Is the fall of the west is close? (37)
Noticing that few seem to get the nature of the question I will withhold my answer, only to say that China, India have been the periphery of the west for some time, there is no eastern civilization left to rise to replace the west in absolute or relative terms. Naturally, everything does eventually fall to pieces.
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when will the s hit the fan
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Grandsiozzie: Yea, maybe soon the east will be the new west.
not in a billion of years, Ozzie. East will never become West.East has more value of traditions, and more family oriented. Different values in two words.
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Since about one month we have a new Dutch Government. And one of their main principles is to get more immigrants. WTF, 1000's of people are waiting 15 years or longer for a house, while the fugitives and immigrants get an house as soon as they cross the border and are allowed to leave the asylumcentre.
The Netherlands is in the top 30 of the most overcrowded countries in the world. Not shocking maybe, but if you realize that the Randstad, a small part of the country containing cities like The Hague, Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Utrecht has almost 50% of our population, in an area that might be a fifth of the total surface of the country, it is shocking. Traffic jams there every day, so they keep building and broading highways.
But from the young people we expect them to live by there parens till they 30.
Unless they have studied at the University and can afford to buy a house after getting a good job. But most students have debts, so the bank won't give them a mortgage til they payed of their debts for studying.
But the Gvt. of the Netherlands says: Let all people from Africa and the Middle East come to us.
And there is a reason: Money. More people means more money from the European Union, more taxmoney, so they can spend more.
But who thinks the Netherlands is a nice place to live, guess again and don't come over. Not only it's cold, the summers are wet, it's overcrowded, healthcare is expensive (people are forced to have an health-insurance of over 100 euro's a month and then still the first 385 euro's are on your own risk).
One of the strongest corona laws. While in Germany and Belgium the horeca was open, in the Netherlands all was closed. During the first lock-down policemen had a tape measure (google translate...) with them and people who were 1.40m from each other where 1.50 was the rule were fined. Also students living in the same house and relaxing in the park were find because the distance wasn't 1.5 m. Wtf, In their home they hardly could keep a distance of 1m.
Now we have the 3G corona-pass, I didn't take the booster, so I ain't welcome at concerts, horeca, the chessclub etc.
They're giving away the west, and it's good Poland and Hungary and more East-European countries don't coöperate.
The Netherlands is in the top 30 of the most overcrowded countries in the world. Not shocking maybe, but if you realize that the Randstad, a small part of the country containing cities like The Hague, Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Utrecht has almost 50% of our population, in an area that might be a fifth of the total surface of the country, it is shocking. Traffic jams there every day, so they keep building and broading highways.
But from the young people we expect them to live by there parens till they 30.
Unless they have studied at the University and can afford to buy a house after getting a good job. But most students have debts, so the bank won't give them a mortgage til they payed of their debts for studying.
But the Gvt. of the Netherlands says: Let all people from Africa and the Middle East come to us.
And there is a reason: Money. More people means more money from the European Union, more taxmoney, so they can spend more.
But who thinks the Netherlands is a nice place to live, guess again and don't come over. Not only it's cold, the summers are wet, it's overcrowded, healthcare is expensive (people are forced to have an health-insurance of over 100 euro's a month and then still the first 385 euro's are on your own risk).
One of the strongest corona laws. While in Germany and Belgium the horeca was open, in the Netherlands all was closed. During the first lock-down policemen had a tape measure (google translate...) with them and people who were 1.40m from each other where 1.50 was the rule were fined. Also students living in the same house and relaxing in the park were find because the distance wasn't 1.5 m. Wtf, In their home they hardly could keep a distance of 1m.
Now we have the 3G corona-pass, I didn't take the booster, so I ain't welcome at concerts, horeca, the chessclub etc.
They're giving away the west, and it's good Poland and Hungary and more East-European countries don't coöperate.
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LeeCharming: Do you think the west is falling?
What do you think is the reason for the west falling?
I will be posting more videos and discuss my views
Anxiety and a certain love of petty power. An ignorant meddling with a new low of interfering but you don't really understand anybody's lives. We don't have things in common and yet a tyrannical bureaucracy is here to hammer the splinters. It becomes more judgemental as it becomes less and less possible to judge accurately. Instead of things in common we have a tyrannical centrist bureaucracy. Lies, damned lies and statistics that don't appreciate the context or the truth about anything or anyone. Ignorant judgementalism fueled by anxiety and a love of petty power.What do you think is the reason for the west falling?
I will be posting more videos and discuss my views
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Authoritarianism from completely and entirely unworthy authorities. The chalk judges the cheese. The culture changes through technology and we are left with a digital dictatorship playing catch up. But it never does catch up, it just grabs power and expands it's jurisdiction over things it knows nothing about.
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ChesneyChrist: Authoritarianism from completely and entirely unworthy authorities. The chalk judges the cheese. The culture changes through technology and we are left with a digital dictatorship playing catch up. But it never does catch up, it just grabs power and expands it's jurisdiction over things it knows nothing about.
This is the state of pre-death emergency. All of western values and principles, the sanctity of the individual etc give out to political expedience. Tyranny arises to keep up with change although it never does.------ This thread is Archived ------
And we are not wrong to call the anti-vaxxers ignorant, it's just that the authorities are no better. If it suited the authorities they would argue that doctors are trying to murder people with vaccines. They would also make the rule out of the exception if it suited them. The authorities are utterly ignorant savage people who know nothing of their own limits.
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Not Fall, but certainly a definite decline. Global rise of populism, Authoritarian governments (do I need to enumerate them?), global intransigence, disappearance of collaborative representation.
John Keane, author and Professor of Politics, The University of Sydney.
“The shortest history of democracy” is published by Black Inc Books.
John Keane, author and Professor of Politics, The University of Sydney.
“The shortest history of democracy” is published by Black Inc Books.
In response to: In a time of grave uncertainty about the future of our planet, the radical potential of democracy is more important than ever.
From its beginnings in Syria-Mesopotamia – and not Athens – to its role in fomenting revolutionary fervour in France and America, democracy has subverted fixed ways of deciding who should enjoy power and privilege, and why. For democracy encourages people to do something radical- to come together as equals, to determine their own lives and futures.
In this vigorous, illuminating history, acclaimed political thinker John Keane traces its byzantine history, from the age of assembly democracy in Athens, to European-inspired electoral democracy and the birth of representative government, to our age of monitory democracy. He gives new reasons why democracy is a precious global ideal, and shows that as the world has come to be shaped by democracy, it has grown more worldly – American-style liberal democracy is giving way to regional varieties with a local character in places such as Taiwan, India, Senegal and South Africa.
In an age of cascading crises, we need the radical potential of democracy more than ever. Does it have a future, or will the demagogues and despots win? We are about to find out.
From its beginnings in Syria-Mesopotamia – and not Athens – to its role in fomenting revolutionary fervour in France and America, democracy has subverted fixed ways of deciding who should enjoy power and privilege, and why. For democracy encourages people to do something radical- to come together as equals, to determine their own lives and futures.
In this vigorous, illuminating history, acclaimed political thinker John Keane traces its byzantine history, from the age of assembly democracy in Athens, to European-inspired electoral democracy and the birth of representative government, to our age of monitory democracy. He gives new reasons why democracy is a precious global ideal, and shows that as the world has come to be shaped by democracy, it has grown more worldly – American-style liberal democracy is giving way to regional varieties with a local character in places such as Taiwan, India, Senegal and South Africa.
In an age of cascading crises, we need the radical potential of democracy more than ever. Does it have a future, or will the demagogues and despots win? We are about to find out.
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Thank The Almighty for NSA because they see and hear everything.
They made copies and gave them to all the leaders of the world.
The evil in the world is falling, not people or countries.
Let there be peace.
imho
They made copies and gave them to all the leaders of the world.
The evil in the world is falling, not people or countries.
Let there be peace.
imho
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NAKEDMUDPEOPLE: Thank The Almighty for NSA because they see and hear everything.
They made copies and gave them to all the leaders of the world.
The evil in the world is falling, not people or countries.
Let there be peace.
imho
What does NSA stand for?They made copies and gave them to all the leaders of the world.
The evil in the world is falling, not people or countries.
Let there be peace.
imho
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LeeCharming: is the fall of the west close?
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snowlynx: What does NSA stand for?
No strings attached?Ooops, wrong site....
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the boys are back in town
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LeeCharming: is the fall of the west close?
No Americans have guns.
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