Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.??? ( Archived) (121)

Jan 7, 2015 2:27 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
chris27292729: Charbonnier,the owner,editor and cartoonist of the satirical magazine.
"" It may sound pompous,but i rather die standing, than live on my knees"".on threats by islamists on his life.-


Yep thumbs up
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Jan 7, 2015 2:37 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Sannu: He was a man of conviction.

So were the gunmen, I imagine.

That's why I was confused about your second paragraph. Conviction of any extreme may be contentious, sometimes in a positive way, sometimes not.

Conviction in itself, doesn't make action right, or ethical.
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Jan 7, 2015 2:42 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
unlaoised: Absolutely justified. It's called "freedom of speech"
thumbs up thumbs up Even if we don't agree with the content, it's better to have this freedom.
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Jan 7, 2015 2:48 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
Sannu
SannuSannuLondon, Greater London, England UK114 Posts
jac_the_gripper: So were the gunmen, I imagine.

That's why I was confused about your second paragraph. Conviction of any extreme may be contentious, sometimes in a positive way, sometimes not.

Conviction in itself, doesn't make action right, or ethical.


Conviction v Terrorism = new thread.
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Jan 7, 2015 2:52 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
rohaan: Even if we don't agree with the content, it's better to have this freedom.


thumbs up

Hey honeypie wave teddybear
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Jan 7, 2015 2:52 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Sannu: Conviction v Terrorism = new thread.

Go ahead if you feel it can't be discussed here.

There are 1,000 posts available here, however. I doubt this thread will run out of space if it were to be discussed here...and you did raise the subject of conviction and contention in your posts here. dunno
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Jan 7, 2015 2:53 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Charbonier convictions,were RIGHT and ETHICAL'
Right = Upholding the rights of press freedom to.CRITISIZE.
Ethical=As others had the right to critisize his religious believes,
or non believes,so was his right to critisize the believes of others.-JMO
jac_the_gripper: So were the gunmen, I imagine.

That's why I was confused about your second paragraph. Conviction of any extreme may be contentious, sometimes in a positive way, sometimes not.

Conviction in itself, doesn't make action right, or ethical.
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Jan 7, 2015 2:57 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
rohaan: Even if we don't agree with the content, it's better to have this freedom.

Your. black or white????
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Jan 7, 2015 2:59 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
chris27292729: Your. black or white????


confused
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Jan 7, 2015 3:00 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
chris27292729: Your. black or white????


Redo...is that you? rolling on the floor laughing
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Jan 7, 2015 3:01 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
Mauss: Conrad! You wind up merchant You just want to drag MD in here so we can listen for the next 3weeks how much he loves the man

don't think there is any Love lost there!
But it is so absurd looking at what just happened in Paris,then seeing Erdogan's cockeyed Statement!grin
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Jan 7, 2015 3:02 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
2girlsnocup
2girlsnocup2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK28 Threads 1 Polls 2,621 Posts
chris27292729: Todays attack in Paris by islamists,killing Frence satirical newspaper's cartoonists,for criticizing Islam and its Prophet,was justified???

Yes it was??


No it was not??


It was an overreaction by brainwashed morons. Ironic when they claim Islam is the religion of peace.

If the same was to be done over Christianity or any other non islamic religion, just think how few films would be made. We'd lose The Life of Brian for starters.

I'd hate to think what they'd do if they ever visited a few sites I frequent. They'd try and blow up the Internet!


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Jan 7, 2015 3:03 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
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Jan 7, 2015 3:03 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
chris27292729: Charbonier convictions,were RIGHT and ETHICAL'
Right = Upholding the rights of press freedom to.CRITISIZE.
Ethical=As others had the right to critisize his religious believes,
or non believes,so was his right to critisize the believes of others.-JMO

I've not seen the content of his work, so I couldn't judge.

I was more referring to your two questions in your title and OP, as well as Sannu's contributions.

Both seem to have strong convictions and both are perhaps contentious. For me, it is action which is in question.

Freedom of expression (a perhaps more inclusive term than freedom of speech) for me would not include violence unless it could be justified with self-defence (unlikely to be the case in this instance).

Freedom of expression which incites, or may incite harm to others is possible with satire, cartoons and journalism.

If we have two sides, both of who have strong convictions are being contentious, then perhaps the best recourse is negotiation and compromise, not violence, stubbornness and hatred from either side. dunno
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Jan 7, 2015 3:06 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
No this is Chris from IOS island..
"Your black or White" was for someone else.-laugh
unlaoised: Redo...is that you?
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Jan 7, 2015 3:30 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
unlaoised: Hey honeypie
Hi sugarbooger--a little news. I have decided to add a new little member to my family this year. Can you guess (?)
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Jan 7, 2015 3:35 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
It's quiet confusion to understand the need to advocate violence and stand behind a cause.

When people are charged and arrested for offenses - in this case the attack in Paris, does their ideology become a reasonable defense?

Can any person who comes before a court of law say that my religious beliefs say it was not a crime and I am not guilty of any crime?

That is the question to consider.
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Jan 7, 2015 3:36 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
2girlsnocup
2girlsnocup2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK28 Threads 1 Polls 2,621 Posts
rohaan: Hi sugarbooger--a little news. I have decided to add a new little member to my family this year. Can you guess (?)

giggle innocent
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Jan 7, 2015 3:38 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
rohaan: Hi sugarbooger--a little news. I have decided to add a new little member to my family this year. Can you guess (?)


Tell me!!!! conversing
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Jan 7, 2015 3:39 PM CST Have journalist and cartoonists the right to critisize religion.???
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,516 Posts
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