Republicans kill prison officer .. (201)
Mariannette: I can only say my opinions are formed from 5yrs of living in Belfast and having friends who experienced things from both sides of the divide. From being the token catholic in a company. And from living the vast majority of my life a few miles from the border.
I am entitled to forming my opinion based on whatever I want to.
You are entitled to form yours whatever way you feel too.
We can have vastly different takes on any issue, this being one of them.
But thats being said we are each entitled to them.
Mine just is that murder is murder and that very few circumstances can justify it. And this is without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, not one of them.
I am entitled to forming my opinion based on whatever I want to.
You are entitled to form yours whatever way you feel too.
We can have vastly different takes on any issue, this being one of them.
But thats being said we are each entitled to them.
Mine just is that murder is murder and that very few circumstances can justify it. And this is without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, not one of them.
What in your mind justify's you or anyone playing God..? Unlike yourself I grew up in the mean streets of Belfast during the troubles, personally been abused by both the British army and RUC for growing up in a nationalist area. I know what they where capable of first hand. I didn't need to hear stories second hand.
Marian you are entitled to your opinions. Here's a question Do you want a united Ireland or a divided society...
Phoenix: What in your mind justify's you or anyone playing God..? Unlike yourself I grew up in the mean streets of Belfast during the troubles, personally been abused by both the British army and RUC for growing up in a nationalist area. I know what they where capable of first hand. I didn't need to hear stories second hand.
Marian you are entitled to your opinions. Here's a question Do you want a united Ireland or a divided society...
Marian you are entitled to your opinions. Here's a question Do you want a united Ireland or a divided society...
Personally I have no desire for a united Ireland.
The divided society you say has been divided for almost 100yrs.
Phoenix: Same as above..people are afraid of a loyalist back lash.
Lets ask the 32 counties as a whole and put to bed the question of re-unification for at least a generation. If nothing else it could stop more killings.
Lets ask the 32 counties as a whole and put to bed the question of re-unification for at least a generation. If nothing else it could stop more killings.
The reasons people may or may not want something is moot. The fact is the vast majority dont want a vote on the whole island before they vote in the 6 counties. And no matter what you say you can't get away from that.
And why should we have a vote in the 32 counties when the majority dont want it? Why? That would be telling a minority with guns that they win.
And I do want a united Ireland someday but not today. And the reasons are the majority of people in the North dont want to be part of the Republic and we also can't afford to take on the 6 counties at this time. Maybe in 30 or 40 years.
Mariannette: Personally I have no desire for a united Ireland.
The divided society you say has been divided for almost 100yrs.
The divided society you say has been divided for almost 100yrs.
Any sensible person wants to see the two communities getting along ok with each other, that is more important than any united Ireland.
sofarsogood74: So you source of proof that something is not IRA propaganda is a man from the IRA??
Here's Darkie telling part of his story...
youtube: I'm a protestant and i can tell you after reading voices from the grave brendan hughes was a top man.He was not a secatrian bigot but was fighting against british occupation ,not protestants in general which i respect.If you read the book you would gain an insight into the man ,you would also learn he? did not die from cancer but from influenza.
sofar Brandan Hughes credentials are inpeccable
I believe 100% Brendan Hughes says Jean McConville was an agent.
sofarsogood74: No. You're saying you want the whole island to vote on unity. But I am saying the majority on the island dont want that. So if you believe in democracy then you may want it but you have to admit the majority rule and it won't be democratic to let it happen.
There is nothing wrong with wanting it and it being a goal but when people start demading things that the vast majority dont want then that's when problems start.
And even if there was vote I am not sure you would get the result you wanted. We in the Republic can't afford to take on the 6 counties now. So I dont think the majority would vote yes on the island.
Where did you come up with this information?There is nothing wrong with wanting it and it being a goal but when people start demading things that the vast majority dont want then that's when problems start.
And even if there was vote I am not sure you would get the result you wanted. We in the Republic can't afford to take on the 6 counties now. So I dont think the majority would vote yes on the island.
gleneagle: Where did you come up with this information?
Where did I come up with the information that the minority has no right to over rule the majority? It's a little concept called democarcy. You may have heard of it.
Sure what do you care? You're certainly not a Republican. You vote with your pocket.
Phoenix: I've never recognise the border. I don't recognise the statelet of the north and britain has no right in Irish affairs.
Personally I reckon most people in the 26counties are afraid of a loyalist back lash crossing a 'border'.
Personally I reckon most people in the 26counties are afraid of a loyalist back lash crossing a 'border'.
Exactly the border is an imaginary line drawn on a map that separates Townlands..Farms and communities..no difference between the people of North Louth and the people of South Armagh..divided by politics
sofarsogood74: Where did I come up with the information that the minority has no right to over rule the majority? It's a little concept called democarcy. You may have heard of it.
Sure what do you care? You're certainly not a Republican. You vote with your pocket.
No Ill rephrase the last question so as to avoid your last evasive reply. Where or what is the source of your information that the vast majority of people in Ireland do not want a single referendum.(A) Do you wish Ireland to be United (B) Do you wish Ireland to continue as currently constituted.Sure what do you care? You're certainly not a Republican. You vote with your pocket.
whitepaws: Going to have to disagree with you there ......I came thru Cullaville earlier on the way from Blaney and there was a 1 metre wide squigly line all around the place with dead people ,cars and houses under it .....
I went on a second date years ago (before internet dating) with a guy from Cullaville. Nice fellow, very handsome!
But I almost fainted off the chair when he top his jacket off and had only a t-shirt on underneath....the amount of IRA tattoos had to be seen to be believed!
Needless to say I didn't meet him again!
Personally my opinion is , whats all this about REPUBLICANS killing a police officer ? So I live in the REPUBLIC does that make me a killer too.99.9% of people living in the republic would neither condone or want their name put to voilence or killings done NORTH or SOUTH of the border !!!
the_whistler: Personally my opinion is , whats all this about REPUBLICANS killing a police officer ? So I live in the REPUBLIC does that make me a killer too.99.9% of people living in the republic would neither condone or want their name put to voilence or killings done NORTH or SOUTH of the border !!!
whistler..Who killed the PO loyalists? As for you being a killer I've no idea are you? And incase it escaped your notice the 26counties came about purely on the back of violence.
The fact that he was also a member of the Orange Order could make the Loyalists a bit trigger happy as well, hard to know what way this one will play out.
GalwayGuy35: The fact that he was also a member of the Orange Order could make the Loyalists a bit trigger happy as well, hard to know what way this one will play out.
Thats not going to happen. There wont be loyalist backlash. They'll let the PSNI deal with it. If Repubicans 'take-out' a loyalist then you'd be right in your thinking.
Phoenix: whistler..Who killed the PO loyalists? As for you being a killer I've no idea are you? And incase it escaped your notice the 26counties came about purely on the back of violence.
The '26 counties' did so but that was almost one hundred years ago and in a very different world. Anyway they did so because the people there wanted independence, the people of NI now want the opposite, to stay in the UK!
Have you any idea how weak your argument is? how much it ignores reality? You can go down the path of civil war if you want but you won't be taking many of us here with you!
Phoenix: whistler..Who killed the PO loyalists? As for you being a killer I've no idea are you? And incase it escaped your notice the 26counties came about purely on the back of violence.
Im replying to the thread , Im not quoting anyones opinion , as to why you feel you must quote mine boggles me.Yes Im a proud "republican" as in the sense that I live in the south of Ireland but thats as far as it goes. My point is the term REPUBLICAN is an insult to the peaceful living people in the Republic Of Ireland. Tends to brand one and all under the one term which is totally unfair. I have two close friends , both catholic ( not that that makes any difference ) working for the PSNI and think they have a very tough job and I admire them very much. Now make of that what you will ..snowlynx: The '26 counties' did so but that was almost one hundred years ago and in a very different world. Anyway they did so because the people there wanted independence, the people of NI now want the opposite, to stay in the UK!
Cirumstances haven't changed that much once you are prepared to look at bit harder. If you look at the breakdown for the people in favour of the GFA in the North when the vote was cast you'll see very easy most unionists either didn't vote or voted against it. Because they don't want Dublin having any say in the o6c..While the vast majority of the nationalist population in the North voted for it because they believed the lie fed to them by the quislings (SF) that it would be a stepping stone to a united Ireland much in the same way as partition was first sold to the Irish by Collins and Dev.
snowlynx: Have you any idea how weak your argument is? how much it ignores reality? You can go down the path of civil war if you want but you won't be taking many of us here with you!
Show me once snowy where I said 'let's go to war'. I can show you where you have openly said 'let's hope tommorrow the papers read Republicans killed by the security forces'.
I have said lets have one vote for the whole of the island..'Do you want a united Ireland or live in a divided country..'.
You are the one who talks about violence anytime this subject comes up. Not me. I understand it, I'll even do my best to explain it. I've never justified it. But as I've said, I understand why it's still happening.
the_whistler: Im replying to the thread , Im not quoting anyones opinion , as to why you feel you must quote mine boggles me.
I started the thread. You posed a question and I simply replied.
the_whistler: Yes Im a proud "republican" as in the sense that I live in the south of Ireland but thats as far as it goes. My point is the term REPUBLICAN is an insult to the peaceful living people in the Republic Of Ireland. Tends to brand one and all under the one term which is totally unfair. I have two close friends , both catholic ( not that that makes any difference ) working for the PSNI and think they have a very tough job and I admire them very much. Now make of that what you will ..
I'm not branding anyone. I've never said all republicans living in the 26counties are violent. But in my defense..anyone reading this threa knows exactly what I meant when I said 'Republicans killed a prison officer'. Like I said, it wasn't loyalists.
As for your two freinds working for the re-branded RUC, I wouldn't advertise the fact. I'm glad to say none of my friends are. Have you or your friends any idea how bigoted they are? Ask them to have a look at video footage from the riots in belfast this year (studied them closely)..And the first thing you'll see is how the RUC/PSNI handled rioters from the protestant community and from the nationalist side. Deffo wasn't fair. Look at the arrest rates between the two side? And I'm meant to have respect for them. I'm all for a fair and just police force but don't tell me the RUC/PSNI are a fair and even force...Ask your friends why is Matty baggot re-hiring a discredited bunch from the special branch..Why are former members of SB working on HET cases?? Have a look at SB's record.
Phoenix: HC all the NIO has to do is simply stick to what they agreed to last yr and David Black would be alive today. In that I have no doubt.
There is no call for strip searchs. None what so ever. Introduce the BOSS chair.
Why did they backtrack on what they agreed to last year?There is no call for strip searchs. None what so ever. Introduce the BOSS chair.
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So lets ask the island as a whole..one Q. Do you want a united Ireland Yes/No. (never been asked before)...
There is nothing wrong with wanting it and it being a goal but when people start demading things that the vast majority dont want then that's when problems start.
Same as above..people are afraid of a loyalist back lash.
Lets ask the 32 counties as a whole and put to bed the question of re-unification for at least a generation. If nothing else it could stop more killings.