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Aug 21, 2018 1:55 PM CST Does the end justify the means
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
One of my friends is a high ranking customs officer, and his assessment of his officers is if they get a result. I asked him about this and he said the end justifies the means, he has caught many criminals in this area, and gives his team plenty of leeway, do you think he is right.cats meow
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Aug 21, 2018 2:06 PM CST Does the end justify the means
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
aries1234: One of my friends is a high ranking customs officer, and his assessment of his officers is if they get a result. I asked him about this and he said the end justifies the means, he has caught many criminals in this area, and gives his team plenty of leeway, do you think he is right.
i am interested in your feelings about the ethics of his approachcats meow
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Aug 21, 2018 2:16 PM CST Does the end justify the means
Harbal
HarbalHarbalSouth Yorkshire, England UK49 Threads 3 Polls 2,248 Posts
If you are asking if any possible means of achieving an end is justifiable as long as it is successful, then no, as a principle, the end obviously does not justify the means. If you are talking about a specific situation, then it depends on the end and the means by which it was achieved. Self evident, really. dunno
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Aug 21, 2018 2:22 PM CST Does the end justify the means
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
Harbal: If you are asking if any possible means of achieving an end is justifiable as long as it is successful, then no, as a principle, the end obviously does not justify the means. If you are talking about a specific situation, then it depends on the end and the means by which it was achieved. Self evident, really.
I did indicate a general approach by my friend. but thank you for your contributioncats meow
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Aug 21, 2018 2:34 PM CST Does the end justify the means
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
I was about to ask what methods he used? dunno

E.g. does he use sniffer dogs who are trained to kill the guilty ones?

Does he put drugs in their bags so he can accuse them afterwards?
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Aug 21, 2018 2:38 PM CST Does the end justify the means
Bearwoman
BearwomanBearwomanNorthgate, Ohio USA9 Threads 3,267 Posts
It would all depend on what he did to achieve by instructing his officers of ways to get the expected result.
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Aug 21, 2018 2:42 PM CST Does the end justify the means
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
daniela777: I was about to ask what methods he used?

E.g. does he use sniffer dogs who are trained to kill the guilty ones?

Does he put drugs in their bags so he can accuse them afterwards?
No darling he used correct procedure but he didn't tie the hands of his officers . they could use and pay informants and generally outwit the smugglers, with under cover people.cats meow
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Aug 21, 2018 2:45 PM CST Does the end justify the means
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Of course the ends always justify the means. People mimed at Live Aid, didn't they? what more proof do you need
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Aug 21, 2018 2:48 PM CST Does the end justify the means
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
ChesneyChrist: Of course the ends always justify the means. People mimed at Live Aid, didn't they? what more proof do you need
laugh laugh laugh laugh rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing Nice one Rumplescats meow
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Aug 21, 2018 2:50 PM CST Does the end justify the means
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
aries1234: No darling he used correct procedure but he didn't tie the hands of his officers . they could use and pay informants and generally outwit the smugglers, with under cover people.
It all sounds good...by the sound of it but...
What about if some have psychopath tendencies ?
When given carte Blanche they might overuse their power? dunno

It's a bit like given a gun to someone who tends to be trigger happy and give them a licence to kill.devil
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Aug 21, 2018 2:54 PM CST Does the end justify the means
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
daniela777: It all sounds good...by the sound of it but...
What about if some have psychopath tendencies ?
When given carte Blanche they might overuse their power?

It's a bit like given a gun to someone who tends to be trigger happy and give them a licence to kill.
I've never heard of any of his team blowing any ones head off, but maybe some of the drug dealers deserve itcats meow
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Aug 21, 2018 2:54 PM CST Does the end justify the means
M4_Mischief
M4_MischiefM4_MischiefBelleville, Ontario Canada6,250 Posts
In the pursuit of criminals sure as long as its ethical and not outside of the law......wine
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Aug 21, 2018 2:56 PM CST Does the end justify the means
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
M4_Mischief: In the pursuit of criminals sure as long as its ethical and not outside of the law......
That was his argument to mecats meow
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Aug 21, 2018 3:00 PM CST Does the end justify the means
M4_Mischief
M4_MischiefM4_MischiefBelleville, Ontario Canada6,250 Posts
Like the "mr big" stings....they walk a fine line but they generally get their man........wine
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Aug 21, 2018 3:05 PM CST Does the end justify the means
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
M4_Mischief: Like the "mr big" stings....they walk a fine line but they generally get their man........
Yes babywine cats meow
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Aug 21, 2018 4:18 PM CST Does the end justify the means
MsContessa
MsContessaMsContessaMayo, Ireland24 Threads 1,227 Posts
aries1234: One of my friends is a high ranking customs officer, and his assessment of his officers is if they get a result. I asked him about this and he said the end justifies the means, he has caught many criminals in this area, and gives his team plenty of leeway, do you think he is right.
Yes, if the end goal is well-meaning, any mean to achieve that end is acceptable
on condition that both ends and means are honourable and virtuous.
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