What about Germany and it's arms spendings? ( Archived) (56)

Mar 14, 2022 2:09 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst
JaavisstJaavisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden96 Threads 22 Polls 707 Posts
I have concern about Germany, that they have taken a decision to greatly build up their army again.
This can in the future have a very destabilizing effect because of old enemies England and France and the history between them.
Why they even are allowed by USA is strange.
Are we seeing fourth reich coming to life?
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Mar 14, 2022 2:33 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Tiger_Moth
Tiger_MothTiger_MothYeovil, Somerset, England UK23 Threads 2,833 Posts
Jaavisst: I have concern about Germany, that they have taken a decision to greatly build up their army again.
This can in the future have a very destabilizing effect because of old enemies England and France and the history between them.
Why they even are allowed by USA is strange.
Are we seeing fourth reich coming to life?
Well the way Russia seems to be trying to take over who can blame them.

Putin won't bend and frankly my concern is when will he start using nukes ,as he's determined to win at all costs with no concern for the innocents caught up in this war.

So many people denying the hospital attack yet this morning we are told the pregnant woman lifted out on a stretcher who was wounded in the bombing has died ,so 2 innocent lives gone.sigh
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Mar 14, 2022 2:43 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
Jaavisst: I have concern about Germany, that they have taken a decision to greatly build up their army again.
This can in the future have a very destabilizing effect because of old enemies England and France and the history between them.
Why they even are allowed by USA is strange.
Are we seeing fourth reich coming to life?
What about it? Why would a NATO member need "to be allowed" by the US to increase it's budget spending? Even before his election, Biden called on the European allies to invest more into weapons. It is hoped that increasing defence spending by it's European members can further defuse the transatlantic dispute over fairer burden-sharing within the alliance. 19 of the 27 NATO member states have increased their military spending in 2020.

The USA, China, India, Russia and Great Britain have upgraded their arsenal of weapons in 2021 the most. These five countries account for 62 percent of global military investment. Germany is seventh behind Saudi Arabia - the UK has a bigger investment into weapons than Germany has.

Only nine EU countries achieved the target of spending two percent of their gross domestic product (GDP) on defence by 2024 - Germany wasn't one of them. Germany has put less and less money into their army for many years. The Ukrainian war is a wake up call for them as for many other countries to increase spending to be able to defend themselves.
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Mar 14, 2022 2:44 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst
JaavisstJaavisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden96 Threads 22 Polls 707 Posts
Tiger_Moth: Well the way Russia seems to be trying to take over who can blame them.

Putin won't bend and frankly my concern is when will he start using nukes ,as he's determined to win at all costs with no concern for the innocents caught up in this war.

So many people denying the hospital attack yet this morning we are told the pregnant woman lifted out on a stretcher who was wounded in the bombing has died ,so 2 innocent lives gone.
One of them actually gave birth to a baby girl later and are just fine!
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Mar 14, 2022 3:05 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Tiger_Moth
Tiger_MothTiger_MothYeovil, Somerset, England UK23 Threads 2,833 Posts
Jaavisst: One of them actually gave birth to a baby girl later and are just fine!
Yes the one some people on here said was used to spread propaganda, though why they would imagine a woman about to give birth would do that is beyond me.sigh

Saying one woman managed to make it but the other one died is a totally uncaring comment in my opinion.


All lives matter ,or should.

scold
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Mar 14, 2022 3:07 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Circlip
CirclipCirclipNottingham, Nottinghamshire, England UK22 Threads 826 Posts
Jaavisst: One of them actually gave birth to a baby girl later and are just fine!
So all's well that ends well?
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Mar 14, 2022 3:56 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst: I have concern about Germany, that they have taken a decision to greatly build up their army again.
This can in the future have a very destabilizing effect because of old enemies England and France and the history between them.
Why they even are allowed by USA is strange.
Are we seeing fourth reich coming to life?
aren't you a bit confuddled?
Last time I checked,Germany is a sovereign Country within the EU,member of NATO!
Furthermore,since there is no EU-Armed Force in Existence,it is up to its Memberstates to organize their National Defense!
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Mar 14, 2022 4:54 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Tiger_Moth: Yes the one some people on here said was used to spread propaganda, though why they would imagine a woman about to give birth would do that is beyond me.

Saying one woman managed to make it but the other one died is a totally uncaring comment in my opinion.


All lives matter ,or should.
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Mar 14, 2022 7:56 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst
JaavisstJaavisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden96 Threads 22 Polls 707 Posts
Conrad73: aren't you a bit confuddled?
Last time I checked,Germany is a sovereign Country within the EU,member of NATO!
Furthermore,since there is no EU-Armed Force in Existence,it is up to its Memberstates to organize their National Defense!
Well they do have a bit of a tarnished record with their armed forces. And for what do they need to defend them self from? You think Russia will attack Germany, really!
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Mar 14, 2022 8:15 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Jaavisst: I have concern about Germany, that they have taken a decision to greatly build up their army again.
This can in the future have a very destabilizing effect because of old enemies England and France and the history between them.
Why they even are allowed by USA is strange.
Are we seeing fourth reich coming to life?
Never liked a standing army regardless of the country for which it stands. But Russia and China march around like the 1930s I can't see them demilitarizing anytime soon. Obviously there's something historically not normal about pop music or eating in a restaurant and I think we are going to need more than excellent customer service to beat the dark forces that threaten our European life with eternal night.
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Mar 14, 2022 9:39 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
Jaavisst: Well they do have a bit of a tarnished record with their armed forces. And for what do they need to defend them self from? You think Russia will attack Germany, really!
Germany had a border with Russia before (DDR).

Ukraine isn't a NATO member but other Eastern European countries are and if Putin goes for any of them, the NATO pact will be triggered and they all will have to fight. I hope they prepare themselves for that scenario.

I would more worried with Russia, North Korea, China and Middle Eastern countries increasing their arsenal. Germany has no nuclear weapons, contrary to some of the afore mentioned.
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Mar 14, 2022 9:43 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst: Well they do have a bit of a tarnished record with their armed forces. And for what do they need to defend them self from? You think Russia will attack Germany, really!
you are still confuddled!
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Mar 14, 2022 12:25 PM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst
JaavisstJaavisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden96 Threads 22 Polls 707 Posts
KNenagh: Germany had a border with Russia before (DDR).

Ukraine isn't a NATO member but other Eastern European countries are and if Putin goes for any of them, the NATO pact will be triggered and they all will have to fight. I hope they prepare themselves for that scenario.

I would more worried with Russia, North Korea, China and Middle Eastern countries increasing their arsenal. Germany has no nuclear weapons, contrary to some of the afore mentioned.
THERE IS NUCLEAR WEOPON GERMANY B61 strategical about 200 US bombs in Europe.
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Mar 15, 2022 1:24 PM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Allegria46
Allegria46Allegria46Darmstadt, Hessen Germany30 Threads 480 Posts
Just to be clear

Germany stopped the Law if you call it that that you have to do your 15 month of Armee service, God knows how many years ago.
Due to that it reduced its Weapons to such a low number, that only now with the conflict in Ukraine going on they have realized, if it would come to another WW3, there is now way the Armee would be able to defend the whole of Germany.

This of course woke some sleepy heads up and now the Armed Forces are at least trying to build itself upagain for worst case szenario.

So please check your fact, wherever you find them correctly, specialy the one that England and France are old Enemys... its a lot of cobblewobble, we live in 2022 and not in 1941 doh
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Mar 16, 2022 1:02 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst
JaavisstJaavisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden96 Threads 22 Polls 707 Posts
Allegria46: Just to be clear

Germany stopped the Law if you call it that that you have to do your 15 month of Armee service, God knows how many years ago.
Due to that it reduced its Weapons to such a low number, that only now with the conflict in Ukraine going on they have realized, if it would come to another WW3, there is now way the Armee would be able to defend the whole of Germany.

This of course woke some sleepy heads up and now the Armed Forces are at least trying to build itself upagain for worst case szenario.

So please check your fact, wherever you find them correctly, specialy the one that England and France are old Enemys... its a lot of cobblewobble, we live in 2022 and not in 1941
All of the countries now increasing their military spendings are doing this for the future. It has absolutely no effect on current situation. So if Germany creates an strong military force it's ten years away. For what they are going to need it then? Germanys attempt to destabilize Ukraine with money to Nationalists has worked and ten years from now the mighty German army will find a reason to invade somewhere again. The German psyche does not tolerate disorder and no one is better then Germans to show how it should be done! The EU union will be disolved it's just a matter of time. Brexit made sure of that. Only if everyone only speak German could it survive. We don't need a fourth reich!
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Mar 16, 2022 2:18 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Allegria46
Allegria46Allegria46Darmstadt, Hessen Germany30 Threads 480 Posts
Jaavisst: All of the countries now increasing their military spendings are doing this for the future. It has absolutely no effect on current situation. So if Germany creates an strong military force it's ten years away. For what they are going to need it then? Germanys attempt to destabilize Ukraine with money to Nationalists has worked and ten years from now the mighty German army will find a reason to invade somewhere again. The German psyche does not tolerate disorder and no one is better then Germans to show how it should be done! The EU union will be disolved it's just a matter of time. Brexit made sure of that. Only if everyone only speak German could it survive. We don't need a fourth reich!
you seriously need to change your Medication.....people with your point of view are called Reichsbürger here, and they all have these unrealistic unfounded views.
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Mar 16, 2022 3:36 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Kittian
KittianKittianPeel, Ontario Canada5 Posts
The German psyche does not tolerate disorder!! I love that line. It's so understated. HAHAHA
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Mar 16, 2022 3:52 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst
JaavisstJaavisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden96 Threads 22 Polls 707 Posts
Allegria46: you seriously need to change your Medication.....people with your point of view are called Reichsbürger here, and they all have these unrealistic unfounded views.
See! You just proved my point. You don't tolerate disorder to. You want to put me on medication!
OMG the German way! I hope you find an orderly person that suits you. I don't say that to be cruel or anything. Honestly! Swedes are basically the same actually, so I don't fit in Sweden, since I am not an ordinary person. That's what I love about Russia. They pretend to be orderly but in reality it's very chaotic!
Any problem there can be solved with a little bribe. No need for years of battle in courts. No meter maids. Double parking is the norm, transmission in neutral so people can push your car around. Everyone is friendly except people behind the cash register. No fake smiles like in the US. And much easier to make a fortune there then in the west.
I am proud the be a Reichbürger!
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Mar 16, 2022 4:45 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst
JaavisstJaavisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden96 Threads 22 Polls 707 Posts
I was thinking about the order in Sweden when I grew up and later on in life.
I have some anecdotes about some of the few times I have experienced disorder.
I was a soccer hooligan and was a member of Black Army the Stockholm team of AIK hard core fans.
I never drank alcohol but still had to stay in the same ques as those who did during the pause.
Always a straight line of people waiting for their time to order. Mostly simple working class people.
I needed for my Archaeological education to do some evening classes in Swedish and the teacher had us go to the National Theater in Stockholm.
Boring as it was to watch the show, the interlude was far from it.
All the old women, creme de la crepe society primadonnas in fur coats fighting for position at the bar was like at a scene from a disaster area.
It was surreal to see the wealthiest persons in Stockholm fight it out.
I have later understood that was a pivotal moment in my life to see the "to have people" fight over a cup of coffee and the "to have not people" line up for a beer.
I understood the concept of classes and the ruthlessness rich people have towards others.
I think it's a key thing to become "successful" and rich.

At the time I was an postal worker carrying out letters to homes.
My team was having an away game in Karlstad against their team Färjestad.
After a 6 hour journey my comrades where a bit drunk and acted accordingly on the standing only part of the arena.
Thus falling over and creating avalanches in the crowds when a goal was scored.
This was not to the local police liking's, so they repeatedly raided us and pulled people out from the crowd.
Round about the fourth assault with batons The Black Army had enough and we responded by fighting back.
In the commotion the police tried to kidnap a friend of mine.
I took a swing at one of the Police and he barely managed to duck my punch causing his ridiculous hat to sail away down the steps.
Of course I became the next target to be abducted by the Police.
Another friend of mine who was also a mail man screamed out to the Police "You can not take him, he is a civil servant with in the post office".
The Police men looked at him for a second and then released me and grabbed someone else instead.
Goes to show the pea size brain of people under stress and how easily they will follow a command and the order of things that government employees follow.
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Mar 16, 2022 4:47 AM CST What about Germany and it's arms spendings?
Jaavisst
JaavisstJaavisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden96 Threads 22 Polls 707 Posts
LOL! I wrote about burgers and Germany and now my screen is filled with German language and burger ads!
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