Who gives a Gonski? (162)
LiLee: Thanks Merri,
AA..... Sweety, teachers wages are paid by the state government not the federal government. That's a whole different level of government.
Perhaps you should have paid more attention in school.
So where do you think this new funding would be coming from for the states AA..... Sweety, teachers wages are paid by the state government not the federal government. That's a whole different level of government.
Perhaps you should have paid more attention in school.
LiLee: Thanks Merri,
AA..... Sweety, teachers wages are paid by the state government not the federal government. That's a whole different level of government.
Perhaps you should have paid more attention in school.
AA..... Sweety, teachers wages are paid by the state government not the federal government. That's a whole different level of government.
Perhaps you should have paid more attention in school.
The report says current school funding arrangements are unnecessarily complex, lack coherence and transparency, and involve duplication of funding in some areas.
It says there is an imbalance between the funding responsibilities of the Federal Government and state and territory governments across the schooling sectors.
It says the current funding system makes it difficult for governments and policy makers to decide how best to fund schools.
Must you always have to have the last word 
The quote you have highlighted refers to the discepancies between what the states currently receive from the federal government not what the money is spent on.
States continue to pay teachers wages as they always have out of their state education budget. This bucket of money is completely seperate from the gonski agreement between states, who have signed up, in which the federal governnent provides extra money to schools based on the student needs as explained in earlier posts.
Gonski funding has nothing to do with teacher wages.
The quote you have highlighted refers to the discepancies between what the states currently receive from the federal government not what the money is spent on.
States continue to pay teachers wages as they always have out of their state education budget. This bucket of money is completely seperate from the gonski agreement between states, who have signed up, in which the federal governnent provides extra money to schools based on the student needs as explained in earlier posts.
Gonski funding has nothing to do with teacher wages.
LiLee: Must you always have to have the last word
The quote you have highlighted refers to the discepancies between what the states currently receive from the federal government not what the money is spent on.
States continue to pay teachers wages as they always have out of their state education budget. This bucket of money is completely seperate from the gonski agreement between states, who have signed up, in which the federal governnent provides extra money to schools based on the student needs as explained in earlier posts.
Gonski funding has nothing to do with teacher wages.
The objection and the reason why they wanted it scraped was due to the fact that the federal government would fund A THIRD of the state education. FFS Read the report and not just the overview. The quote you have highlighted refers to the discepancies between what the states currently receive from the federal government not what the money is spent on.
States continue to pay teachers wages as they always have out of their state education budget. This bucket of money is completely seperate from the gonski agreement between states, who have signed up, in which the federal governnent provides extra money to schools based on the student needs as explained in earlier posts.
Gonski funding has nothing to do with teacher wages.
AgentAjax: The objection and the reason why they wanted it scraped was due to the fact that the federal government would fund A THIRD of the state education. FFS Read the report and not just the overview.
FFS show me where it says in any document that gonski funding from the federal government to the state government will go towards teacher wages
Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire" William Butler Yeats (?)
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
Plutarch
Government is filling Pails,and it shows on the general level of Education in today's world!
Public education is not education ... it is schooling,Indoctrination.
A general State education is a mere contrivance for moulding people to be exactly like one another; and as the mould in which it casts them is that which pleases the dominant power in the government, whether this be a monarch, an aristocracy, or a majority of the existing generation; in proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism over the mind, leading by a natural tendency to one over the body." - John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"
"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed." - Joseph Stalin
"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion." - Joseph Goebbels
Governments have long since realized the value of pressing Children into Government-Schools!
In thirties Germany it was called "Gleichschaltung"!
A Dumbed Down Populace is much easier to govern,than one who has learned to thing for it self!
Independent thinking is the first thing that goes down the Drain in Government-Schooling!
So,they don't worry if they underfund those Schools,the Children will have to attend anyway,or there will be Hell to pay!
And not just in Australia,but pretty much all over the Globe!
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
Plutarch
Government is filling Pails,and it shows on the general level of Education in today's world!
Public education is not education ... it is schooling,Indoctrination.
A general State education is a mere contrivance for moulding people to be exactly like one another; and as the mould in which it casts them is that which pleases the dominant power in the government, whether this be a monarch, an aristocracy, or a majority of the existing generation; in proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism over the mind, leading by a natural tendency to one over the body." - John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"
"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed." - Joseph Stalin
"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion." - Joseph Goebbels
Governments have long since realized the value of pressing Children into Government-Schools!
In thirties Germany it was called "Gleichschaltung"!
A Dumbed Down Populace is much easier to govern,than one who has learned to thing for it self!
Independent thinking is the first thing that goes down the Drain in Government-Schooling!
So,they don't worry if they underfund those Schools,the Children will have to attend anyway,or there will be Hell to pay!
And not just in Australia,but pretty much all over the Globe!
Oh please 
Let*s just raise a generation of illiterate inbacells shall we
To hell with education, why bother.
Perhaps we would all prefer to have our taxes pay the welfare for the unemployed while we send overseas for all our goods and services.
What a shame to have so little respect for the right of every Australian child to be educated.
Let*s just raise a generation of illiterate inbacells shall we
To hell with education, why bother.
Perhaps we would all prefer to have our taxes pay the welfare for the unemployed while we send overseas for all our goods and services.
What a shame to have so little respect for the right of every Australian child to be educated.
LiLee: Oh please
Let*s just raise a generation of illiterate inbacells shall we
To hell with education, why bother.
Perhaps we would all prefer to have our taxes pay the welfare for the unemployed while we send overseas for all our goods and services.
What a shame to have so little respect for the right of every Australian child to be educated.
Hmm and how are we going to do that without bringing the teachers level of numeracy and literacy skills up? few years ago when they randomly selected schools and teacher, most teachers failed in those two areas, mind you primary school teachers did a lot better than the high school teachers. I would suggest you read the Gonski report, it addresses those areas and you would actually know what you’re talking about. Let*s just raise a generation of illiterate inbacells shall we
To hell with education, why bother.
Perhaps we would all prefer to have our taxes pay the welfare for the unemployed while we send overseas for all our goods and services.
What a shame to have so little respect for the right of every Australian child to be educated.
AgentAjax: I would suggest you read the Gonski report, it addresses those areas and you would actually know what you’re talking about.
The irony of that statement is that without the level of education that you were provided with in this country you wouldn't be able to claim to have read the Gonski report or write your post claiming to be an armchair expert on the subject.
yes but it also all those that attended school before recent funding never learnt nothing.
What Abbott and co are doing is burying peoples real concerns by continuing political debate on subjects that are a nonsense. There is no end to parents concerns for there children's welfare and half the country share the interest. Meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of children from mainly small business families are topping themselves for lack of parenting, hours and hours of academic clap-trap while lacking real life enjoyment
Its all a nonsense
What Abbott and co are doing is burying peoples real concerns by continuing political debate on subjects that are a nonsense. There is no end to parents concerns for there children's welfare and half the country share the interest. Meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of children from mainly small business families are topping themselves for lack of parenting, hours and hours of academic clap-trap while lacking real life enjoyment
Its all a nonsense
LiLee: The irony of that statement is that without the level of education that you were provided with in this country you wouldn't be able to claim to have read the Gonski report or write your post claiming to be an armchair expert on the subject.
FFS You don't even know what you are opposingrobplum: yes but it also all those that attended school before recent funding never learnt nothing.
What Abbott and co are doing is burying peoples real concerns by continuing political debate on subjects that are a nonsense. There is no end to parents concerns for there children's welfare and half the country share the interest. Meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of children from mainly small business families are topping themselves for lack of parenting, hours and hours of academic clap-trap while lacking real life enjoyment
Its all a nonsense
the point is you cannot fix the system by only injecting money into it and its not the system itself at fault but the fault of poorly educated teachers.What Abbott and co are doing is burying peoples real concerns by continuing political debate on subjects that are a nonsense. There is no end to parents concerns for there children's welfare and half the country share the interest. Meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of children from mainly small business families are topping themselves for lack of parenting, hours and hours of academic clap-trap while lacking real life enjoyment
Its all a nonsense
AgentAjax: FFS You don't even know what you are opposing
I'm not opposing anything.
I'm supporting something. A fairer system for distribution of federal government promised funds to all educational institutions in this country based on student needs.
What are you doing AA?
Let's stop the blame game and acknowledge that the raising of children is the responsibility of families, identify those who need extra assistance, provide what they need and support educators to provide Aussie with a quality education in line with the best world standards.
well yes and no
best example i can think of is the academic thought that all small family dairy farms should close down because accounts pointed out large milking sheds that can milk two to three thousand cows per cow is more cost effective thus more competitive milk pricing. Was a nonsense, the small family farms (a) had productive meaningful lifestyles (b) Murray River in drier times could not sustain level of irrigation needed in the area dairy industry was moved to, (c) countless Australian families lost the livelihood, (d) rural children were forced into cities to conform to the whims of the ego maniacs constantly dreaming up non productive people activities away from there families
best example i can think of is the academic thought that all small family dairy farms should close down because accounts pointed out large milking sheds that can milk two to three thousand cows per cow is more cost effective thus more competitive milk pricing. Was a nonsense, the small family farms (a) had productive meaningful lifestyles (b) Murray River in drier times could not sustain level of irrigation needed in the area dairy industry was moved to, (c) countless Australian families lost the livelihood, (d) rural children were forced into cities to conform to the whims of the ego maniacs constantly dreaming up non productive people activities away from there families
robplum: yes but it also all those that attended school before recent funding never learnt nothing.
What Abbott and co are doing is burying peoples real concerns by continuing political debate on subjects that are a nonsense. There is no end to parents concerns for there children's welfare and half the country share the interest. Meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of children from mainly small business families are topping themselves for lack of parenting, hours and hours of academic clap-trap while lacking real life enjoyment
Its all a nonsense
What Abbott and co are doing is burying peoples real concerns by continuing political debate on subjects that are a nonsense. There is no end to parents concerns for there children's welfare and half the country share the interest. Meanwhile hundreds if not thousands of children from mainly small business families are topping themselves for lack of parenting, hours and hours of academic clap-trap while lacking real life enjoyment
Its all a nonsense
OK.. where is the link?? for hundreds of thousands of children topping themselves for lack of parenting??
and what " hours and hours of academic clap-trap.. " you mean study
yep... study and learning is mandatory to passing exams.. usually.. ??
lacking real life..??
Um no... kids don't lack real life... there are sports galore to choose from... and most kids do choose...??
do you think living solitary in the bush has maybe not kept you up to date with what actually is occurring in suburbia and the cities.??
LiLee: I'm not opposing anything. I'm supporting something.
A fairer system for distribution of federal government promised funds to all educational institutions in this country based on student needs.
What are you doing AA?
Let's stop the blame game and acknowledge that the raising of children is the responsibility of families, identify those who need extra assistance, provide what they need and support educators to provide Aussie with a quality education in line with the best world standards.
A fairer system for distribution of federal government promised funds to all educational institutions in this country based on student needs.
What are you doing AA?
Let's stop the blame game and acknowledge that the raising of children is the responsibility of families, identify those who need extra assistance, provide what they need and support educators to provide Aussie with a quality education in line with the best world standards.
Back to the essence of this thread
Not meeski, but keep an eye out on the south china seeski!
Legacy of liberal and labor politics; one aspect of whats been covered up while they continue the liberal labor side show in Canberra. Other includes rural suicide, war casualties, homelessness, suicides directly related to family court, un-employment, casual employment all sorts of serious issues both been covered up, one way or another can be linked to education outcomes etc
There were 22,526 suicide deaths registered in Australia over the 10 years between 2001 and 2010
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Statistics on Suicide in Australia
Suicide is the leading cause of death in Australia for men under 44 and women under 34.
Suicide is the most common cause of death for Australians under 25, killing more than car accidents or skin cancer, and a leading researcher says the deaths are preventable.
Suicide is the 15th biggest killer of all Australians and the top cause of death for men aged 15 to 44, according to the 2011 Bureau of Statistics Cause of Death report.
Suicide is a leading cause of death among young people, second only to motor vehicle accidents.
Suicide rates among 15-24 year old males have trebled between 1960 and 1990.
In remote rural Australia suicide rates for young males are nearly twice those of males living in capital cities.
Suicide is rare in childhood (<14 years) but becomes much more common during adolescence. The rise in suicide is most rapid between the ages of 15 to 19 years but there is a further increase between the age of 20 to 24 years.
Rates of suicide in Indigenous communities have been increasing since the 1970's. The majority of Aboriginal people who suicide are under the age of 29. Overall, the suicide rate in Indigenous communities may be 40% higher than the rate of non-Indigenous suicide.
There were 22,526 suicide deaths registered in Australia over the 10 years between 2001 and 2010
@.nsf/products/8D157E15E9D912E7CA257A440014CE53?opendocument
Statistics on Suicide in Australia
Suicide is the leading cause of death in Australia for men under 44 and women under 34.
Suicide is the most common cause of death for Australians under 25, killing more than car accidents or skin cancer, and a leading researcher says the deaths are preventable.
Suicide is the 15th biggest killer of all Australians and the top cause of death for men aged 15 to 44, according to the 2011 Bureau of Statistics Cause of Death report.
Suicide is a leading cause of death among young people, second only to motor vehicle accidents.
Suicide rates among 15-24 year old males have trebled between 1960 and 1990.
In remote rural Australia suicide rates for young males are nearly twice those of males living in capital cities.
Suicide is rare in childhood (<14 years) but becomes much more common during adolescence. The rise in suicide is most rapid between the ages of 15 to 19 years but there is a further increase between the age of 20 to 24 years.
Rates of suicide in Indigenous communities have been increasing since the 1970's. The majority of Aboriginal people who suicide are under the age of 29. Overall, the suicide rate in Indigenous communities may be 40% higher than the rate of non-Indigenous suicide.
looks like the Australian State of New Zealand (people should read uncorrupted version of AU Constitution before comment) State of NZ follows suit
Yesterday the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report showed Kiwi 15-year-olds had slipped from seventh out of 65 countries in reading and science to 13th and 18th respectively, and had also plummeted in maths, from 12th to 23rd.
Education Minister Hekia Parata says the results reflect "10 to 11 years" of learning, half of which would have been under the previous Labour Government.
Yesterday the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report showed Kiwi 15-year-olds had slipped from seventh out of 65 countries in reading and science to 13th and 18th respectively, and had also plummeted in maths, from 12th to 23rd.
Education Minister Hekia Parata says the results reflect "10 to 11 years" of learning, half of which would have been under the previous Labour Government.
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Thanks Merri,
AA..... Sweety, teachers wages are paid by the state government not the federal government. That's a whole different level of government.
Perhaps you should have paid more attention in school.