Death Penalty (39)
SandraYelitzza2: I want everybody's opinion on it, are you guys up for it or against it?? Tell me the pros and cons you guys see on having or not having a death penalty, why or why not and so on....
Me: I am personally up for it, I believe in "an eye for an eye" and of course it wont take back what has been taken from the victims... But I think I mostly see pros than cons on death penalty. I'm up for all answers, and I'm sure you guys would keep them quite interesting... ;)
I am for it in cases where there is absolutely no doubt about the crime having been committed by the person being executed (as in the killers "In Cold Blood"). What makes capital punishment problematic is that there ARE innocent people executed. One, is too many, in my opinion. So, I, too, am "up for it", as long as there is no doubt at all---way, way, way beyond the reasonable doubt theory, actually.Me: I am personally up for it, I believe in "an eye for an eye" and of course it wont take back what has been taken from the victims... But I think I mostly see pros than cons on death penalty. I'm up for all answers, and I'm sure you guys would keep them quite interesting... ;)
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Death penalty or these supermax prisons are not inhuman. There are reasons for those sentences in the western countries, they are not just for fun, You have to do something very bad to get them. If someone wants to kill another person, he/she must get harsh sentence. Severe crimes are your own decision and your responsibility if you decide to do them...
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Im totally for it,provided there is no doubt and that the crime merits said penalty of death,,though it is giving the scum the easy way out,,maybe starve them in a cold dark dungeon for a few months first. Killers and suchlike dont just take a victims life,they cause eternal pain to the families of victims also...
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rohaan: I am for it in cases where there is absolutely no doubt about the crime having been committed by the person being executed (as in the killers "In Cold Blood"). What makes capital punishment problematic is that there ARE innocent people executed. One, is too many, in my opinion. So, I, too, am "up for it", as long as there is no doubt at all---way, way, way beyond the reasonable doubt theory, actually.
this seems to make the most sense to me so far. I am also against it unless there is no shadow of a doubt. too many innocents have sat on death row...what if they had been executed?
not a lot of innocents mind you, but wrongly executing even one person is too many. it is too easy to make a mistake. Prison is not a place where anyone is going to be rehabilitated or "corrected: in anyway. Those are fantasies. FYI to those who have mentioned rehabilitation.
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The major trouble with the death penalty is that their is no discrimination on the amounts the accused has murdered.
For example, if a man kills someone he may decide its best to kill more to get away.
Also, there has been cases where people was found to be not guilty due to new evidence...but by that time...it has become impossible to bring them back from the dead.
If a life sentence actually meant life in prison, then that could be an alternative. This is not so much a problem in the US as it is in the UK, where they give not so long a sentence, and people can get out of prison in half the time (on good behavior)...from a 25 year sentence for murder (a so called life sentence).
For example, if a man kills someone he may decide its best to kill more to get away.
Also, there has been cases where people was found to be not guilty due to new evidence...but by that time...it has become impossible to bring them back from the dead.
If a life sentence actually meant life in prison, then that could be an alternative. This is not so much a problem in the US as it is in the UK, where they give not so long a sentence, and people can get out of prison in half the time (on good behavior)...from a 25 year sentence for murder (a so called life sentence).
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Harryonline:
If a life sentence actually meant life in prison, then that could be an alternative. This is not so much a problem in the US as it is in the UK, where they give not so long a sentence, and people can get out of prison in half the time (on good behavior)...from a 25 year sentence for murder (a so called life sentence).
If a life sentence actually meant life in prison, then that could be an alternative. This is not so much a problem in the US as it is in the UK, where they give not so long a sentence, and people can get out of prison in half the time (on good behavior)...from a 25 year sentence for murder (a so called life sentence).
The British prison sentences are long if compared to Finnish sentences. It's ridiculous that in Finland a person who has murdered someone may be free after 10 years in prison. It's rare here if someone is going to be in prison 20 years...
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Henckaa91: The British prison sentences are long if compared to Finnish sentences. It's ridiculous that in Finland a person who has murdered someone may be free after 10 years in prison. It's rare here if someone is going to be in prison 20 years...
In Finland, you may have less violent crime ? less crimes in general ?
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Harryonline: In Finland, you may have less violent crime ? less crimes in general ?
We have a lot of violent crimes here, unfortunately.
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Henckaa91: We have a lot of violent crimes here, unfortunately.
Is Norway a neighbor of Finland ? I was reading they are a rich country (which is not very well known) how about their crime rates ? saying that white collar is not very much busted through or known about...the police chase the small fish still
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Everybody dies so why wouldn't we rather see a crimmo suffer for many, many years before they do?
We should make life in these kind of prisons so horrible, so far beneath the quality of life the inmates were used to, that to finish them would be a mercy killing. The bravest would attempt suicide and the lucky ones would die first.
We should make life in these kind of prisons so horrible, so far beneath the quality of life the inmates were used to, that to finish them would be a mercy killing. The bravest would attempt suicide and the lucky ones would die first.
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Some of you people have a very different aspect on death ...
So my point here is, you have been convicted for some crimes ( don`t want to go in to details) Capital punishment,the way I see it, we are giving them a easy way out ...Yeah I know that they ,some of them wait for year for execution,and they are going trough hell but...the crime rates are increasing ...why??? Imprisonment ,death penalty , mutilation( the way we dealt with " criminals in the past) ,obviously do not work ...
So my point here is, you have been convicted for some crimes ( don`t want to go in to details) Capital punishment,the way I see it, we are giving them a easy way out ...Yeah I know that they ,some of them wait for year for execution,and they are going trough hell but...the crime rates are increasing ...why??? Imprisonment ,death penalty , mutilation( the way we dealt with " criminals in the past) ,obviously do not work ...
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Obstinance_Works: Everybody dies so why wouldn't we rather see a crimmo suffer for many, many years before they do?
We should make life in these kind of prisons so horrible, so far beneath the quality of life the inmates were used to, that to finish them would be a mercy killing. The bravest would attempt suicide and the lucky ones would die first.
We should make life in these kind of prisons so horrible, so far beneath the quality of life the inmates were used to, that to finish them would be a mercy killing. The bravest would attempt suicide and the lucky ones would die first.
or... turn them into... Soylent Green!
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SweetOfMilk: or... turn them into... Soylent Green!
Some things are useful but someone who faces death row isn't.
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SweetOfMilk: All the time? Hmmm... My friend J told me that one time his son bike was missing. apparently someone took it, the next day it was returned.
Unfortunately these violent acts are common here, especially if it is the weekend and people are drunk. A lot of violent happens also without alcohol too but alcohol is a big reason for many violent crimes but of course that does not mean that all people are like that.
But yes, the Finns are very honest people and if you lost something you have much better change to get it back here than in many other countries.
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Ccincy: Oh my All the time? I'm surprised there is anyone left to tell about it.
I mean often. Not everyday but often 
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felixis99: this seems to make the most sense to me so far. I am also against it unless there is no shadow of a doubt. too many innocents have sat on death row...what if they had been executed?
not a lot of innocents mind you, but wrongly executing even one person is too many. it is too easy to make a mistake. Prison is not a place where anyone is going to be rehabilitated or "corrected: in anyway. Those are fantasies. FYI to those who have mentioned rehabilitation.
In my line of work I treated (medically) a number of mandated clients. The most successful rehabilitation units were those commonly known as "halfway houses". The culprit was allowed to come and go for work related and/or health related needs. He or she did not lose their job or home, etc... but of course, the parameters were very strict. There were allowances for furlough, but just a very little. For some reason, this system, no not completely successful, seemed to "do the trick". I believe it was because of the routine normalization with the restrictive environment. (This was not for capital crimes, of course. Usually for drug use, theft, etc...Armed robbery and assault still required full jail. )not a lot of innocents mind you, but wrongly executing even one person is too many. it is too easy to make a mistake. Prison is not a place where anyone is going to be rehabilitated or "corrected: in anyway. Those are fantasies. FYI to those who have mentioned rehabilitation.
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rohaan: In my line of work I treated (medically) a number of mandated clients. The most successful rehabilitation units were those commonly known as "halfway houses". The culprit was allowed to come and go for work related and/or health related needs. He or she did not lose their job or home, etc... but of course, the parameters were very strict. There were allowances for furlough, but just a very little. For some reason, this system, no not completely successful, seemed to "do the trick". I believe it was because of the routine normalization with the restrictive environment. (This was not for capital crimes, of course. Usually for drug use, theft, etc...Armed robbery and assault still required full jail. )
Oh, I should have mentioned that there were also cases of manslaughter which only required the half-way house incarceration. It's odd how killing someone can sometimes be a lesser sentence than just a "stupid idiot" type crime. I personally would think that manslaughter would be worse than indiscriminate drug use. The systems are all cattywampus.------ This thread is Archived ------
death penalty and imprisonment are used wrongly. imho.
i ve seen people come as worse out of time of prison.
but death penalty don't work.
I believe in the offer of free euthanasia to those offered the death penalty or lifelong.
I believe in death penalty for people make fraud around the millions and losing peoples life savings.
people making fraud for those amounts include dictators and drugsbarons.
I could accept Saddam Hussain being hung for stealing millions than a military poisoning.
But death for misbehaviour financially yes please
i ve seen people come as worse out of time of prison.
but death penalty don't work.
I believe in the offer of free euthanasia to those offered the death penalty or lifelong.
I believe in death penalty for people make fraud around the millions and losing peoples life savings.
people making fraud for those amounts include dictators and drugsbarons.
I could accept Saddam Hussain being hung for stealing millions than a military poisoning.
But death for misbehaviour financially yes please
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i sure wouldn't want to be a juror on a death penalty case. but i live in canada...so wouldn't happen.
and while i wonder about it all...
it got me thinking of Canada's Clifford Olsen, who passed away Sep 2011.
in 1981 prior to confessing to many murders, the Canadian government gave his wife $10,000 per body for Olsen's help in locating 11 bodies of the children he murdered. she received $100,000. he said, "the last one was a freebie".
1982 Olsen confesses and pleads guilty.
1981-2011 he was housed in a canadian prison till he died at age 71.
He also received two government cheques each month after the age of 65, totalling $1,169.47 for OAS and GIS.
the math:
100,000 to wife
300,000 30 yrs x $100,00
84,000 govt benefits
cost of court appointed lawyers, court cases, police investigations and arrest - who knows...?
and add..
Olsen only spent 1501 days free since the age of 17 having a long criminal record and was incarcerated most of his life. He also scored 38/40 on Hare test check list.
tax payers paid for this. and to a self confessed serial child killer.
does make one wonder....
but at the end of the day...i think life is important. mine, yours, even his. i personally wouldn't be able to turn the switch.