Who gives a Gonski? (162)
LiLeeIpswich, Queensland Australia53 Threads 1,760 PostsTargeted funding might be allocated to students with physical disabilities, learning disabilities, indigenous backgrounds, non English speaking backgrounds, low numeracy/literacy and low socioeconomic backgrounds.
LiLee: Targeted funding might be allocated to students with physical disabilities, learning disabilities, indigenous backgrounds, non English speaking backgrounds, low numeracy/literacy and low socioeconomic backgrounds.
Thanks for the info LiLee
Let's hope, as you said previously, the government implements this in the way it was perceived so that it has full impact and the best outcome.
And total agreement re every child deserving the opportunity to learn, .. funding assisting with support, mentoring and all the other resources that children need .. so that they can all achieve the very best that they are capable of
LiLee: Targeted funding might be allocated to students with physical disabilities, learning disabilities, indigenous backgrounds, non English speaking backgrounds, low numeracy/literacy and low socioeconomic backgrounds.
So now... they are going to spend a ton $ for resources to work out which child is which... and I am in two minds about this..
Firstly... counsellors and educators will prolly be employed to discern this... so more jobs for anyone is a good thing..
But also, those people who are now privately tutoring children after school may lose their income.
and I still think, that no matter how much money is thrown at some children... who don't want more education, or help with reading, writing... is a waste of time.. because ... you cannot force a child to learn what is not of interest to them..
I think it would be far better to bring in a system where educators go to the parents home.. and force mum and dad.. to learn every day survival skills.. and get them to a place where they can learn to cook. and clean and read and all those things that are shamefully hidden under the carpet..
I mean.. how is Johnny and Susie going to learn... if the parents are disinterested... and their own disinterest comes from poor background learning skills..
as for those who have disabilities.. sure... give them help... I am all for that...
but basically, for me.. good parenting starts at home..
and then, following on from that...
If you don't think your child is going to get a good education in a public school... you have two choices..
either send them to private school
or
Home school
but to appear to be doing something because of popular vote... is silly..
But hey... don't listen to me...
I am away with the pixies...
Stupid man...!!!
I am away with the pixies...
Stupid man...!!!
I was married/with a school teacher for thirteen years , over that time there was big changes in the education system ,increased funding to such an extent that we are told that NZ's education spend is quite high compared to OECD countries . Still more changes being tried by current government .
Back to Basics
Close the Gaps ----unequal funding for equal education outcomes
Tomorrows Schools
Reading Recovery
NCEA ,national certificate in educational achievement (every body's
a winner)
I have heard it all and still one fifth of NZ school leavers leave school not being able to read or write .
funding has to be well directed . Teachers delivering poor education outcomes need to get better or get lost . I told my boys when in the last years of their schooling that they should not expect to have their children's education for free (funded by the tax payer) .
Back to Basics
Close the Gaps ----unequal funding for equal education outcomes
Tomorrows Schools
Reading Recovery
NCEA ,national certificate in educational achievement (every body's
a winner)
I have heard it all and still one fifth of NZ school leavers leave school not being able to read or write .
funding has to be well directed . Teachers delivering poor education outcomes need to get better or get lost . I told my boys when in the last years of their schooling that they should not expect to have their children's education for free (funded by the tax payer) .
epirb: I was married/with a school teacher for thirteen years , over that time there was big changes in the education system ,increased funding to such an extent that we are told that NZ's education spend is quite high compared to OECD countries . Still more changes being tried by current government .
Back to Basics
Close the Gaps ----unequal funding for equal education outcomes
Tomorrows Schools
Reading Recovery
NCEA ,national certificate in educational achievement (every body's
a winner)
I have heard it all and still one fifth of NZ school leavers leave school not being able to read or write .
funding has to be well directed . Teachers delivering poor education outcomes need to get better or get lost . I told my boys when in the last years of their schooling that they should not expect to have their children's education for free (funded by the tax payer) .
Back to Basics
Close the Gaps ----unequal funding for equal education outcomes
Tomorrows Schools
Reading Recovery
NCEA ,national certificate in educational achievement (every body's
a winner)
I have heard it all and still one fifth of NZ school leavers leave school not being able to read or write .
funding has to be well directed . Teachers delivering poor education outcomes need to get better or get lost . I told my boys when in the last years of their schooling that they should not expect to have their children's education for free (funded by the tax payer) .
Exactly what I was trying to say... if children are not interested... and parents don't care... then it is not going to happen...
So then we have the 'disadvantaged' ... disadvantaged because..??
Because of pc... I wont say what I really think...
all I can say... is the govt need to be throwing money at what people perceive to be disadvantaged...
But if you throw $$, access to booze and housing their way... without then teaching survival skills...( oh.. I forgot to mention the silly weed that enters the equation)
then is that not throwing good money away??
Just a thought.. but hey... don't listen to me.. I am away with the Pixies...
If you don't think your child is going to get a good education in a public school... you have two choices..
either send them to private school
or
Home school
Forgive me Merri, but that line of thinking assumes that a private school education is superior to a public school education and that is simply NOT the case. Check out the My Schools website.
It's time we moved past this inaccurate perception and realised that successful students come from all walks of life and from all forms of education institutions.
I would prefer to say "If you don't think your child is getting a good education regardless of whether you have chosen to send them to a private school or a public school, communicate with the school and seek to support your child to achieve." Students can excel in either environment with parental support and a solid partnership with their educational provider.
But as you say, ultimately it comes down to the individual and disengaged students will fair no better in a private system than a public one.
either send them to private school
or
Home school
Forgive me Merri, but that line of thinking assumes that a private school education is superior to a public school education and that is simply NOT the case.
Check out the My Schools website. It's time we moved past this inaccurate perception and realised that successful students come from all walks of life and from all forms of education institutions.
I would prefer to say "If you don't think your child is getting a good education regardless of whether you have chosen to send them to a private school or a public school, communicate with the school and seek to support your child to achieve." Students can excel in either environment with parental support and a solid partnership with their educational provider.
But as you say, ultimately it comes down to the individual and disengaged students will fair no better in a private system than a public one.
LiLee: If you don't think your child is going to get a good education in a public school... you have two choices..
either send them to private school
or
Home school
Forgive me Merri, but that line of thinking assumes that a private school education is superior to a public school education and that is simply NOT the case. Check out the My Schools website.
It's time we moved past this inaccurate perception and realised that successful students come from all walks of life and from all forms of education institutions.
I would prefer to say "If you don't think your child is getting a good education regardless of whether you have chosen to send them to a private school or a public school, communicate with the school and seek to support your child to achieve." Students can excel in either environment with parental support and a solid partnership with their educational provider.
But as you say, ultimately it comes down to the individual and disengaged students will fair no better in a private system than a public one.
part of the problem is parents can't access accurate information on how their children are doing to make changes . Motivation is where its at though ,knowing your child is thick is only the first and easiest step .either send them to private school
or
Home school
Forgive me Merri, but that line of thinking assumes that a private school education is superior to a public school education and that is simply NOT the case. Check out the My Schools website.
It's time we moved past this inaccurate perception and realised that successful students come from all walks of life and from all forms of education institutions.
I would prefer to say "If you don't think your child is getting a good education regardless of whether you have chosen to send them to a private school or a public school, communicate with the school and seek to support your child to achieve." Students can excel in either environment with parental support and a solid partnership with their educational provider.
But as you say, ultimately it comes down to the individual and disengaged students will fair no better in a private system than a public one.
Forgive me but it breaks my heart to hear your opinions on public schools. 
I work with dedicated educators who spend their careers caring and nurturing students to achieve their best outcomes and many against the odds. I beg you to cease thinking of educational institutions in terms of taxpayer funded/public education being in some way inferior to private/paid education.
This is simply NOT TRUE. All educators want to see their students achieve their full potential and need the support of the public/parents to make this a reality.
This is not a debate about public versus private this is a plea for governments to support all students to achieve their best.
I work with dedicated educators who spend their careers caring and nurturing students to achieve their best outcomes and many against the odds. I beg you to cease thinking of educational institutions in terms of taxpayer funded/public education being in some way inferior to private/paid education.
This is simply NOT TRUE. All educators want to see their students achieve their full potential and need the support of the public/parents to make this a reality.
This is not a debate about public versus private this is a plea for governments to support all students to achieve their best.
LiLee: If you don't think your child is going to get a good education in a public school... you have two choices..
either send them to private school
or
Home school
Forgive me Merri, but that line of thinking assumes that a private school education is superior to a public school education and that is simply NOT the case. Check out the My Schools website.
It's time we moved past this inaccurate perception and realised that successful students come from all walks of life and from all forms of education institutions.
I would prefer to say "If you don't think your child is getting a good education regardless of whether you have chosen to send them to a private school or a public school, communicate with the school and seek to support your child to achieve." Students can excel in either environment with parental support and a solid partnership with their educational provider.
But as you say, ultimately it comes down to the individual and disengaged students will fair no better in a private system than a public one.
either send them to private school
or
Home school
Forgive me Merri, but that line of thinking assumes that a private school education is superior to a public school education and that is simply NOT the case. Check out the My Schools website.
It's time we moved past this inaccurate perception and realised that successful students come from all walks of life and from all forms of education institutions.
I would prefer to say "If you don't think your child is getting a good education regardless of whether you have chosen to send them to a private school or a public school, communicate with the school and seek to support your child to achieve." Students can excel in either environment with parental support and a solid partnership with their educational provider.
But as you say, ultimately it comes down to the individual and disengaged students will fair no better in a private system than a public one.
Hi Lillee.
If you send your child to public school.. then that is fine... generally in primary schools.. the teachers are so so... some very good... and some not so great... but that is fair... not every teacher is going to have the same passion.. that is human nature...
and not only that... but teachers employed by the education system, are given contracts.. quite short term, so they swap about schools..
Sometimes they are given a position at a school they don't particulary like.. who do you think is the winner in this...??
No one... not the schools reputation, and not the childrens education...
But the teachers who are selected to teach in private schools... have a very rigorous testing system.. they need to prove themselves before getting a position.. or be able to prove that they have the skills required to keep their passion.. and in this... the passion is not only for teaching...
its a passion to withhold the school's policy, the passion to teach and encourage students to do extremely well... because this then, becomes a money issues... and when there is $$ involved for the school.. teachers Have to come up to scratch..
Look... OK I am biased... I sent both of mine to private... and both of mine have degrees... own their own homes etc.. but yes... I was on their backs all the time ... and I bribed them too... I wanted to see excellence... and I expected a return for my money... which I got...
I doubt that if I had been a ho hum.. that will do.. mum ... I would have gotten the boyz to the same place...
I am extremely soft in most areas of my life.. except when it came to my boyz and their futures...
I would never have accepted less than the most they could do...
and in that regard... I helped them as much as I could.. by tagging them and not letting them do anything which was not either productive or beneficial to their education.
But hey... don't listen to me... I am away with the Pixies...
epirb: part of the problem is parents can't access accurate information on how their children are doing to make changes . Motivation is where its at though ,knowing your child is thick is only the first and easiest step .
Does New Zealand have the equivalent to NAPLAN and ESSA tests epirb?. These are Australia's attempt to gauge student performance against their peers across the country. These tests are also subject to criticism as some claim students are taught to excel in the test and some are given a broader knowledge.
LiLee: Does New Zealand have the equivalent to NAPLAN and ESSA tests epirb?. These are Australia's attempt to gauge student performance against their peers across the country. These tests are also subject to criticism as some claim students are taught to excel in the test and some are given a broader knowledge.
There are changes happening now that are trying to test one student against all others . Its being undermined by both the teachers and to a smaller extent some in the ministry of education as the leftwing has the education by the balls and has had it for decades .National Standards is the name of what is being introduced . It will be tossed out as soon as their is a change of government which is a pity as its in my opinion the only thing that this government has tried to do that's good .Merriweather: I helped them as much as I could.. by tagging them and not letting them do anything which was not either productive or beneficial to their education. But hey... don't listen to me... I am away with the Pixies...
I wish you would stop saying that as I do not believe that and welcome the debate.
Your sons would have faired just as well in either institution as you were an engaged parent who valued education and took an active roll in your sons education.
The difference may be that parents that send students to private schools do have a vested interest in their results cause they are spending extra money on sending them there.
However, have you considered that some private schools may tell their paying parents what they want to hear about their students performance in order to keep the money coming in. I think if you had a look at the comparison between HSC results across the state you would see that public school students still on average come out on top.
Public school teachers are put through the same rigorous standards that private school teachers are, if not more so. There are more of them across the state and competition is fierce. Slack teachers do not fair well at all in the public system.
An equal number of public educated students gain university degrees and go on to professional careers.
These perceptions are what should ring alarm bells in the ears of parents.
The current government would love to privatise education so as to save some money to put towards private enterprise. Is this the kind of state we want to live in where only the privileged can afford a good education and the have nots are subjected to a second class.
Children deserve to be given an equal opportunity to make something of themselves through hard work and dedication.
You know what, I know there are many great parents out there who support a fair funding model for all students.
I for one am glad Tony Abbott has been pressured to back down and about face.
Thank goodness common sense does prevail.
This is just on the news...
New South Wales Teachers Federation members have voted overwhelmingly to accept a new performance-based pay deal from the State Government, that will see the best teachers paid six figure salaries.
At stop work meetings this morning about 96 percent of Teachers Federation members voted to accept the deal, which will see pay tied to performance rather than years of service.
The deal includes standard incremental pay rises over the next three years before a move to the new system starts in 2016.
There will be a new faster process to manage under-performing teachers, and funding for professional learning will be increased by 50 per cent.
The Director General of the Education Department, Michelle Bruniges says the best teachers will no longer have to move into administrative roles to earn more than $100,000 a year.
"So valuing those teachers and recognising and rewarding them through a pay scale that keeps them in the class room is exactly where we want to be in an educational agenda that's based on valuing the work done in classrooms," she said.
This is NSW... and looks like they are welcoming the Gonski report already..
New South Wales Teachers Federation members have voted overwhelmingly to accept a new performance-based pay deal from the State Government, that will see the best teachers paid six figure salaries.
At stop work meetings this morning about 96 percent of Teachers Federation members voted to accept the deal, which will see pay tied to performance rather than years of service.
The deal includes standard incremental pay rises over the next three years before a move to the new system starts in 2016.
There will be a new faster process to manage under-performing teachers, and funding for professional learning will be increased by 50 per cent.
The Director General of the Education Department, Michelle Bruniges says the best teachers will no longer have to move into administrative roles to earn more than $100,000 a year.
"So valuing those teachers and recognising and rewarding them through a pay scale that keeps them in the class room is exactly where we want to be in an educational agenda that's based on valuing the work done in classrooms," she said.
This is NSW... and looks like they are welcoming the Gonski report already..
I was in every reading class ever invented, still couldn't spell my middle name Francis until was aged twenty seven or something
Its all a nonsense, at high school i topped the class in bee keeping and was seventh in animal husbandry, computer has helped a lot, think i remember a picture of wordes but still can't spell for nuts
Its all a nonsense, at high school i topped the class in bee keeping and was seventh in animal husbandry, computer has helped a lot, think i remember a picture of wordes but still can't spell for nuts
Merriweather: This is just on the news...
New South Wales Teachers Federation members have voted overwhelmingly to accept a new performance-based pay deal from the State Government, that will see the best teachers paid six figure salaries.
At stop work meetings this morning about 96 percent of Teachers Federation members voted to accept the deal, which will see pay tied to performance rather than years of service.
The deal includes standard incremental pay rises over the next three years before a move to the new system starts in 2016.
There will be a new faster process to manage under-performing teachers, and funding for professional learning will be increased by 50 per cent.
The Director General of the Education Department, Michelle Bruniges says the best teachers will no longer have to move into administrative roles to earn more than $100,000 a year.
"So valuing those teachers and recognising and rewarding them through a pay scale that keeps them in the class room is exactly where we want to be in an educational agenda that's based on valuing the work done in classrooms," she said.
This is NSW... and looks like they are welcoming the Gonski report already..
New South Wales Teachers Federation members have voted overwhelmingly to accept a new performance-based pay deal from the State Government, that will see the best teachers paid six figure salaries.
At stop work meetings this morning about 96 percent of Teachers Federation members voted to accept the deal, which will see pay tied to performance rather than years of service.
The deal includes standard incremental pay rises over the next three years before a move to the new system starts in 2016.
There will be a new faster process to manage under-performing teachers, and funding for professional learning will be increased by 50 per cent.
The Director General of the Education Department, Michelle Bruniges says the best teachers will no longer have to move into administrative roles to earn more than $100,000 a year.
"So valuing those teachers and recognising and rewarding them through a pay scale that keeps them in the class room is exactly where we want to be in an educational agenda that's based on valuing the work done in classrooms," she said.
This is NSW... and looks like they are welcoming the Gonski report already..
Here Here Merri.... I was one of the 96% who voted for performance pay for NSW public school teachers today.
The majority of us want to see dedicated teachers rewarded for their efforts and under performing teachers removed from the system. Now this will be the reality.
robplum: I was in every reading class ever invented, still couldn't spell my middle name Francis until was aged twenty seven or something
Its all a nonsense, at high school i topped the class in bee keeping and was seventh in animal husbandry, computer has helped a lot, think i remember a picture of wordes but still can't spell for nuts
Its all a nonsense, at high school i topped the class in bee keeping and was seventh in animal husbandry, computer has helped a lot, think i remember a picture of wordes but still can't spell for nuts
Hi Rob...
pity you could not access free Tafe courses
this is just Qld..
The govt has for some time... in all the different states.. offered free study to those who want it..
robplum: I was in every reading class ever invented, still couldn't spell my middle name Francis until was aged twenty seven or something
Its all a nonsense, at high school i topped the class in bee keeping and was seventh in animal husbandry, computer has helped a lot, think i remember a picture of words but still can't spell for nuts
Its all a nonsense, at high school i topped the class in bee keeping and was seventh in animal husbandry, computer has helped a lot, think i remember a picture of words but still can't spell for nuts
There are multiple intelligences Rob
Merriweather: There is a big divide with what kids know..
Some like to learn and others don't... which is good... some need to be labourers, and some need to be rocket science..
Keep money outta the equation... Let parents discern if they truthfully can... is my child a nerdy type or not.. and if they discern that their child merits a good education... let the parents pay for it...they will...
the end.
It was a joke of course but you did bring a valid point. I strongly believe we are predetermined in the same way many insects and animals are that live in large groups. If we weren’t, all people who couldn’t reach the status of desired destiny due to lack of education or opportunity would suffer enormous stress. We know that is not the case, for those who desire to be doctors, nuclear physicist even astronauts, some came out of public schools but do get sponsorship by private schools due to the intellectual ability. Some like to learn and others don't... which is good... some need to be labourers, and some need to be rocket science..
Keep money outta the equation... Let parents discern if they truthfully can... is my child a nerdy type or not.. and if they discern that their child merits a good education... let the parents pay for it...they will...
the end.
I agree if parents feel their child has the ability to become anything they desire but are disadvantaged by the public education system, they need to make that investment and pay for it.
LiLee: Here Here Merri.... I was one of the 96% who voted for performance pay for NSW public school teachers today.
The majority of us want to see dedicated teachers rewarded for their efforts and under performing teachers removed from the system. Now this will be the reality.
The majority of us want to see dedicated teachers rewarded for their efforts and under performing teachers removed from the system. Now this will be the reality.
Brilliant then Lilee.. because this will weed the chaff from the hay...
and maybe teachers who are tired or not interested... those who have not performed well... might get a chance to either improve... or be shown the door...
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