mean, she's had so many negative experiences with being a house sharer, even when it has been HER house. She doesn't have the financial ability to screw around about it, either. (In order to live reasonably, she MUST share). Perhaps necessity will be a better teacher than any person could be.
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Jun 6, 2012 6:09 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
My idea of having a good, close friendship with someone, is that you can say whatever you want to and they listen, they don't have to agree or like what you say. And that goes both ways.

That's not happening there.
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Jun 6, 2012 6:10 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
Oh Rohaan! It sounds sad that you've had to walk on eggshells just to be her friend. Real friends don't treat each other like that. We respect each others advice and if we don't like it we don't take it. I hate this word but it sounds like you are her 'doormat'.

I think it's time to let her go as a friend. But that is up to you. Good luck sweetie!

teddybear
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Jun 6, 2012 6:12 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
rohaan: That was very nice of you. I had forfeited a bit of character (honesty about how I felt) for the sake of somebody to talk to. It was unhealthy. I still pray for her, and hope she will come to understand that people cannot be so easily discarded. I am thinking she probably knows deep inside that something needs to change. I mean, she's had so many negative experiences with being a house sharer, even when it has been HER house. She doesn't have the financial ability to screw around about it, either. (In order to live reasonably, she MUST share). Perhaps necessity will be a better teacher than any person could be.


I see nothing wrong with anything you have done Rohaan.

What I want from a friend is to tell me the truth. It may not necessarily be what I want to hear but if it's from someone I respect and love I will take it on board.
Am afraid some people need to make their own mistakes regardless of any advice you have given.

cheers
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Jun 6, 2012 6:13 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
almera03: My idea of having a good, close friendship with someone, is that you can say whatever you want to and they listen, they don't have to agree or like what you say. And that goes both ways.

That's not happening there.
frustrated Okay. I'm awake now. Thanks. I cannot allow this negative relationship to continue.
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Jun 6, 2012 6:16 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
almera03
almera03almera03portsmouth, Hampshire, England UK11 Threads 3,913 Posts
rohaan: Okay. I'm awake now. Thanks. I cannot allow this negative relationship to continue.
Its not a healthy one for you to be in.

good luck Bud cheers
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Jun 6, 2012 6:59 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
rohaan: That was very nice of you. I had forfeited a bit of character (honesty about how I felt) for the sake of somebody to talk to. It was unhealthy. I still pray for her, and hope she will come to understand that people cannot be so easily discarded. I am thinking she probably knows deep inside that something needs to change. I mean, she's had so many negative experiences with being a house sharer, even when it has been HER house. She doesn't have the financial ability to screw around about it, either. (In order to live reasonably, she MUST share). Perhaps necessity will be a better teacher than any person could be.


May be she will, may be she won't ... dunno

You don't have to forfeit her friendship though. I've found that "friends" who like to boss you around, are a bit agressive, controlling, bullying type of people, go find somewhere else "to play" when you set healthy bounderies for yourself. The frienship can remain and can become healthier. You harvest what you sow. If you sow kindness but within firm bounderies that is what you will have around you.

hug
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Jun 6, 2012 8:26 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
montemonte
montemontemontemonteunknown, New Jersey USA114 Threads 4 Polls 5,631 Posts
rivame: Maybe just set the friendship straight with her....

let her know you will no longer keep quiet if her behaviour is not what it should be.....

and stress to her that unless she allows this healthier friendship to develope then you are left with no choice but to end it.

good luck


I would suggest having one last talk with her and telling her what you think of the friendship....how she uses you....how she disses you and how disrespectful she is to you.

If you aren't as honest with her as you were with us the talk won't be beneficial.

Definitely a time to use tough love.wave
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Jun 6, 2012 11:13 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
hiya rohann, wave

i just went through a similar situation with a very close friend of over 25 years.

things change, people change...the constant...there is always change.

rather than blaming, or just walking away, we agreed to have a conversation at a mutually convenient time.

we took turns, listened, made no judgements and did no blaming.
we just listened to each other.
we kept it short, under an hour for our meeting.

and we were able to tell each other we love each other very much..but we are both frustrated right now with our relationship.

we decided we would take a break and revisit down the road...give ourselves some time...put the emphasis on the importance of our relationship, and agreed we both have stuff going on in our lives and it would be better to just take a break rather than burning any bridges.
we also reiterated to each other, that if there was an emergency or crisis for either of us, we would still have each others' backs.

it's not a perfect world, and some imperfections are worth keeping.
this way we both know the love is still there..
and we can return to it at a later date.

right now we are both enjoying the break...lol
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Jun 7, 2012 12:41 AM CST A Troubled Friendship
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
rohaan: Hi everyone. Just wanting everybody's feedback on a friendship that is as dizzying as an out-of-control carousel. I have known a lady for almost 20 years. So much of the time we are so comfortable with who each other is it keeps the relationship going and flowing. And, she's someone to talk to at length, which helps us both with those lonliness blues that rear up from time to time. Here's the story: She moved to another state and is having problem after problem with housing situations. She had a splendid opportunity--the home owner was away much of the time, she had her own room with bath, a storage area, full use of the kitchen and outdoor pool and patio area. Problem was she spread herself all over, taking advantage of rooms that didn't belong to her, etc... Of course he didn't like it at length, and not only asked her to leave but reimbursed her the money just to get her out. I was a namby pamby and let her ramble on about it on the phone. The next shared housing went far worse--she got herself into a legal hassle with that home-owner, another woman. Again, I was not honest. (She hangs up when one doesn't agree, anyhow). Now, she is in another bad housing situation. To boot, she brings dogs and cats into the rental agreement, amazingly even finding such opportunities. She does not get that it is difficult to do so. She brushes everyone off as being crazy if they do not tolerate her shenanigans. Just before I went into the hospital, she called and told me of another rental agreement she is contemplating. The rent is very fair for the area. However, she found out how much the actual payment is, and thinks she can hound him down to half of his payment, and wondered if I thought that was a good idea. I was truthful ("No") and when she persisted in trying to twist my arm to agree with her, I wouldn't. She hung up on me in mid-sentence. This is not the first time, but may be the last. She is quite nasty to me at times; I have overlooked it. Just wondering what some of you might think of all this. Thank you.

She needs to build her own house ...
PS:even friends are humans,therefore imperfect ...laugh
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Jun 7, 2012 1:12 AM CST A Troubled Friendship
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
From your Green Flags,you have gone to the Red one's.Obviously your friend unstable,and if it was myself,what you have been through,without hesitation, i could of tell her, F.. Off.-
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Jun 7, 2012 7:06 AM CST A Troubled Friendship
your title says it all - it is truly a troubled friendship.

Sometimes when our friends ask our opinion they are not really asking for our advice.

Does longevity of knowing someone really make them our friend?
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Jun 7, 2012 2:11 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
My sisters life is like this and it sucks the life force out of me.
Friends are far and few between, drama begets drama.
Helping her out is costing me my emotional balance.
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Jun 7, 2012 9:48 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
notforyou
notforyounotforyouDublin, Ireland7 Posts
she sounds like a woman who is not happy in herself and when she hears negativity then she doesnt know how to handle it so not dealing with it is the best option. Im sure she does love you s a friend and respect you and i think you know that to some extent otherwise you would not have put up this post.
I find that sometimes when people can be hard to speak to cause they shut down maybe find a different way of communicating with them. Maybe write a letter and email saying that you will always be there for her as a friend but also stating your concerns for her and that all you want is for her to be happy and that you do not mean to offend her but help her because she is your friend. This will give her time to think and reflect take things in and really see where you are coming from. It will also cut out the heightened emotions and reactions we can have when talking to someone.
If she is still nasty after then atleast you know you tried but i have a feeling her nastiness is coming from her unhappiness in her life right now
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Jun 7, 2012 10:34 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
I would not judge your freind because we really only have one POV, but ro if YOU are not hwppy in the friendship take a break
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Jun 26, 2012 4:21 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
notforyou: she sounds like a woman who is not happy in herself and when she hears negativity then she doesnt know how to handle it so not dealing with it is the best option. Im sure she does love you s a friend and respect you and i think you know that to some extent otherwise you would not have put up this post.
I find that sometimes when people can be hard to speak to cause they shut down maybe find a different way of communicating with them. Maybe write a letter and email saying that you will always be there for her as a friend but also stating your concerns for her and that all you want is for her to be happy and that you do not mean to offend her but help her because she is your friend. This will give her time to think and reflect take things in and really see where you are coming from. It will also cut out the heightened emotions and reactions we can have when talking to someone.
If she is still nasty after then atleast you know you tried but i have a feeling her nastiness is coming from her unhappiness in her life right now
Sent the e-mail. She fired me as her friend. (s'ok. it was wearing me out. God knows I did try---) Thanks everyone. hug
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Jun 26, 2012 6:31 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
rohaan: Sent the e-mail. She fired me as her friend. (s'ok. it was wearing me out. God knows I did try---) Thanks everyone.


And now theres room in your heart for something more positive bouquet
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Jun 26, 2012 6:46 PM CST A Troubled Friendship
Happygolucky4u
Happygolucky4uHappygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
rohaan: Sent the e-mail. She fired me as her friend. (s'ok. it was wearing me out. God knows I did try---) Thanks everyone.
This is the first time I have seen this thread Ro. I call friends like that emotional vampires......they will wear a person out if they try and be their friend. Just wanted to pop in and give you a hug hug
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