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Oct 21, 2014 7:39 AM CST Is Religion
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
Kaybee50: But my favorite Scots...there will always be many people of faith/religion/spiritual who want and feel they are called, to serve, provide, use their skills and talents and means, to uplift, encourage, and help in anyway they are able, regardless of government.

Separation of church and state. If the state were in a position to care for every citizen of the world's needs, there would still be people with the yearning for community, a private place to come during their times of grief and joys and empowerment.


My dear Miss Ouri .... Thank goodness for good people, but IMO a government shouldn't have to rely on them, know what I mean.tip hat our money should be spent on our welfare not on their wars.
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Oct 21, 2014 7:45 AM CST Is Religion
joey987
joey987joey987Bowmanville, Ontario Canada1 Threads 1,417 Posts
Kaybee50: Do you know how those groups are funded and what they expect to receive in return? What are these group's ultimate purpose?
They are self supporting through their own contributions. In AA the purpose is to stay sober and help others who are trying to do the same. In helping others to attain and maintain sobriety the alcoholic ensures their own sobriety. The old saying goes to keep it, you have to give it away.

For a more definitive answer they do have a website. It likely gives somewhere an overview of what AA is and what it isn' t.wave
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Oct 21, 2014 7:46 AM CST Is Religion
Kaybee50: In my locale, they will accept anyone, yet provide a separate area for others' safety. And there are those that are simply too proud to seek the shelter and food, and every night there are people roaming the streets seeking them out to give them blankets, coats, boots, socks, hats, tents, gloves.
My goodness, that sounds like awesome support and effort. In some major U.S. cities, it's as if missions are actual thriving Industries, better that, than not. As was written, we'll have the poor with us always.
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Oct 21, 2014 7:48 AM CST Is Religion
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
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Oct 21, 2014 7:49 AM CST Is Religion
RDM59: My dear Miss Ouri .... Thank goodness for good people, but IMO a government shouldn't have to rely on them, know what I mean. our money should be spent on our welfare not on their wars.
Miss Ouri? Or is this Misery? giggle

In a perfect world, there would be no war and every person on this planet would live in peace and harmony. I absolutely agree with you Sir Cheekster.

Until we evolve to that point, what some religious institutions can and do provide, isn't always a bad thing. Thank God for Mother Theresa and hospitals.
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Oct 21, 2014 7:53 AM CST Is Religion
joey987: They are self supporting through their own contributions. In AA the purpose is to stay sober and help others who are trying to do the same. In helping others to attain and maintain sobriety the alcoholic ensures their own sobriety. The old saying goes to keep it, you have to give it away.

For a more definitive answer they do have a website. It likely gives somewhere an overview of what AA is and what it isn' t.
So, these programs don't receive any financial gains from those that attend, they fill a void and a need, and hopefully help people? And expect nothing in return.
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Oct 21, 2014 7:55 AM CST Is Religion
CuddlingSoul: My goodness, that sounds like awesome support and effort. In some major U.S. cities, it's as if missions are actual thriving Industries, better that, than not. As was written, we'll have the poor with us always.
These shelters are mostly supported by the private contributions and time of volunteers.
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Oct 21, 2014 8:00 AM CST Is Religion
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
Kaybee50: Miss Ouri? Or is this Misery?

In a perfect world, there would be no war and every person on this planet would live in peace and harmony. I absolutely agree with you Sir Cheekster.

Until we evolve to that point, what some religious institutions can and do provide, isn't always a bad thing. Thank God for Mother Theresa and hospitals.


I know I am being too much of an Aye-dealist but we do have the capacity to evolve but unfortunately I can't see it ever happening.blues
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Oct 21, 2014 8:08 AM CST Is Religion
joey987
joey987joey987Bowmanville, Ontario Canada1 Threads 1,417 Posts
Kaybee50: So, these programs don't receive any financial gains from those that attend, they fill a void and a need, and hopefully help people? And expect nothing in return.
The programs receive voluntary contributions from it' s members(alcoholics) who attend meetings. It' s called the seventh tradition and it helps pay for rent, coffee, and literature. They decline monetary donations from outside enterprises. This way no politics are involved. No one can say, since we give you money to keep your group running, we are going to tell you how to run it.

I should mention as well, although it' s common for meeting places to be in church basements, AA is a spiritual program rather than a religious one.
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Oct 21, 2014 8:10 AM CST Is Religion
Kaybee50: These shelters are mostly supported by the private contributions and time of volunteers.
True, Miss. The Baptist, The Catholics, The Presbyterians and others and they also establish Hospitals and Schools. The missions can also seek federal grants and funding and receive Government surplus foods. Tons of help in America. One just needs to stay clean and sober. Willing to volunteer in social programs and one will actually gain weight while living at a mission.
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Oct 21, 2014 8:12 AM CST Is Religion
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
Hi KB, we have similar organisations which care for the poor and homeless, Simon Community, Penny Dinners, Meals on Wheels, etc.
They do great good.
Some were originally built up by religious people, some not. But it is humanity keeps them going.
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Oct 21, 2014 8:14 AM CST Is Religion
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
and I'm still waiting for an answer

German churches pay taxes?
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Oct 21, 2014 8:31 AM CST Is Religion
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
bungallow55: and I'm still waiting for an answer

German churches pay taxes?


There is nobody on here who is living in Germany? dunno
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Oct 21, 2014 8:35 AM CST Is Religion
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
mollybaby: There is nobody on here who is living in Germany?


you suppose to know you live in Europegrin
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Oct 21, 2014 8:37 AM CST Is Religion
strict
strictstricttehran, Iran5 Threads 2,018 Posts
serene56: a form of addiction

yep.just do not brainwash people since they are infants and see if mafia/politic/terrorism/ and other kind of abusers can take advantage of conditioned victims of "god selling shops"
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Oct 21, 2014 8:40 AM CST Is Religion
religion is for those who are afraid of going too hell, spirituality is for those who have been there!!


32wine
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Oct 21, 2014 8:45 AM CST Is Religion
strict
strictstricttehran, Iran5 Threads 2,018 Posts
pedro27: religion is for those who are afraid of going too hell, spirituality is for those who have been there!! 32

thumbs up
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Oct 21, 2014 8:45 AM CST Is Religion
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
"If it wasn't for all the hysterical self righteous bullying that we've been subjected to in recent years, many of us might still be labouring under the illusion that religion is relatively harmless."

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Oct 21, 2014 8:49 AM CST Is Religion
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
bodleing2: "If it wasn't for all the hysterical self righteous bullying that we've been subjected to in recent years, many of us might still be labouring under the illusion that religion is relatively harmless."


that's a dog in your pic?confused
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Oct 21, 2014 8:52 AM CST Is Religion
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
bungallow55: that's a dog in your pic?


That's so observant of you bungy...laugh
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