Republicans kill prison officer .. (201)
jimbo79: I could see this coming, these days are meant to be over, there is no excuse for this murder, im a republican i even voted against the gfa but i respected it's outcome as any democrat should do, these dissidents are not republicans, they are organised criminals trying to justify there actions by claiming to be on some political crusade, all the facts point to them been organised criminals, take a look at some of their facebook pages and you will see what type of people you are dealing with, most of them don't even know their own history
But i'm not people on FB..What was your reason for voting against the GFA?
Phoenix: But i'm not people on FB..What was your reason for voting against the GFA?
giving up our claim on the 6 counties, i don't trust the british government and i don't think this was the correct thing to do, it weakened our claims for a united irelandjimbo79: giving up our claim on the 6 counties, i don't trust the british government and i don't think this was the correct thing to do, it weakened our claims for a united ireland
Atricles 2&3 were re-worded (paraphrase) A untied ireland will only be realised by peaceful an democratic means....Also written into the GFA was the right for Irish nationalists in the north to claim Irish citizenship.
The problem with the GFA is simply it's unambiguous in the extreme.
My take is simple. Give the island of Ireland one vote**. Do you want a united Ireland. Yes or No (means putting aside any differences or grudges). The small print will be hammered out. And I doubt if any political party in the 26 counties would come out in favour of keeping the staus quo (it would mount to political suicide)..
**Not a divided vote but count all votes as one voice.
sharmini: Theres no comparison to whats goin on now and the rising in 1916. .
So in 1916 republicans fought under one name or there was various factions of republicanism fighting together..?
Sectarianism doesn't exist anymore?
Catholics aren't discriminated against?
Part of Ireland is still under Westminster?
Republicans aren't being locked up on trumped up charges???
How far sharmini do you want me to go..?
Fair enough not on the same scale as 1916 but there are parallels.
sofarsogood74: And none of the men from 1916 or 1919-21 ever targeted civilans and especially women and children.
Republicans having been bombing/ targeting the UK mainland since the 19th century. In full knowledge that innocent people would be caught up.
I don't look at Irish republicanism with rose coloured glasses.
Phoenix: Republicans having been bombing/ targeting the UK mainland since the 19th century. In full knowledge that innocent people would be caught up.
I don't look at Irish republicanism with rose coloured glasses.
Just wanted to say how sad it is to see this happening again did they not learn anything from the troubles alll hate creates is hate and bitternesI don't look at Irish republicanism with rose coloured glasses.
Tomcats2: Just wanted to say how sad it is to see this happening again did they not learn anything from the troubles alll hate creates is hate and bitternes
Sorry for his family loss but that the reality in the o6c..
Tomcats2: Just wanted to say how sad it is to see this happening again did they not learn anything from the troubles alll hate creates is hate and bitternes
Please don't think for one minute that Phoenix is representative of the Irish people either North or South, he's not, he's the BNP of the Irish political system, he doesn't understand democratic principles and thinks that the ancient crimes against the Irish people justify any atrocity commited BY the Irish people.
sofarsogood74: But thats not democratic as the VAST MAJORITY of people in Ireland don't think that is the way the vote should happen. The vast majority think the people of N. Ireland should choose first. So the way you propose is undemocratic.
I've never recognise the border. I don't recognise the statelet of the north and britain has no right in Irish affairs.
Personally I reckon most people in the 26counties are afraid of a loyalist back lash crossing a 'border'.
Phoenix: Short answer is yes. He knew the risk he was taking when he first joined the prison service. And as hard as that is to stomach for most of you. Thats the cold hard facts in the o6c. Same as anyone joining the police force, they are deemed legit targets by anti agreement republicans.
Ridiculous.
A man takes a job to support himself or his family and it makes him a legitimate to be murdered in cold blood.
This prison officer wasnt threatening the life of another person. He hadnt put anyones life was in imminent danger. So in my opinion for what its worth, is that to me....nothing you can say justifies what happened. Calculated cold blooded murder.
snowlynx: Please don't think for one minute that Phoenix is representative of the Irish people either North or South, he's not, he's the BNP of the Irish political system, he doesn't understand democratic principles and thinks that the ancient crimes against the Irish people justify any atrocity commited BY the Irish people.
My parenst are from the south SnowY and i know pheonix, i actually agree with his vieew give the whole island a vote decide once and for all then move onMariannette: Ridiculous.
A man takes a job to support himself or his family and it makes him a legitimate to be murdered in cold blood.
A man takes a job to support himself or his family and it makes him a legitimate to be murdered in cold blood.
He was a prison officer who knew the risk when he signed the dotted line...
Mariannette: This prison officer wasnt threatening the life of another person. He hadnt put anyones life was in imminent danger. So in my opinion for what its worth, is that to me....nothing you can say justifies what happened. Calculated cold blooded murder.
Last week ONH are alledged to have shot dead a 36yr old man in his home and I don't remember the same condemnation. Same as when Alan Ryan got whacked in Dublin a few weeks ago. Have you lot got a heirarchy on a family suffering the loss of a loved one?
David Black knew full well (and his family) the risk he was taking when he became a PO..Why didn't he become an insurance sales man..milk man..post man. He knew the risk.
Phoenix: I've never recognise the border. I don't recognise the statelet of the north and britain has no right in Irish affairs.
Personally I reckon most people in the 26counties are afraid of a loyalist back lash crossing a 'border'.
Personally I reckon most people in the 26counties are afraid of a loyalist back lash crossing a 'border'.
But it doesn't matter if you recognise the border. The facts are if you believe in democracy then you cant argue with the FACT that the vasy majority of people on the Island of Ireland think that the people in the 6 counties should vote on unity before the whole island does. Thats something you or any dissidant can't get away from. But you lot dont care about democracy.
Phoenix: He was a prison officer who knew the risk when he signed the dotted line...
Last week ONH are alledged to have shot dead a 36yr old man in his home and I don't remember the same condemnation. Same as when Alan Ryan got whacked in Dublin a few weeks ago. Have you lot got a heirarchy on a family suffering the loss of a loved one?
David Black knew full well (and his family) the risk he was taking when he became a PO..Why didn't he become an insurance sales man..milk man..post man. He knew the risk.
Last week ONH are alledged to have shot dead a 36yr old man in his home and I don't remember the same condemnation. Same as when Alan Ryan got whacked in Dublin a few weeks ago. Have you lot got a heirarchy on a family suffering the loss of a loved one?
David Black knew full well (and his family) the risk he was taking when he became a PO..Why didn't he become an insurance sales man..milk man..post man. He knew the risk.
When I mentioned jean mcconville you told me that this thread wasnt about her. Now you are mentioning other people and guess what.....(taking your own advice here)......this thread is not about those other people you are mentioning.
I have said it twice already in this thread that murder is murder unless it in is in self defence.
Actually funny at it might seem to some, prison officer is something I was once told I should be....wondering would that have automatically meant my son would have no right to be upset if I was gunned down in cold blood as I would have been a legitimate target in your eyes.
Mariannette: When I mentioned jean mcconville you told me that this thread wasnt about her. Now you are mentioning other people and guess what.....(taking your own advice here)......this thread is not about those other people you are mentioning.
I have said it twice already in this thread that murder is murder unless it in is in self defence.
Actually funny at it might seem to some, prison officer is something I was once told I should be....wondering would that have automatically meant my son would have no right to be upset if I was gunned down in cold blood as I would have been a legitimate target in your eyes.
I have said it twice already in this thread that murder is murder unless it in is in self defence.
Actually funny at it might seem to some, prison officer is something I was once told I should be....wondering would that have automatically meant my son would have no right to be upset if I was gunned down in cold blood as I would have been a legitimate target in your eyes.
last point first..If you or anyone becomes a PO in the o6c you'll be considered a legit target by anti agreement violent republicans. They've already stated that. If you or anyone one else want to join the PO of the North then you know the risks involed.
Most of the people I've mentioned are in prison in Roe Hse and thats why David Black killed yesterday (events happening in Roe hse).
I mentioned Danny Mckay (not in name) but he was gunned downed last week and I don't remember the same level of inerest. I also mention Alan Ryan and said if anyone has anything to say to anti agreement republicans and live in the Dublin area to simply attend and tell them that what they are doing isn't in 'your' name.
As for Jean McConville..all evidence supports she was an agent of the state and paid the ulimate price. I think the manner of how she died was wrong but she knew the risks. Why don't people aportion part of the blame on British intelligence for using a vunerable woman? How many of you have actually read and studied the North (not the crap on TV or newspapers) but the reality on the streets? How many..?
sofarsogood74: It was put to a vot in the whole island. We voted on the GFA and in that it said there had to be a majority in N. Ireland who wanted unity begore it could happen. The VAST MAJORITY of people on the island of Ireland voted for that. So you're wrong to say there was never a vote. If you believe in democracy then you can't argue with those results.
Look at he question that was asked and the question I'm asking to asked..Deffo not the same sofar.
Phoenix: Look at he question that was asked and the question I'm asking to asked..Deffo not the same sofar.
No. You're saying you want the whole island to vote on unity. But I am saying the majority on the island dont want that. So if you believe in democracy then you may want it but you have to admit the majority rule and it won't be democratic to let it happen.
There is nothing wrong with wanting it and it being a goal but when people start demading things that the vast majority dont want then that's when problems start.
And even if there was vote I am not sure you would get the result you wanted. We in the Republic can't afford to take on the 6 counties now. So I dont think the majority would vote yes on the island.
I can only say my opinions are formed from 5yrs of living in Belfast and having friends who experienced things from both sides of the divide. From being the token catholic in a company. And from living the vast majority of my life a few miles from the border.
I am entitled to forming my opinion based on whatever I want to.
You are entitled to form yours whatever way you feel too.
We can have vastly different takes on any issue, this being one of them.
But thats being said we are each entitled to them.
Mine just is that murder is murder and that very few circumstances can justify it. And this is without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, not one of them.
I am entitled to forming my opinion based on whatever I want to.
You are entitled to form yours whatever way you feel too.
We can have vastly different takes on any issue, this being one of them.
But thats being said we are each entitled to them.
Mine just is that murder is murder and that very few circumstances can justify it. And this is without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, not one of them.
sofarsogood74: No. You're saying you want the whole island to vote on unity. But I am saying the majority on the island dont want that. So if you believe in democracy then you may want it but you have to admit the majority rule and it won't be democratic to let it happen.
There is nothing wrong with wanting it and it being a goal but when people start demading things that the vast majority dont want then that's when problems start.
And even if there was vote I am not sure you would get the result you wanted. We in the Republic can't afford to take on the 6 counties now. So I dont think the majority would vote yes on the island.
There is nothing wrong with wanting it and it being a goal but when people start demading things that the vast majority dont want then that's when problems start.
And even if there was vote I am not sure you would get the result you wanted. We in the Republic can't afford to take on the 6 counties now. So I dont think the majority would vote yes on the island.
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Short answer is yes. He knew the risk he was taking when he first joined the prison service. And as hard as that is to stomach for most of you. Thats the cold hard facts in the o6c. Same as anyone joining the police force, they are deemed legit targets by anti agreement republicans.
If people want to believe that becasue an agreement of sorts was reached in 1998 that republicans would simply put away their guns and stop killing...i've one question to ask..Did they put their guns away after the Treaty was signed in 1921??????
If people really want the gun taken out of irish politics for good, then lets have (or start with) a truth and reconcilliation process where everyone tells the truth. At the minute there is a can of worms in Boston College that if the PSNI get their hands on could probably lead to a lot more deaths. The BC tapes are simply ex political prisioners from both sides telling their version of the troubles. But the puppet masters are using it as fishing excercise (thats not what the MLAT was about). Bescasue of the fishing excercise another project is now on ice in London where security forces were prepared to speak about their versions of the truth.
Anyone who feels strongly that armed republicans aren't carrying out operations in their name and they live in or close to Dublin..Simply go to the memorial fund raiser tonight in Dublin and voice your opinions that they aren't doing it in your name.
Again mc..Daivd Black knew the risk he was taking by joining the Prison service. I've no qualms in telling that to his family. But they already knew the risk. Theres been at least 40 PO's killed during this conflict (it didn't stop in 1994/97/98)..Up until yesterday the last PO killed in the North was by the UVF.