Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks ( Archived) (49)

Mar 11, 2019 7:23 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
Bit late for the 346 already dead passengers and crew...

Updates to manouvering, flight system control law, pilot displays, operations and crew manuals.

It rather looks like Boeing did the 'cheapskate gaming software developer trick' and unleashed a Beta System - y'know, where they release it and let the punters find the bugs and report back because lots of punters playing games in real life is a lot faster, cheaper and far more effective at finding bugs than 'in house' testing prior to launch.

Wonders if the investigation will go deep as to seek out 'what was known' by Boeing before sales were launched?

But ... well, how can a company of that size actually 'be punished' if / when they put profits ahead of safety?
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Mar 12, 2019 12:21 AM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
I wouldn't be getting on one.
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Mar 12, 2019 4:36 AM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
charles_nz: I wouldn't be getting on one.
Nor anyone else who'd not choose to play RUssian Roulette !

The US FAA have ordered multiple mandatory changes ... yet insist the ship is fit to fly ?

And of course NZ (as usual) toes the US line ...

At this stage it's probably possible to argue that any future crashes are 'predictable or foreseeable events' which might let Boeing's Insurers off the hook ! Average award is between 1 and 3 million USD ... that's around 700 million payout plus the costs of the lost aircraft and the loss of revenue to the operators ... and perhaps also 'loss of reputation'
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Mar 12, 2019 9:58 AM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
methuzelah
methuzelahmethuzelahTampa, Florida USA296 Threads 1,633 Posts
the 737 is not the problem. is the men behind it.cool
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Mar 12, 2019 10:14 AM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
methuzelah
methuzelahmethuzelahTampa, Florida USA296 Threads 1,633 Posts
methuzelah: the 737 is not the problem. is the men behind it.
it is called, sabotagecool
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Mar 12, 2019 12:13 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
KarloradoFL
KarloradoFLKarloradoFLDeLeon Springs, Florida USA50 Threads 3 Polls 9,475 Posts
One of my airplane vloggers:
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Mar 12, 2019 12:51 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
KarloradoFL: One of my airplane vloggers:
All 737Max, have been bannrd from European airspace, for the forseable future.
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Mar 12, 2019 1:57 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
saidmahmoud
saidmahmoudsaidmahmoudHamburg Mitte, Hamburg Germany3 Threads 1 Polls 1,593 Posts
aries1234: All 737Max, have been bannrd from European airspace, for the forseable future.
youhouooooooo
Brexit fail & UK remain in the EUlaugh
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Mar 12, 2019 1:59 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
saidmahmoud
saidmahmoudsaidmahmoudHamburg Mitte, Hamburg Germany3 Threads 1 Polls 1,593 Posts
Waves of plumbers on the waybanana
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Mar 12, 2019 2:01 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
saidmahmoud
saidmahmoudsaidmahmoudHamburg Mitte, Hamburg Germany3 Threads 1 Polls 1,593 Posts
aries1234
you lost
rolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 12, 2019 2:04 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
saidmahmoud: aries1234
you lost
Weneed more plumbers, wedidn't lose all going to plan.
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Mar 12, 2019 2:08 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
Butcher559
Butcher559Butcher559Whangarei, Northland New Zealand13 Threads 1 Polls 750 Posts
Is anyone sueing boeing over these crashes ? they need to be taken down for errors like that.
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Mar 12, 2019 2:11 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
saidmahmoud
saidmahmoudsaidmahmoudHamburg Mitte, Hamburg Germany3 Threads 1 Polls 1,593 Posts
aries1234: Weneed more plumbers, wedidn't lose all going to plan.
I know you are quite upset
but you'll use to have plumbers watching
1 for your wife
1 for your girlfriend
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Mar 12, 2019 2:13 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
aries1234
aries1234aries1234plymout, Devon, England UK175 Threads 3 Polls 5,672 Posts
saidmahmoud: I know you are quite upset
but you'll use to have plumbers watching
1 for your wife
1 for your girlfriend
Who you will never know they don't like people like youprofessor rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 12, 2019 2:18 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
Butcher559: Is anyone sueing boeing over these crashes ? they need to be taken down for errors like that.
Early days for that yet - but it will certainly happen. As I said earlier usual payout is 1 to 3 million US$ per life lost, plus the cost of the aircraft, plus loss of revenue + loss of reputation of the carrier.

The FAA say on the hand 'It's safe to fly' yet on the other have 'mandated software and system changes'. Dianne Feinstein has said the only intelligent thing I heard her say in decades - asking for them all to be grounded.

I suspect a different outcome if one crashed on US territory or if this had involved foreign (ie non US built) aircraft ... Let's hope and pray no more lives are lost.



sad flower for those who have lost people close to them
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Mar 12, 2019 2:18 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
saidmahmoud
saidmahmoudsaidmahmoudHamburg Mitte, Hamburg Germany3 Threads 1 Polls 1,593 Posts
aries1234: Who you will never know they don't like people like you
am not plumber
transporterdancing
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Mar 12, 2019 2:30 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
saidmahmoud: am not plumber
transporter
Could you show some respect and keep on topic - Thanks!
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Mar 12, 2019 2:35 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
Butcher559
Butcher559Butcher559Whangarei, Northland New Zealand13 Threads 1 Polls 750 Posts
Boeing should pull out of making planes, they are better at making weapons than making planes.
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Mar 12, 2019 3:03 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
Butcher559: Boeing should pull out of making planes, they are better at making weapons than making planes.
rolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 12, 2019 3:11 PM CST Boeing to 'Upgrade' software across the 737MAX Fleet in coming weeks
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
Butcher559: Boeing should pull out of making planes, they are better at making weapons than making planes.
I'd not have thought they were 'that bad' ... but speaking of weapons - there's a whole raft of their new military aircraft that have been pulled from service due to problems with foreign bodies in the fuel system! And Lockheed are years overdue on the new F35 ... which also has a defect list that runs into hundreds (according to engineering staff ) but Congress winnowed it down to 100 ... cos they know better than engineers - right!!!

Trump said something interesting - about aircraft having become 'TOO complex' ?
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