Smoking should be banned in all public places (261)
Here in Alberta it's been banned from bars, clubs, the workplace and all public buildings. A lot of businesses were hurt by this including bars and restaraunts, some of which closed their doors permanently. There was at least one place that opened up before the ban to cater specificly to non smokers but it didn't last long at all.
I British Columbia there were smoking rooms until the end of March this year when they outlawed them as well.
This is no longer a free country where people are allowed to make their own choices. As an owner of a business you are not allowed to decide how you will run your business or cater to and as an individual you can't decide if you want to support those that would like to cater to your desires.
It's getting pretty sad when as a society we don't stand up to our elected officials and tell them what we want. We just let them decide for us and whine about it after the fact.
This is just another freedom that has been taken away from us from a long list. Lets see what else they have in store for us down the road.
They already know we'll just take it and do nothing about it.
I British Columbia there were smoking rooms until the end of March this year when they outlawed them as well.
This is no longer a free country where people are allowed to make their own choices. As an owner of a business you are not allowed to decide how you will run your business or cater to and as an individual you can't decide if you want to support those that would like to cater to your desires.
It's getting pretty sad when as a society we don't stand up to our elected officials and tell them what we want. We just let them decide for us and whine about it after the fact.
This is just another freedom that has been taken away from us from a long list. Lets see what else they have in store for us down the road.
They already know we'll just take it and do nothing about it.
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joshtaal: Currently that is the case here. Smokers areas are provided at most workplaces & it is still ok to walk down the street & smoke (although people dont look kindly on anyone smoking in public)
But it is fast becoming a common belief that smoking is linked to so many deaths & diseases. People are choosing health overall & the pressure from non smokers is hard to shrug off anymore.
I was a smoker for 15+ years and can honestly say life has been way better since I gave up 11 years ago.
But it is fast becoming a common belief that smoking is linked to so many deaths & diseases. People are choosing health overall & the pressure from non smokers is hard to shrug off anymore.
I was a smoker for 15+ years and can honestly say life has been way better since I gave up 11 years ago.
I hear you.
In all honestly, it would probably be more "correct" to make smoking illegal based on the criteria our nation uses to define drugs, etc. Along those same lines, it might be more "correct" to make pot legal...but that's a whole different kettle of fish.
I just feel that this is a simple enough problem to deal with. Compromise. It would take so little...
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WhatUwish4: I hear you.
In all honestly, it would probably be more "correct" to make smoking illegal based on the criteria our nation uses to define drugs, etc. Along those same lines, it might be more "correct" to make pot legal...but that's a whole different kettle of fish.
I just feel that this is a simple enough problem to deal with. Compromise. It would take so little...
In all honestly, it would probably be more "correct" to make smoking illegal based on the criteria our nation uses to define drugs, etc. Along those same lines, it might be more "correct" to make pot legal...but that's a whole different kettle of fish.
I just feel that this is a simple enough problem to deal with. Compromise. It would take so little...
The anti-smoking crusade is really an industry. People make a living dictating to others on how they should live. I'm not sure they'll do for a living when smoking is banned?
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Hey kid, hope you are doing well.
I have no problem with a business having a smoking room just for smokers, even if in the building with all the enclosures and exhaust fans.
I remember some bars had smoking enclosed areas... even restaurants.
There were problems for the people that were waiting on the patrons, if they did not smoke, and boss's would still assign them to the smoking areas.
I respect a person's choice to smoke, I just ask you respect mine as a non smoker. I am not going to get in your face and lecture, or go militant.
When we go visit my parents, they nag and lecture my oldest son about his smoking. Every Sunday... weird part, I can not stand their nagging about his smoking....
I feel that if their right to smoke is taken away, what other rights of myself and others will be taken away?
I have no problem with a business having a smoking room just for smokers, even if in the building with all the enclosures and exhaust fans.
I remember some bars had smoking enclosed areas... even restaurants.
There were problems for the people that were waiting on the patrons, if they did not smoke, and boss's would still assign them to the smoking areas.
I respect a person's choice to smoke, I just ask you respect mine as a non smoker. I am not going to get in your face and lecture, or go militant.
When we go visit my parents, they nag and lecture my oldest son about his smoking. Every Sunday... weird part, I can not stand their nagging about his smoking....
I feel that if their right to smoke is taken away, what other rights of myself and others will be taken away?
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Indyfella: The anti-smoking crusade is really an industry . People make a living dictating to others on how they should live. I'm not sure they'll do for a living when smoking is banned?
True. Also the same reason alcohol is still legal..
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WhatUwish4: True. Also the same reason alcohol is still legal..
Not the crusade part, but the fact that the industry basically "supports" half of our nation's clutural endeavors.. nobody wants to pull the plug on their own cash cow
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WhatUwish4: Not the crusade part, but the fact that the industry basically "supports" half of our nation's clutural endeavors.. nobody wants to pull the plug on their own cash cow
An example: The March of Dimes...seeking a cure for polio. They're still thriving...and polio was cured 50 years ago. They just found another cause to keep the "industry" (their own jobs) going.
How cynical of me.
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Tobacco industry supports major sporting events, arts events, and charities....
Isn't the tobacco industry supporting sports events (where health and no smoking is important).... a bit like an oxymoron?
Isn't the tobacco industry supporting sports events (where health and no smoking is important).... a bit like an oxymoron?
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Indyfella: An example: The March of Dimes...seeking a cure for polio. They're still thriving...and polio was cured 50 years ago. They just found another cause to keep the "industry" (their own jobs) going.
How cynical of me.
How cynical of me.
Not cynical, a reality. It's all about the dollar and that's what I hate about the current state of politics in the "free world". If you "pay" enough, you get what you want so you can make even more money. It really boils down to dollars.
Do you think seat belt and helmet laws were enacted to keep us safe or to save insurance companies money.
Someday we'll be legislated into wearing padded rubber suits to leave our home.
Someday, is coming soon to a neighbourhood near you.
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KHD100: Hey kid, hope you are doing well.I have no problem with a business having a smoking room just for smokers, even if in the building with all the enclosures and exhaust fans.
I remember some bars had smoking enclosed areas... even restaurants.
There were problems for the people that were waiting on the patrons, if they did not smoke, and boss's would still assign them to the smoking areas.
I respect a person's choice to smoke, I just ask you respect mine as a non smoker. I am not going to get in your face and lecture, or go militant.
When we go visit my parents, they nag and lecture my oldest son about his smoking. Every Sunday... weird part, I can not stand their nagging about his smoking....
I feel that if their right to smoke is taken away, what other rights of myself and others will be taken away?
I remember some bars had smoking enclosed areas... even restaurants.
There were problems for the people that were waiting on the patrons, if they did not smoke, and boss's would still assign them to the smoking areas.
I respect a person's choice to smoke, I just ask you respect mine as a non smoker. I am not going to get in your face and lecture, or go militant.
When we go visit my parents, they nag and lecture my oldest son about his smoking. Every Sunday... weird part, I can not stand their nagging about his smoking....
I feel that if their right to smoke is taken away, what other rights of myself and others will be taken away?
I'm doing very well, thank you, and yourself?
No problem with respecting the wishes of others and not smoking in certain areas, such as the workplace, hospitals or even a non smoking restaraunt, but I don't understand why the choice for each individual business owner was taken away altogether.
The staff working in places where they were exposed to second hand smoke as non smokers should have been able to go to the labour board or OSHA with their complaints if forced to do something they weren't comfortable with. There are laws in place to deal with such situations. They just have to be enforced.
I personally know several people that lost huge money and had no choice but to lay off staff after smoking was banned and a few who shut down their businesses permanently.
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kidatheart: Here in Alberta it's been banned from bars, clubs, the workplace and all public buildings. A lot of businesses were hurt by this including bars and restaraunts, some of which closed their doors permanently. There was at least one place that opened up before the ban to cater specificly to non smokers but it didn't last long at all.
I British Columbia there were smoking rooms until the end of March this year when they outlawed them as well.
This is no longer a free country where people are allowed to make their own choices. As an owner of a business you are not allowed to decide how you will run your business or cater to and as an individual you can't decide if you want to support those that would like to cater to your desires.
It's getting pretty sad when as a society we don't stand up to our elected officials and tell them what we want. We just let them decide for us and whine about it after the fact.
This is just another freedom that has been taken away from us from a long list. Lets see what else they have in store for us down the road.
They already know we'll just take it and do nothing about it.
I British Columbia there were smoking rooms until the end of March this year when they outlawed them as well.
This is no longer a free country where people are allowed to make their own choices. As an owner of a business you are not allowed to decide how you will run your business or cater to and as an individual you can't decide if you want to support those that would like to cater to your desires.
It's getting pretty sad when as a society we don't stand up to our elected officials and tell them what we want. We just let them decide for us and whine about it after the fact.
This is just another freedom that has been taken away from us from a long list. Lets see what else they have in store for us down the road.
They already know we'll just take it and do nothing about it.
The headquarters for Phillip morris is in virginia and Tobacco has been important to the econemy since its begining, however some people belive that eliminating a mager source of revenue will not effect their buisness, ,,,,,,,hello someone has to pay for the dumb crap.
Dennis , there will be a new baseball field built and pot holes unfilled in your front yard. With the current plan what else do you not want?
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lorax111: The headquarters for Phillip morris is in virginia and Tobacco has been important to the econemy since its begining, however some people belive that eliminating a mager source of revenue will not effect their buisness, ,,,,,,,hello someone has to pay for the dumb crap.Dennis , there will be a new baseball field built and pot holes unfilled in your front yard. With the current plan what else do you not want?
LOL It's been important to the heirs, too!
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kidatheart: I'm doing very well, thank you, and yourself?
No problem with respecting the wishes of others and not smoking in certain areas, such as the workplace, hospitals or even a non smoking restaraunt, but I don't understand why the choice for each individual business owner was taken away altogether.
The staff working in places where they were exposed to second hand smoke as non smokers should have been able to go to the labour board or OSHA with their complaints if forced to do something they weren't comfortable with. There are laws in place to deal with such situations. They just have to be enforced.I personally know several people that lost huge money and had no choice but to lay off staff after smoking was banned and a few who shut down their businesses permanently.
No problem with respecting the wishes of others and not smoking in certain areas, such as the workplace, hospitals or even a non smoking restaraunt, but I don't understand why the choice for each individual business owner was taken away altogether.
The staff working in places where they were exposed to second hand smoke as non smokers should have been able to go to the labour board or OSHA with their complaints if forced to do something they weren't comfortable with. There are laws in place to deal with such situations. They just have to be enforced.I personally know several people that lost huge money and had no choice but to lay off staff after smoking was banned and a few who shut down their businesses permanently.
Doing fine thanks!!!
I totally agree with what you are saying. Many business's were affected by the no smoking by law When only the bars were allowed smoking areas some restaurants had to apply for a liquor license to allow their patrons to smoke.
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kidatheart: Not cynical, a reality. It's all about the dollar and that's what I hate about the current state of politics in the "free world". If you "pay" enough, you get what you want so you can make even more money. It really boils down to dollars.
Do you think seat belt and helmet laws were enacted to keep us safe or to save insurance companies money.
Someday we'll be legislated into wearing padded rubber suits to leave our home.
Someday, is coming soon to a neighbourhood near you.
Do you think seat belt and helmet laws were enacted to keep us safe or to save insurance companies money.
Someday we'll be legislated into wearing padded rubber suits to leave our home.
Someday, is coming soon to a neighbourhood near you.
Maybe we just need to invent bubble suits (like John Travolta in the Bubble Boy) and people can smoke or drink to their hearts content without causing any harm. Just a lot of bubble people bumping into one another and floating around town!------ This thread is Archived ------
langleygirl: Maybe we just need to invent bubble suits (like John Travolta in the Bubble Boy) and people can smoke or drink to their hearts content without causing any harm. Just a lot of bubble people bumping into one another and floating around town!
That might actually be a lot of fun.
I could see it being the next fad, where people get hammered, strip down and get into big clear plastic balls and bounce around bumping each other. I just wouldn't want to be the one cleaning up the aftermath.
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kidatheart: I'm doing very well, thank you, and yourself?
No problem with respecting the wishes of others and not smoking in certain areas, such as the workplace, hospitals or even a non smoking restaraunt, but I don't understand why the choice for each individual business owner was taken away altogether.
The staff working in places where they were exposed to second hand smoke as non smokers should have been able to go to the labour board or OSHA with their complaints if forced to do something they weren't comfortable with. There are laws in place to deal with such situations. They just have to be enforced.I personally know several people that lost huge money and had no choice but to lay off staff after smoking was banned and a few who shut down their businesses permanently.
No problem with respecting the wishes of others and not smoking in certain areas, such as the workplace, hospitals or even a non smoking restaraunt, but I don't understand why the choice for each individual business owner was taken away altogether.
The staff working in places where they were exposed to second hand smoke as non smokers should have been able to go to the labour board or OSHA with their complaints if forced to do something they weren't comfortable with. There are laws in place to deal with such situations. They just have to be enforced.I personally know several people that lost huge money and had no choice but to lay off staff after smoking was banned and a few who shut down their businesses permanently.
I agree pretty much with the Kid on this issue. I don't have an issue with banning smoking in "most" public places.
However, I do not agree with taking away the option from the business owner. When this done, this is called facisim. Owners should be allowed to make the decision for their own best interest. If people do not want to breath the smoke in a particular restaurant or bar, they can move on to another that does not have smoking. This is referred to as freedom of choice or just plain "FREEDOM".
Remember, once you allow the government to take away your freedoms, they will keep taking until they have complete control of your lives (which they want).
Here in Lexington even with smoking being banned, businesses are charging a smoking fee and allowing patrons to smoke if they want. That way when they get cited by the city (about $100), the fees take care of the fine.
If the smoking bans continue and progress towards harsher penalties, bars and restaurants will eventually become private membership clubs.
Some employers here in the states are even starting to fire people if they smoke any time or any where (including their own home) since they pay for the health insurance premiums. Fine, what about the obese, the moutain climbers, weekend race car drivers, etc., etc.
Aren't these people taking unnecessary risks as well?
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reelman90: I agree pretty much with the Kid on this issue. I don't have an issue with banning smoking in "most" public places.
However, I do not agree with taking away the option from the business owner. When this done, this is called facisim. Owners should be allowed to make the decision for their own best interest. If people do not want to breath the smoke in a particular restaurant or bar, they can move on to another that does not have smoking. This is referred to as freedom of choice or just plain "FREEDOM".
Remember, once you allow the government to take away your freedoms, they will keep taking until they have complete control of your lives (which they want).
Here in Lexington even with smoking being banned, businesses are charging a smoking fee and allowing patrons to smoke if they want. That way when they get cited by the city (about $100), the fees take care of the fine.
If the smoking bans continue and progress towards harsher penalties, bars and restaurants will eventually become private membership clubs.
Some employers here in the states are even starting to fire people if they smoke any time or any where (including their own home) since they pay for the health insurance premiums. Fine, what about the obese, the moutain climbers, weekend race car drivers, etc., etc.
Aren't these people taking unnecessary risks as well?
However, I do not agree with taking away the option from the business owner. When this done, this is called facisim. Owners should be allowed to make the decision for their own best interest. If people do not want to breath the smoke in a particular restaurant or bar, they can move on to another that does not have smoking. This is referred to as freedom of choice or just plain "FREEDOM".
Remember, once you allow the government to take away your freedoms, they will keep taking until they have complete control of your lives (which they want).
Here in Lexington even with smoking being banned, businesses are charging a smoking fee and allowing patrons to smoke if they want. That way when they get cited by the city (about $100), the fees take care of the fine.
If the smoking bans continue and progress towards harsher penalties, bars and restaurants will eventually become private membership clubs.
Some employers here in the states are even starting to fire people if they smoke any time or any where (including their own home) since they pay for the health insurance premiums. Fine, what about the obese, the moutain climbers, weekend race car drivers, etc., etc.
Aren't these people taking unnecessary risks as well?
There were a few places that tried that but the city of Edmonton found a way to step all over them.
Tom Goodchild, who owns a number of prominent restaraunts here was a huge voice against the laws put in to place likely lost a lot of money fighting city hall over this issue. There were others who fought and lost as well.
As far as I'm concerned, if you can't fight city hall or have your elected officials do what you elect them to do, it's time to replace them or revamp the entire system if that's what it takes.
I don't remember voting for a dictatorship.
This applies to more than just the smoking laws. It's time for a change, if it's not too late.
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kidatheart: There were a few places that tried that but the city of Edmonton found a way to step all over them.
Tom Goodchild, who owns a number of prominent restaraunts here was a huge voice against the laws put in to place likely lost a lot of money fighting city hall over this issue. There were others who fought and lost as well.
As far as I'm concerned, if you can't fight city hall or have your elected officials do what you elect them to do, it's time to replace them or revamp the entire system if that's what it takes.
I don't remember voting for a dictatorship.
This applies to more than just the smoking laws. It's time for a change, if it's not too late.
Tom Goodchild, who owns a number of prominent restaraunts here was a huge voice against the laws put in to place likely lost a lot of money fighting city hall over this issue. There were others who fought and lost as well.
As far as I'm concerned, if you can't fight city hall or have your elected officials do what you elect them to do, it's time to replace them or revamp the entire system if that's what it takes.
I don't remember voting for a dictatorship.
This applies to more than just the smoking laws. It's time for a change, if it's not too late.
That was supposed to have "private membership clubs" highlighted.
It was probably me.
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kidatheart: There were a few places that tried that but the city of Edmonton found a way to step all over them.
Tom Goodchild, who owns a number of prominent restaraunts here was a huge voice against the laws put in to place likely lost a lot of money fighting city hall over this issue. There were others who fought and lost as well.
As far as I'm concerned, if you can't fight city hall or have your elected officials do what you elect them to do, it's time to replace them or revamp the entire system if that's what it takes.
I don't remember voting for a dictatorship.
This applies to more than just the smoking laws. It's time for a change, if it's not too late.
Tom Goodchild, who owns a number of prominent restaraunts here was a huge voice against the laws put in to place likely lost a lot of money fighting city hall over this issue. There were others who fought and lost as well.
As far as I'm concerned, if you can't fight city hall or have your elected officials do what you elect them to do, it's time to replace them or revamp the entire system if that's what it takes.
I don't remember voting for a dictatorship.
This applies to more than just the smoking laws. It's time for a change, if it's not too late.
Yeah.... the mayor wanted to change one entrance to the LRT because it was not not visually pleasant or aesthetic to Churchill square.... 3 bleeping million ..... to change the appearance of that entrance....
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Initially, the smokers were upset about not being allowed to smoke in pubs clubs & restaurants, (even the club owners thought it would reduce business) but it became common place very soon after it's introduction & nobody is that upset anymore.
The clubs are a much nicer place to go to now, and owners say their business has increased rather than declined. (This may have something to do with the fact that smokers in NZ are a minority)
I personally feel it won't be long before smoking is banned in NZ altogether.
For the health of the nation, I agree with a total ban. JMO
Smoking is banned from most buildings, and bars. In the bars, it might be just about 2 yrs not really sure. Owners complained and so did patrons, but their business's are still going strong. When I did smoke (5 smokes a per day) still hated being in an area where there was lots of smoking. (Yes, I was a hypocrite).
Where I live, I think the government makes too much money from the tobacco business... so would the government totally ban smoking... I doubt it.
I have watched co workers watching the clock, or just get up from their desks to run out to have that smoke. I am relieved that my life does not evolve around smoking. (just my opinion, don't mean any disrespect)