Delusions (61)

Jun 15, 2012 8:03 AM CST Delusions
gleneagle
gleneaglegleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 Posts
As I contemplate the state of Ireland in 2012 I can't help wondering have we in Ireland got a perception of ourselves that's not based in reality.
I allude to the following recent events.
74% of people thought we would get a positive result against Spain in the football and were mad at Keano for saying it like he seen it

40% voted against a stability treaty that would prevent Governments overspending. 50% of people didnt give a dam either way and didn't vote. I suppose that would allow them to complain no matter what happened.

Colm Mc Carthy a few years ago submitted a report that highlighted the cuts that needed to be made in Ireland to make us competitive and was rounded on by all sections of society.

The left think that our problems will be solved by voting against everything European whilst embracing the high welfare that wealth created from being within EU has allowed us to have compared to Ireland up to the 1970's.

There are men and women on these sites who are in denial of their own neurosis or are adept at disguising it and continue to believe they will find a compatible partner on CS that eluded them in the real world. They love to preach about the shortcomings of others especially the defects that they perceive they are free of because this gives them a sense of superiority.

ESRI analyst forced to resign because he told a truth that was not liked by his superiors who didn't want to piss off the Government.
Funding might be reduced if the Government was embarrassed.

People purchased houses that was beyond their means during the boom and now they expect that part of their debt should be forgiven.

Some families I know think hardship will be having to give up a holiday or the second car.

Public servants think they have a divine right to 33% more wages than the private sector and work practices that would have made Karl Marx proud. A Croke Park agreement that is putting critical services at risk.

20% of farmers are getting 80% of EU subsidies and the majority do very well despite the rhetoric in the print and media.

There are a small section of Irish society (18-65) who through no physical or mental impairment haven't worked, avoid work and are in dread of the fact that some day they might be forced to or lose benefits. They are the true parasites.

Oh finally we have a million people living in the north eastern part of Ireland who think their British even though many have never set foot in Britain and speak with an Irish accent and support an Irish Rugby team and some take their holidays in places where native Irish is the first language.

I rest my case.




sad flower
Jun 15, 2012 8:10 AM CST Delusions
Green_Sleeves
Green_SleevesGreen_SleevesCarlow, Ireland174 Threads 37 Polls 4,812 Posts
Dont forget the Eurovision, its it god given right to WIN that competition, its OURS we won it so many times!!! frustrated


When inevitably we dont we get p'ed off and pull out the old 'bloody eartern block voting!!' when in reality we sent some talent show winners, a turkey and a couple of 'go team America!' kids doh laugh


Should make for an interesting tread all the same popcorn
Jun 15, 2012 8:19 AM CST Delusions
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim Ireland274 Threads 65 Polls 6,948 Posts
Glen why don't you farmers organise better and use the french model. After all wee while back we used their the basis for their revolution for our rebellion. I'll give credit were due, the french have some purpose.

The only thing wrong with france is the French.
Jun 15, 2012 8:22 AM CST Delusions
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
Phoenix: Glen why don't you farmers organise better and use the french model. After all wee while back we used their the basis for their revolution for our rebellion. I'll give credit were due, the french have some purpose.

The only thing wrong with france is the French.

Won't work here in Ireland, you have a way bigger population there.
90% of dairy products, 80% of beef and 60% of sheep meat are exported. So you can't do too much direct selling here. But it could work as a niche product and there are some great Irish food producers / companies around.
Jun 15, 2012 8:46 AM CST Delusions
gleneagle
gleneaglegleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 Posts
Phoenix: Glen why don't you farmers organise better and use the french model. After all wee while back we used their the basis for their revolution for our rebellion. I'll give credit were due, the french have some purpose.

The only thing wrong with france is the French.
I was having a gripe at large farmers who could make an independent living getting subsidies based on acreage which puts the small part time farmer like me at a disadvantage.
Jun 15, 2012 9:42 AM CST Delusions
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
gleneagle: As I contemplate the state of Ireland in 2012 I can't help wondering have we in Ireland got a perception of ourselves that's not based in reality.
I allude to the following recent events.
74% of people thought we would get a positive result against Spain in the football and were mad at Keano for saying it like he seen it

40% voted against a stability treaty that would prevent Governments overspending. 50% of people didnt give a dam either way and didn't vote. I suppose that would allow them to complain no matter what happened.

Colm Mc Carthy a few years ago submitted a report that highlighted the cuts that needed to be made in Ireland to make us competitive and was rounded on by all sections of society.

The left think that our problems will be solved by voting against everything European whilst embracing the high welfare that wealth created from being within EU has allowed us to have compared to Ireland up to the 1970's.

There are men and women on these sites who are in denial of their own neurosis or are adept at disguising it and continue to believe they will find a compatible partner on CS that eluded them in the real world. They love to preach about the shortcomings of others especially the defects that they perceive they are free of because this gives them a sense of superiority.

ESRI analyst forced to resign because he told a truth that was not liked by his superiors who didn't want to piss off the Government.
Funding might be reduced if the Government was embarrassed.

People purchased houses that was beyond their means during the boom and now they expect that part of their debt should be forgiven.

Some families I know think hardship will be having to give up a holiday or the second car.

Public servants think they have a divine right to 33% more wages than the private sector and work practices that would have made Karl Marx proud. A Croke Park agreement that is putting critical services at risk.

20% of farmers are getting 80% of EU subsidies and the majority do very well despite the rhetoric in the print and media.

There are a small section of Irish society (18-65) who through no physical or mental impairment haven't worked, avoid work and are in dread of the fact that some day they might be forced to or lose benefits. They are the true parasites.

Oh finally we have a million people living in the north eastern part of Ireland who think their British even though many have never set foot in Britain and speak with an Irish accent and support an Irish Rugby team and some take their holidays in places where native Irish is the first language.

I rest my case.



Well ikt seems like you have a inflated view of yourself because a lot of above is in YOUR OPINION delusional. And argument can be made against everything you say up above but because that argument would go against YOUR OPIONION you think its delusional!

Maybe look at your own inflated view of yourself and your opinions before starting on Irish society. roll eyes
Jun 15, 2012 9:51 AM CST Delusions
gleneagle
gleneaglegleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 Posts
sofarsogood74: Well ikt seems like you have a inflated view of yourself because a lot of above is in YOUR OPINION delusional. And argument can be made against everything you say up above but because that argument would go against YOUR OPIONION you think its delusional!

Maybe look at your own inflated view of yourself and your opinions before starting on Irish society.
You really should get professional help my enigmatic friend, you who are a contradiction wrapped in an enigma.
Since when did facts become dellusions?
Jun 15, 2012 9:57 AM CST Delusions
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
gleneagle: You really should get professional help my enigmatic friend, you who are a contradiction wrapped in an enigma.
Since when did facts become dellusions?


But you are calling people delusional for voting No in a referendum???
You are calling people delusional for being optimistic about a football game???
You are calling people delusional on the left who have a different political stance and opinion to you???

Do you even know what delusional means??? You basically gave a rant about people with different opinions on different subjects and called them delusional!!!


And this is from a man who calls himself a Republican but does not mind signing over any amount of power to Europ as long as it saves him a few bob!!!!rolling on the floor laughing

Who is the delusional one!laugh
Jun 15, 2012 10:38 AM CST Delusions
gleneagle: As I contemplate the state of Ireland in 2012 I can't help wondering have we in Ireland got a perception of ourselves that's not based in reality.
I allude to the following recent events.
74% of people thought we would get a positive result against Spain in the football and were mad at Keano for saying it like he seen it

40% voted against a stability treaty that would prevent Governments overspending. 50% of people didnt give a dam either way and didn't vote. I suppose that would allow them to complain no matter what happened.

Colm Mc Carthy a few years ago submitted a report that highlighted the cuts that needed to be made in Ireland to make us competitive and was rounded on by all sections of society.

The left think that our problems will be solved by voting against everything European whilst embracing the high welfare that wealth created from being within EU has allowed us to have compared to Ireland up to the 1970's.

There are men and women on these sites who are in denial of their own neurosis or are adept at disguising it and continue to believe they will find a compatible partner on CS that eluded them in the real world. They love to preach about the shortcomings of others especially the defects that they perceive they are free of because this gives them a sense of superiority.

ESRI analyst forced to resign because he told a truth that was not liked by his superiors who didn't want to piss off the Government.
Funding might be reduced if the Government was embarrassed.

People purchased houses that was beyond their means during the boom and now they expect that part of their debt should be forgiven.

Some families I know think hardship will be having to give up a holiday or the second car.

Public servants think they have a divine right to 33% more wages than the private sector and work practices that would have made Karl Marx proud. A Croke Park agreement that is putting critical services at risk.

20% of farmers are getting 80% of EU subsidies and the majority do very well despite the rhetoric in the print and media.

There are a small section of Irish society (18-65) who through no physical or mental impairment haven't worked, avoid work and are in dread of the fact that some day they might be forced to or lose benefits. They are the true parasites.

Oh finally we have a million people living in the north eastern part of Ireland who think their British even though many have never set foot in Britain and speak with an Irish accent and support an Irish Rugby team and some take their holidays in places where native Irish is the first language.

I rest my case.



Just to correct your last point. The million people you refer to are in fact British. They have been born and live their whole lives in the British state.

Some people are so delusional they think that there has to be only one state on the island of Ireland, for no other reason than it is an island! In other words they think the sea defines a border between countries. This delusion is far more dangerous than any of the ones you mention.
Jun 15, 2012 10:44 AM CST Delusions
skyblue43
skyblue43skyblue43Dublin, Meath Ireland30 Threads 1 Polls 5,980 Posts
snowlynx: Just to correct your last point. The million people you refer to are in fact British. They have been born and live their whole lives in the British state.

Some people are so delusional they think that there has to be only one state on the island of Ireland, for no other reason than it is an island! In other words they think the sea defines a border between countries. This delusion is far more dangerous than any of the ones you mention.


To the best of my knowledge they live in what some of them like to call the United Kingdom...or to give it its full title The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Britain is an entity comprising of England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland has NEVER been part of Britain.
Jun 15, 2012 10:46 AM CST Delusions
skyblue43: To the best of my knowledge they live in what some of them like to call the United Kingdom...or to give it its full title The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Britain is an entity comprising of England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland has NEVER been part of Britain.



True, but you know what I mean?
Jun 15, 2012 10:51 AM CST Delusions
skyblue43
skyblue43skyblue43Dublin, Meath Ireland30 Threads 1 Polls 5,980 Posts
snowlynx: True, but you know what I mean?


I know what you want it to mean but it's simply untrue. People from the 6 counties are Northern Irish or Irish as they choose. But they have not been, are not and never will be British.
Jun 15, 2012 10:55 AM CST Delusions
skyblue43: I know what you want it to mean but it's simply untrue. People from the 6 counties are Northern Irish or Irish as they choose. But they have not been, are not and never will be British.


They are part of the British state. The name of the state is Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Someone from there is British, just like someone from England Scotland or Wales , British.

They have equal representation at Westminister as England Scotland and Wales.
Jun 15, 2012 11:01 AM CST Delusions
skyblue43
skyblue43skyblue43Dublin, Meath Ireland30 Threads 1 Polls 5,980 Posts
snowlynx: They are part of the British state. The name of the state is Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Someone from there is British, just like someone from England Scotland or Wales , British.

They have equal representation at Westminister as England Scotland and Wales.


There is no such thing as a British state...It's the UK. Britain is an island not a state. I will repeat, someone from there is NOT British like someone from England, Scotland or Wales. Neither are those from the Isle of Man considered to be British.
Jun 15, 2012 11:07 AM CST Delusions
skyblue43: There is no such thing as a British state...It's the UK. Britain is an island not a state. I will repeat, someone from there is NOT British like someone from England, Scotland or Wales. Neither are those from the Isle of Man considered to be British.



Well they can hardly call themselves UK'ish! Again it's all a bit pedandtic, you are what you believe yourself to be, if you say you are Irish you are, if you say you are British you are.
What I was really doing was pointing out Gleneagle's delusion that he seems to think he has some claim over what they call themselves, as if someone in one country has a right to insist on what people in another country call themselves.
Jun 15, 2012 11:10 AM CST Delusions
skyblue43
skyblue43skyblue43Dublin, Meath Ireland30 Threads 1 Polls 5,980 Posts
snowlynx: Well they can hardly call themselves UK'ish! Again it's all a bit pedandtic, you are what you believe yourself to be, if you say you are Irish you are, if you say you are British you are.
What I was really doing was pointing out Gleneagle's delusion that he seems to think he has some claim over what they call themselves, as if someone in one country has a right to insist on what people in another country call themselves.


Your only have a right if it's true. I can call myself a Galwegian until the cows come home but I'm still a Dub (a proud one). They can call themselves British but that is delusional as they are in fact Northern Irish..
Jun 15, 2012 11:11 AM CST Delusions
snowlynx: Well they can hardly call themselves UK'ish! Again it's all a bit pedandtic, you are what you believe yourself to be, if you say you are Irish you are, if you say you are British you are.
What I was really doing was pointing out Gleneagle's delusion that he seems to think he has some claim over what they call themselves, as if someone in one country has a right to insist on what people in another country call themselves.


well most unionists in the North would identify themselves as British not northern Irish so you are right on that point
Jun 15, 2012 11:12 AM CST Delusions
snowlynx: Well they can hardly call themselves UK'ish! Again it's all a bit pedandtic, you are what you believe yourself to be, if you say you are Irish you are, if you say you are British you are.
What I was really doing was pointing out Gleneagle's delusion that he seems to think he has some claim over what they call themselves, as if someone in one country has a right to insist on what people in another country call themselves.

Not to continue the spiral to semantics, but I think there is a large part of the Unionist Tradition that identify themselves as Northern Irish.
Jun 15, 2012 11:22 AM CST Delusions
MarsMan
MarsManMarsManBobbing along, Cork Ireland29 Threads 8 Polls 981 Posts
Seems there are a few people who have illusions about their delusions.
Jun 15, 2012 11:36 AM CST Delusions
skyblue43: Support?? He is stating that they identify themselves as British...I'm just saying that they are not...no matter what they want to call themselves. Its that simple...I'm not a Corkonian...they're not British...end of.



It's not the same as your Cork comparison, you have no connection to Cork (as far as I know), but the northern Irish are governed from Westminister and culturally identify as British (not all of them of course).
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