Republicans kill prison officer .. (201)
sharmini: Are you for real?
Yep, absolutely. Probably would only have had to be temporary, until the people there were controlled.
snowlynx: They should have put Belfast on Lockdown, a curfew of sorts, just like the Israelis do with the Gaza strip. That would have prevented terrorist activity and the savages who killed those two unfortunate British corporals.
Snowy fast foward this video to 1min and watch & listen (one day watch all three).
What is that about savages again. What savages are you refering to?
Phoenix: Snowy fast foward this video to 1min and watch & listen (one day watch all three).
What is that about savages again. What savages are you refering to?
What is that about savages again. What savages are you refering to?
I'm referring to the savages who killed the British corporals.
Just to clarify I won't be watching anything you post in your replies...it's nothing personal, Sharmini is always posting links and I never watch those either lol (sorry Shar).
If you have a point to make you can make it in words, the old fashioned way and no matter what it is I'll reply (also in words).
Phoenix: Snowy without clicking on the links can you understand from what I said and the differences between anti agreement republicans, dissident republicans and phyiscal force republicans. Don't put all republicans in to the same hat. And don't lay the problem in the o6c at the door of All republicans.
And unlike you I don't have a hierarchy in someone getting killed or what the definition of the word savage means.
And unlike you I don't have a hierarchy in someone getting killed or what the definition of the word savage means.
I don't have a hierarchy either, just a difference between innocent victims and guilty victims, unlike you I prefer to see the guilty party getting killed rather than the innocent.
So this was yet another IRA? How many of them are there now?
Now that what I call IRA wolume 43 should be along anytime soon
Now that what I call IRA wolume 43 should be along anytime soon
snowlynx: I don't have a hierarchy either, just a difference between innocent victims and guilty victims, unlike you I prefer to see the guilty party getting killed rather than the innocent.
snowlynx: Innocent Victims and guilty victims....
snowlynx: I don't have a hierarchy either,
snowlynx:
unlike you I prefer to see the guilty party getting killed
unlike you I prefer to see the guilty party getting killed
So you want to see people killed? I have never once said I would like to have anybody killed. You have more than once.
Phoenix: So you want to see people killed? I have never once said I would like to have anybody killed. You have more than once.
There's only one group in NI at the moment killing people...and it's you who support them, not me!
snowlynx: There's only one group in NI at the moment killing people...and it's you who support them, not me!
I'm going to assume you know exactly what you are talking about.
I know at least two groups who have killed people in the o6c with in the last three weeks. Read the thread snowy. I've already said that OHN are being held responsible for killing Danny McKay and that the newly formed IRA killed David Black. That makes two groups who have killed very recently.
Anyone who even reads the last two pages of this thread will learn one thing at least. And that is I have a better grasp of whats happening or has happened in the past than you have.
Phoenix:
Anyone who even reads the last two pages of this thread will learn one thing at least. And that is I have a better grasp of whats happening or has happened in the past than you have.
Anyone who even reads the last two pages of this thread will learn one thing at least. And that is I have a better grasp of whats happening or has happened in the past than you have.
The YOU was solely directed at snowlynx.
Phoenix: I'm going to assume you know exactly what you are talking about.
I know at least two groups who have killed people in the o6c with in the last three weeks. Read the thread snowy. I've already said that OHN are being held responsible for killing Danny McKay and that the newly formed IRA killed David Black. That makes two groups who have killed very recently.
Anyone who even reads the last two pages of this thread will learn one thing at least. And that is I have a better grasp of whats happening or has happened in the past than you have.
I know at least two groups who have killed people in the o6c with in the last three weeks. Read the thread snowy. I've already said that OHN are being held responsible for killing Danny McKay and that the newly formed IRA killed David Black. That makes two groups who have killed very recently.
Anyone who even reads the last two pages of this thread will learn one thing at least. And that is I have a better grasp of whats happening or has happened in the past than you have.
When I say one group I mean of course the dissident republicans, whatever they call themselves and how many separate groups of them exist.
They all have one thing in common, they want to drag us back to the dark days of the troubles of the seventies and eighties.
snowlynx: When I say one group I mean of course the dissident republicans, whatever they call themselves and how many separate groups of them exist.
They all have one thing in common, they want to drag us back to the dark days of the troubles of the seventies and eighties.
They all have one thing in common, they want to drag us back to the dark days of the troubles of the seventies and eighties.
Snowy go back to here and read what I said....
I've already posted it twice. SF as I have shown, if you ever read what I said or bothered to click on any of the links I've posted are the dissident republican group. There are at least two groups connected to killings (not group as you think) and they belong to phyiscal force republicanism.
I'll hazzard a guess and say this..Scrib leans more to calling him self an anti agreement republican. Snowy does that mean scrib is a 'dissident'!!!!
facetowardsfront: So this was yet another IRA? How many of them are there now?
New as in newly formed. Yes. New as 3 or 4 people calling themselves the IRA. No.
"The new group's statement said it had "a responsibility to protect and defend" its imprisoned members. It described the Black killing as a direct response to "the degradation" of prison strip-searching.
The three groups that now constitute the self-styled IRA faction are the Real IRA, Republican Action Against Drugs and Oglaigh na hEireann, the Gaelic equivalent of "IRA."
The only thing wrong in the report is ONH are not part of the IRA (it was independant republicans...Lone wolfs). They (ONH) are a seperate organisation. Same as the CIRA. There are three main phyiscal force republican groups (IRA, ONH, CIRA).
facetowardsfront: Now that what I call IRA wolume 43 should be along anytime soon
Just in time for christmas...
Phoenix: New as in newly formed. Yes. New as 3 or 4 people calling themselves the IRA
I suppose there were always a lot of factions at work. It seems they are all sticking roughly to the position Sinn Fein/IRA (sorry if that's the way the loyalists put it but just to be clear) used to hold when they were after a '32 county socialist republic' and 'not a bullet, not an ounce' merchants.
It's a pity socialism seems to be at the heart of most of them as far as I can see. I would think O'Bradaighs CIRA would be more traditionalist?
facetowardsfront: I suppose there were always a lot of factions at work. It seems they are all sticking roughly to the position Sinn Fein/IRA (sorry if that's the way the loyalists put it but just to be clear) used to hold when they were after a '32 county socialist republic' and 'not a bullet, not an ounce' merchants.
There's probably no more or less 'factions at work' than around the time leading up to the 1916 rising. I can't see any PFR group (phyiscal force..) ever again surrendering their arms.
facetowardsfront: It's a pity socialism seems to be at the heart of most of them as far as I can see. I would think O'Bradaighs CIRA would be more traditionalist?
Socialism is at the heart of the problem for republicans today (JMO). Maybe people didn't pay close attention to Marx or didn't understand him fully..maybe some people need to read him again. Face I reckon your right socialism is at the heart of the matter.
Are RSF more traditionalists. Yes. But the CIRA are not RSF's private army. Are there people within CIRA who's political beliefs lean more towards RSF than say eirigi. Yes. Thats all it means. Same for any of the 'factions'.
facetowardsfront: I suppose there were always a lot of factions at work. It seems they are all sticking roughly to the position Sinn Fein/IRA (sorry if that's the way the loyalists put it but just to be clear) used to hold when they were after a '32 county socialist republic' and 'not a bullet, not an ounce' merchants.
It's a pity socialism seems to be at the heart of most of them as far as I can see. I would think O'Bradaighs CIRA would be more traditionalist?
It's a pity socialism seems to be at the heart of most of them as far as I can see. I would think O'Bradaighs CIRA would be more traditionalist?
No, socialism is not the problem. Most socialists are peaceful and democratic.
The problem with dissident republicans is that they think they are right, everyone else is wrong, and if you don't give us what we want we will keep hitting you until we get it.
They are steeped in victimhood, which means that anything they do is ok, no matter how bad, because the enemy did something worse to them once.
snowlynx: No, socialism is not the problem. Most socialists are peaceful and democratic.
The problem with dissident republicans is that they think they are right, everyone else is wrong, and if you don't give us what we want we will keep hitting you until we get it.
They are steeped in victimhood, which means that anything they do is ok, no matter how bad, because the enemy did something worse to them once.
The problem with dissident republicans is that they think they are right, everyone else is wrong, and if you don't give us what we want we will keep hitting you until we get it.
They are steeped in victimhood, which means that anything they do is ok, no matter how bad, because the enemy did something worse to them once.
When you said before you didn't have a hierarchy.I thought I heard it all.
snowlynx: I don't have a hierarchy either, just a difference between innocent victims and guilty victims,
]But when I seen your last post and you said
"No, socialism is not the problem. Most socialists are peaceful and democratic. The problem with dissident republicans"
Tells me you haven't understood a thing or you don't want to understand.It also tells me you are so entrenched in your position it almost beggars belief. I have tried several time to explain the various factions within Irish Republicanism. But you still label all republicans as dissidents. My impression about who republicans view as the dissident repbulcian party is SF. Are SF involved in acts of violence. I very much seriously doubt. So stop blaming dissident republicans on violence. There are three main armed republican groups..IRA, ONH, CIRA..Understand that snowy.
I think you'll find both Face and myself agree that socialism is at the heart of the matter. If you know anything about Irish Republicanism beliefs socialism is at the core. Today when you listen to local and national news it's taken up with social issues. Socialism is at the heart of the matter snowy.
This part (kinda first line of the 2nd part of you ill informed opinion and blatantly Pro Brit)..
"They are steeped in victomhood..
Tells me you haven't read my posts as clearly as you believe. I posted report from the Belfast Telegraph a few days ago that had as it's headline a story about a loyalist flute band playing a sectarian song outside a catholic chapel on remembrance sunday 2012. Think about who's still steeped in victomhood.
Phoenix: When you said before you didn't have a hierarchy.I thought I heard it all.
]
But when I seen your last post and you said
"No, socialism is not the problem. Most socialists are peaceful and democratic. The problem with dissident republicans"
Tells me you haven't understood a thing or you don't want to understand.It also tells me you are so entrenched in your position it almost beggars belief. I have tried several time to explain the various factions within Irish Republicanism. But you still label all republicans as dissidents. My impression about who republicans view as the dissident repbulcian party is SF. Are SF involved in acts of violence. I very much seriously doubt. So stop blaming dissident republicans on violence. There are three main armed republican groups..IRA, ONH, CIRA..Understand that snowy.
I think you'll find both Face and myself agree that socialism is at the heart of the matter. If you know anything about Irish Republicanism beliefs socialism is at the core. Today when you listen to local and national news it's taken up with social issues. Socialism is at the heart of the matter snowy.
This part (kinda first line of the 2nd part of you ill informed opinion and blatantly Pro Brit)..
"They are steeped in victomhood..
Tells me you haven't read my posts as clearly as you believe. I posted report from the Belfast Telegraph a few days ago that had as it's headline a story about a loyalist flute band playing a sectarian song outside a catholic chapel on remembrance sunday 2012. Think about who's still steeped in victomhood.
]
But when I seen your last post and you said
"No, socialism is not the problem. Most socialists are peaceful and democratic. The problem with dissident republicans"
Tells me you haven't understood a thing or you don't want to understand.It also tells me you are so entrenched in your position it almost beggars belief. I have tried several time to explain the various factions within Irish Republicanism. But you still label all republicans as dissidents. My impression about who republicans view as the dissident repbulcian party is SF. Are SF involved in acts of violence. I very much seriously doubt. So stop blaming dissident republicans on violence. There are three main armed republican groups..IRA, ONH, CIRA..Understand that snowy.
I think you'll find both Face and myself agree that socialism is at the heart of the matter. If you know anything about Irish Republicanism beliefs socialism is at the core. Today when you listen to local and national news it's taken up with social issues. Socialism is at the heart of the matter snowy.
This part (kinda first line of the 2nd part of you ill informed opinion and blatantly Pro Brit)..
"They are steeped in victomhood..
Tells me you haven't read my posts as clearly as you believe. I posted report from the Belfast Telegraph a few days ago that had as it's headline a story about a loyalist flute band playing a sectarian song outside a catholic chapel on remembrance sunday 2012. Think about who's still steeped in victomhood.
Ok lets clear up this thing about names.
The term 'dissident republican' with people and the media in this country refers to those republicans who don't accept the settlement in the North. This is to distinguish them from mainstream republicans, in other words Sinn Fein. If I said that 'republicans' murdered a man in the North recently people would assume I was talking about SF and their supporters!
Therefore the term 'republican' means SF while the term 'dissident republican' means those groups that split from them, such as RIRA, CIRA, ONH, 32CSM ext...
You mustn't be familiar with things in this country if you didn't know that! Anyway, I'm happy to clear that up.
@Phoenix,
I don't know why you keep mentioning the loyalist flute band playing outside the catholic church? Nobody here thinks that was anything less than disgraceful, there's no disagreement so why keep mentioning it?
The victimhood I refer to is perfectly summed up in your last paragraph, you think it's ok to murder a man last week because the other side are bad too, what a way to think! As I said in my post, victimhood means it's ok to do anything you want as all you can ever be is victims, never perpertrators! A very dangerous way to think.
The sectarianism you point to is shocking, no doubt about that, and your solution: bomb and kill one million prods into a united Ireland will make that sectarianism much worse not better.
I don't know why you keep mentioning the loyalist flute band playing outside the catholic church? Nobody here thinks that was anything less than disgraceful, there's no disagreement so why keep mentioning it?
The victimhood I refer to is perfectly summed up in your last paragraph, you think it's ok to murder a man last week because the other side are bad too, what a way to think! As I said in my post, victimhood means it's ok to do anything you want as all you can ever be is victims, never perpertrators! A very dangerous way to think.
The sectarianism you point to is shocking, no doubt about that, and your solution: bomb and kill one million prods into a united Ireland will make that sectarianism much worse not better.
snowlynx: Ok lets clear up this thing about names.
The term 'dissident republican' with people and the media in this country refers to those republicans who don't accept the settlement in the North.
The term 'dissident republican' with people and the media in this country refers to those republicans who don't accept the settlement in the North.
The Republicans who don't accept the agreement in the north are anti agreement. The are not dissident. They may have been one time but Republicans today who don't agree with the GFA are called anti-agreement republicans. And they aren't carrying out any type of military operation.
snowlynx: This is to distinguish them from mainstream republicans, in other words Sinn Fein.
Who you refer to as mainsteam republicans are what a lot of republicans refer to as dissident republicans by and large made up of SF and people from the PRM (provisional republican movement). They SF to the best of my knowledge do not carry out and type of military operation.
snolynx:
If I said that 'republicans' murdered a man in the North recently people would assume I was talking about SF and their supporters!
If I said that 'republicans' murdered a man in the North recently people would assume I was talking about SF and their supporters!
Thats because you can't understand anything I've said. The IRA have said they killed David Black. The IRA (along with ONH and the CIRA) are the only republicans who have killed on the nationalist side. Thats means they are using Phyiscal force.
Now you secretly would like all PFR's shot on site or banged up for life. Isn't that true. You believe thats the only solutition.
Therefore the term 'republican' means SF while the term 'dissident republican' means those groups that split from them, such as RIRA, CIRA, ONH, 32CSM ext...
You mustn't be familiar with things in this country if you didn't know that! Anyway, I'm happy to clear that up.
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Could you keep your replies shorter and more concise?
Yes indeed you do understand the provisions of the GFA and I was wrong to say you hadn't...there has to be a majority in the north to join with the south.(what you wrongly call a 'unionist veto') it's called democracy. Maybe there should be such a poll in the North, though the result would be a foregone conclusion and would have no effect on dissident republicans so I don't see what point it would serve?
As you say the consequences of Gibralter were terrible but that was only because the Brits didn't take adequete security, the backlash should have been predicted. They should have put Belfast on Lockdown, a curfew of sorts, just like the Israelis do with the Gaza strip. That would have prevented terrorist activity and the savages who killed those two unfortunate British corporals.
Are you for real?