Where Did "Morals" Originate?? ( Archived) (69)

Nov 26, 2007 2:44 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
morals have been here for as long as people have been getting itchy backs - as in, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours - all the reasoning which we take for granted and the niceties of manners werent there in the first place, they have all gone through their own processes of evolution or refinement.

The child who doesnt conform in a group situation is soon left on the sidelines until it learns that hitting (or whatever) isnt accepted. Once the niceties become a norm for any group they start to move on - behaviour evolves as people learn what and what isnt acceptable - on a larger scale, such as society, it takes longer because more variables are entered into the equation.

You can see it in lovers, giving their best to the object of their desire - the desired outcome is harmony with that person and if both people have learned the correct behaviour its 'hey presto' success - there are lots of little nuances and refinements too but its all been learned over time from the need for the pay off - whether this is on a one to one basis or a larger scale, people eventually learn right from wrong.
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Nov 26, 2007 5:43 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
wikked
wikkedwikkedAjax, Ontario Canada655 Threads 4 Polls 6,091 Posts
If I were to agree with your theory that it comes from within....would it be a fair statement to say then you think we are all born with this "sense" of right and wrong?
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Nov 26, 2007 6:00 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
We all have heard of the Sermon on the Mount "Blessed are the Cheesemakers" but I don't know there the mushrooms (Morels) came from?

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Nov 26, 2007 6:05 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
DinaD
DinaDDinaDKingsport, Tennessee USA11 Threads 735 Posts
I wasn't sure where they came from until those very loooooong informative postings hehe..
But I often wonder where they went....
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Nov 26, 2007 6:07 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
fireliter
fireliterfireliterAllen Park, Michigan USA502 Threads 14 Polls 5,902 Posts
contrary to belief there really are no absolute rights or wrongs. unless you deem majority as having final say. a burglar a liar a cheat can all within the confines of there own reality justify what they do...

I think morals and justice should not ever be confused.


When one lives their entire life doing what is morally right they best believe that happiness and wealth are only obtained within the heart. Justice will bankrupt and destroy a morally person man in a nanosecond, if it chooses torolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 26, 2007 6:21 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
i agree ... It is geneticaly incoded in humans and powered by ages of experience of our human race.
conversing
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Nov 26, 2007 6:27 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Zeloniy
ZeloniyZeloniyRichmond, Virginia USA51 Threads 1 Polls 1,863 Posts
I don't think it's hard codded Marina ... it is inherited somewhat but mostly we pass it along to our children what's right and wrong.

Origins of justice go back to Babylon and the first written law "An eye for an eye"
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Nov 26, 2007 6:38 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
back then to those times you are talking about ... the main law was the so - called Law of Jungles. Tough times, tough morals. But even then the love and tenderness toward little kids and animals existed along with Respect for older people and friendship values.

I do believe no one invented them ... they all in our DNA. Responsibilities of parents are to teach their offsprings(by own example) ... if they do not Well ...Religion or a street gang takes everything in hands.

Yes i do agree that it is genetically inherited ( which is a prove of being incoded in DNA) That's why we have to be very careful with our choices in choosing a partner. conversing
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Nov 26, 2007 6:54 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Zeloniy
ZeloniyZeloniyRichmond, Virginia USA51 Threads 1 Polls 1,863 Posts
Morals as set of guide lines are human specific characteristics. Caring and tenderness can be witnessed in animal world. Qualities like nurture of the young and respect for elders ensures survival of the species. Morals have nothing to do with hard codded feelings.

I see what you saying though. We've evolved to obligate our selfs with morals. It's still a pattern like bird migration or passed on hunting skills and isn't genetic.
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Nov 26, 2007 8:57 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA54 Threads 2,642 Posts
Easy. Originated from the beginning of creation. We are eternal beings in one form or another. I believe that goodness is cellular.
We just have the free will to choose to experience 'life' in many
eternal ways. We all have the ability to create to our hearts
extent.
Enjoy yourself, all. None of this is real. wave
One thing to remember, though...
There are consequences to our actions. (built-in)
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Nov 26, 2007 9:07 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
Well, again this is my point sigh Emotional intelligence is heritable. Lets observe Violence .... Do you believe that people who serve time in prisons came out families with a history of Violent behavior?Do you believe their children will spend their lifes balancing on a tiny edge to repeat their parents "deeds"? conversing

respect for elders doesn't have nothing to do with survival of species (in the animal kingdom). Animals do not take care of their elders ... because reproduction and ability to kill for food are the main traits to assure the survival. You watch too many cartoons. laugh

your turn conversing grin
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Nov 26, 2007 9:08 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
well said Dusty - I agree, it is survival and begins at the cellular level thumbs up

sort of like the nature/nurture debate meeting biological imperatives laugh
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Nov 26, 2007 9:09 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
A very good question!! thumbs up
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Nov 26, 2007 9:13 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
laugh sorry they were so long but i was busy blues laugh am very happy you liked them and thanks thumbs up

i too wonder where they went at times - maybe they get gobbled up by ego rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 26, 2007 9:22 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Zeloniy
ZeloniyZeloniyRichmond, Virginia USA51 Threads 1 Polls 1,863 Posts
Oh there are several species where elder is often a leader.
Violence in humans toward other humans is usually caused by emotional instability. Emotional instability is based on feelings (love,hate,fear) I can not honestly say if criminal behavior is hereditary or not. I think there is a research on a subject. I do know that nurture plays a big part.
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Nov 26, 2007 9:31 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
oops - sorry meant to quote you Dina on the 'happy you liked them' comment wave
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Nov 26, 2007 9:38 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
VERY short answer: all pack animals require rules and a kind of ethics to function cooperatively. Add to that basic imperative a vastly higher IQ, and you get morals.

In a very cramped nutshell.angel
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Nov 26, 2007 9:45 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
"Wikked" doh beer
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Nov 26, 2007 9:47 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
dazzling_dave
dazzling_davedazzling_daveWaynesboro, Virginia USA4 Threads 1,993 Posts
"35,000 B. C. humans emerge". Emerge from what? If evolution was a fact instead of a theory, where are the in between species now? Sorry for the hi-jack.

We were given our sense of right and wrong by our Creator. As wikked pointed out, our justice system was originally based on the 10 commandments.
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Nov 26, 2007 9:49 AM CST Where Did "Morals" Originate??
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
i believe that was referring to the Cro-magnon era wave

people did exist before biblical recording dunno
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