Obama for President........duodenary (851)
I wonder if Obama knew that during WWII and prior to Pearl Harbor.
That Japan was getting intelligence on the fleet at Pearl Harbor from the local Japanese tha tlived in Hawii.
And then we put thousands of Japanese Americans, family's, children in camps.
That Japan was getting intelligence on the fleet at Pearl Harbor from the local Japanese tha tlived in Hawii.
And then we put thousands of Japanese Americans, family's, children in camps.
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Bush administration lifts North Korea sanctions (AP)
AP - President Bush said Thursday he will lift key trade sanctions against North Korea and remove it from the U.S. terrorism blacklist, a remarkable turnaround in policy toward the communist regime he once branded as part of an "axis of evil."
HE REALLY IS THAT DESPEARTE to leave office saying he accomplished WHAT? Georgie remembered he had CHEERLEADING skills
AP - President Bush said Thursday he will lift key trade sanctions against North Korea and remove it from the U.S. terrorism blacklist, a remarkable turnaround in policy toward the communist regime he once branded as part of an "axis of evil."
HE REALLY IS THAT DESPEARTE to leave office saying he accomplished WHAT? Georgie remembered he had CHEERLEADING skills
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opalbeauty: Bush administration lifts North Korea sanctions (AP)
AP - President Bush said Thursday he will lift key trade sanctions against North Korea and remove it from the U.S. terrorism blacklist, a remarkable turnaround in policy toward the communist regime he once branded as part of an "axis of evil."
HE REALLY IS THAT DESPEARTE to leave office saying he accomplished WHAT? Georgie remembered he had CHEERLEADING skills
AP - President Bush said Thursday he will lift key trade sanctions against North Korea and remove it from the U.S. terrorism blacklist, a remarkable turnaround in policy toward the communist regime he once branded as part of an "axis of evil."
HE REALLY IS THAT DESPEARTE to leave office saying he accomplished WHAT? Georgie remembered he had CHEERLEADING skills
KimJongil is in his own little world where he dresses up in highheels and wears lipstick and prances around in his bedroom at night. I don't think he is going to change his ways for a
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opalbeauty: KimJongil is in his own little world where he dresses up in highheels and wears lipstick and prances around in his bedroom at night. I don't think he is going to change his ways for a from Bush but he will take that kiss and goodbye to Bush.
So what I have you saying here is...that though North Korea has now given a complete disclosure to it nuclear activities to the group 6. They are sending that to China now. And is tearing down the cooling towers at thier nuclear reactors making them ineffective. That they party of 6 sanctions were effective in bringing this about. That with several million north Korean starving and living in hard conditions.
You feel GWB should keep the sanctions on because Kim is a weirdo?
Do I have it right?
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ttom500: So what I have you saying here is...that though North Korea has now given a complete disclosure to it nuclear activities to the group 6. They are sending that to China now. And is tearing down the cooling towers at thier nuclear reactors making them ineffective. That they party of 6 sanctions were effective in bringing this about. That with several million north Korean starving and living in hard conditions.
You feel GWB should keep the sanctions on because Kim is a weirdo?
Do I have it right?
You feel GWB should keep the sanctions on because Kim is a weirdo?
Do I have it right?
I don't think he is doing it TODAY tom, actually, I was reading yesterday that he hasn't done squat yet, and I doubt very seriously if he will give complete compliance to what Bush is asking. I think Bush is rushing again in the extreme way he always does. Time will tell.
It does make me angry that he was a bigger threat than Saddam and actually had nukes but Bush just HAD to rush to war on Iraq.
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opalbeauty: I don't think he is doing it TODAY tom, actually, I was reading yesterday that he hasn't done squat yet, and I doubt very seriously if he will give complete compliance to what Bush is asking. I think Bush is rushing again in the extreme way he always does. Time will tell.
It does make me angry that he was a bigger threat than Saddam and actually had nukes but Bush just HAD to rush to war on Iraq.
It does make me angry that he was a bigger threat than Saddam and actually had nukes but Bush just HAD to rush to war on Iraq.
He told Bush that Bush had to make the first move and take him off the terroist list.
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opalbeauty: He told Bush that Bush had to make the first move and take him off the terroist list.
I think the Kim realized he was out of wiggle room. That the group of 6 had him tied so well.....he figured he might as well use the disclosure as means to lift the sanctions the best he could.
So goes to them asking for the entire ball of yarn.....take me off the terrorist list.....and you have a done deal. GWB considers the offer.....if N. Korea has made the full disclosure, it is tearing down the plants....then that leave only the nucs to worry about. So one gesture in good faith deserves another....
GWB knows that he can put them back on the list, if the nucs show in someone else hands....quicker than a honey bee tapping a flower. Also knows the UN report on the Syrian reactor is going to further nail Kim as a nuclear prolifirator.
Also this food and fuel. Food is needed there now. But it take time to build up a fuel reserve for winter weather.....so easing the sanctions makes sense as well. So loosen the sanctions and keep some people alive is what happened I think.
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Hey there ttom500,
We are on the same page I think more than you know. I posted Obams paragraphs to let everyone read the full quotes from the book and make up their own minds what he said. I didn't try to influence anyone and have my own opinion on it. I just Don't Like Misquotes especially if they are running amok. Just fact checking kind sir.
I absolutely agree with you that there will be first, second and on and on generational loyalty of immigrants to their country of origins. Especially countries that have extreme loyality to it's leaders built into the culture.
The Japanese believed their Emperor was a God and they followed his wishes, many without question. The camps were a very cruel solution especially to the very young and the very old. Many died and many became disabled from poor nutrition and poor medical care. Were the children spy's? I don't think so. If the US is going to use such a blanket solution and not seek out the true spy's don't you think they could have provided more humane conditions food, housing and medical treatment? I think America in many ways punished the whole damn race that was in it's control for the sins of the traitors.
Now I'm all about finding, catching and punishing/removing anyone who is a immigrant or any kind of traitor who works for the destruction of our people/country/government. I still am wondering and waiting for OBL to be caught. Look at what has happened in England, they have a large Muslim population and there are Holy War Nuts bombing and thinking they are going to heaven for it.
The fundamentalists/extremes of the Muslim Islam religion also demand extreme loyalty, has very violent solutions and crazy rewards built in for the "true" believers. I also know those Muslims very much carry their religion and beliefs to the various countries they live in. They bring their children up to practice isolationism. They practice absolute loyalty to Islam, honor killings and Jihad.
They are nuts and very dangerous ones who should be monitored very closely because they are the ones who will betray and with no sense of wrong try to destroy us. But should we lump all Muslims who don't have anything to do with such activity together and treat them the same, I personally don't think so. I think we should be very harsh on the one group and weed them out and watch the other.
We are on the same page I think more than you know. I posted Obams paragraphs to let everyone read the full quotes from the book and make up their own minds what he said. I didn't try to influence anyone and have my own opinion on it. I just Don't Like Misquotes especially if they are running amok. Just fact checking kind sir.
I absolutely agree with you that there will be first, second and on and on generational loyalty of immigrants to their country of origins. Especially countries that have extreme loyality to it's leaders built into the culture.
The Japanese believed their Emperor was a God and they followed his wishes, many without question. The camps were a very cruel solution especially to the very young and the very old. Many died and many became disabled from poor nutrition and poor medical care. Were the children spy's? I don't think so. If the US is going to use such a blanket solution and not seek out the true spy's don't you think they could have provided more humane conditions food, housing and medical treatment? I think America in many ways punished the whole damn race that was in it's control for the sins of the traitors.
Now I'm all about finding, catching and punishing/removing anyone who is a immigrant or any kind of traitor who works for the destruction of our people/country/government. I still am wondering and waiting for OBL to be caught. Look at what has happened in England, they have a large Muslim population and there are Holy War Nuts bombing and thinking they are going to heaven for it.
The fundamentalists/extremes of the Muslim Islam religion also demand extreme loyalty, has very violent solutions and crazy rewards built in for the "true" believers. I also know those Muslims very much carry their religion and beliefs to the various countries they live in. They bring their children up to practice isolationism. They practice absolute loyalty to Islam, honor killings and Jihad.
They are nuts and very dangerous ones who should be monitored very closely because they are the ones who will betray and with no sense of wrong try to destroy us. But should we lump all Muslims who don't have anything to do with such activity together and treat them the same, I personally don't think so. I think we should be very harsh on the one group and weed them out and watch the other.
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I think the Kim realized he was out of wiggle room. That the group of 6 had him tied so well.....he figured he might as well use the disclosure as means to lift the sanctions the best he could.
So goes to them asking for the entire ball of yarn.....take me off the terrorist list.....and you have a done deal. GWB considers the offer.....if N. Korea has made the full disclosure, it is tearing down the plants....then that leave only the nucs to worry about. So one gesture in good faith deserves another....
GWB knows that he can put them back on the list, if the nucs show in someone else hands....quicker than a honey bee tapping a flower. Also knows the UN report on the Syrian reactor is going to further nail Kim as a nuclear prolifirator.
Also this food and fuel. Food is needed there now. But it take time to build up a fuel reserve for winter weather.....so easing the sanctions makes sense as well. So loosen the sanctions and keep some people alive is what happened I think.[/quote
hmmm, maybe Cuba should start building nucluer plants.
So goes to them asking for the entire ball of yarn.....take me off the terrorist list.....and you have a done deal. GWB considers the offer.....if N. Korea has made the full disclosure, it is tearing down the plants....then that leave only the nucs to worry about. So one gesture in good faith deserves another....
GWB knows that he can put them back on the list, if the nucs show in someone else hands....quicker than a honey bee tapping a flower. Also knows the UN report on the Syrian reactor is going to further nail Kim as a nuclear prolifirator.
Also this food and fuel. Food is needed there now. But it take time to build up a fuel reserve for winter weather.....so easing the sanctions makes sense as well. So loosen the sanctions and keep some people alive is what happened I think.[/quote
hmmm, maybe Cuba should start building nucluer plants.
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opalbeauty: Bush administration lifts North Korea sanctions (AP)
AP - President Bush said Thursday he will lift key trade sanctions against North Korea and remove it from the U.S. terrorism blacklist, a remarkable turnaround in policy toward the communist regime he once branded as part of an "axis of evil."
HE REALLY IS THAT DESPEARTE to leave office saying he accomplished WHAT? Georgie remembered he had CHEERLEADING skills
Interesting,GWB can't do anything you'd approve of.AP - President Bush said Thursday he will lift key trade sanctions against North Korea and remove it from the U.S. terrorism blacklist, a remarkable turnaround in policy toward the communist regime he once branded as part of an "axis of evil."
HE REALLY IS THAT DESPEARTE to leave office saying he accomplished WHAT? Georgie remembered he had CHEERLEADING skills
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I was thinking the same thing Conrad.
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Skybow: I wonder if Obama knew that during WWII and prior to Pearl Harbor.
That Japan was getting intelligence on the fleet at Pearl Harbor from the local Japanese tha tlived in Hawii.
And then we put thousands of Japanese Americans, family's, children in camps.
WE=DEMOCRATIC ADMIN under FDR!?That Japan was getting intelligence on the fleet at Pearl Harbor from the local Japanese tha tlived in Hawii.
And then we put thousands of Japanese Americans, family's, children in camps.
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Conrad73: Interesting,GWB can't do anything you'd approve of.
No, because I can see right through him. He is allowing North Korea to hold back a lot of stuff but even what is expected from them won't be done in Bush's remaining time in office and will be left for the next President and it is just a set up to say that Obama is weak on terror.
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opalbeauty: No, because I can see right through him. He is allowing North Korea to hold back a lot of stuff but even what is expected from them won't be done in Bush's remaining time in office and will be left for the next President and it is just a set up to say that Obama is weak on terror.
I'm certain this move could be used for your stated purpose. There's already political movement in Obama's and McCain's camps to work this for their own advantage but can you really see right through him and know with such certainty why this is happening?
Yes he has made allowances and those have been publically acknowledged and disclosed. He's also made it very clear why and what he would do if N. Korea moves in the wrong direction. I see this as Bush is doing the very thing that people accuse of failing to do in the case of Iraq (Diplomacy & Public Disclosure). Now he's done this and he's still wrong.
There's just no pleasing some people.
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Sparky55: I'm certain this move could be used for your stated purpose. There's already political movement in Obama's and McCain's camps to work this for their own advantage but can you really see right through him and know with such certainty why this is happening?
Yes he has made allowances and those have been publically acknowledged and disclosed. He's also made it very clear why and what he would do if N. Korea moves in the wrong direction. I see this as Bush is doing the very thing that people accuse of failing to do in the case of Iraq (Diplomacy & Public Disclosure). Now he's done this and he's still wrong.
There's just no pleasing some people.
Yes he has made allowances and those have been publically acknowledged and disclosed. He's also made it very clear why and what he would do if N. Korea moves in the wrong direction. I see this as Bush is doing the very thing that people accuse of failing to do in the case of Iraq (Diplomacy & Public Disclosure). Now he's done this and he's still wrong.
There's just no pleasing some people.
No, it is not all wrong. It just angers me that he is doing it now when he could have been using diplomacy all the time. Why so sudden and quick? It is for his own purpose to have atleast acomplished something while he was in office. And North Korea was a bigger threat than Saddam but he had to rush into that illegal war on Iraq.
It's the whole situation back when he was starting that illegal war, many of us were saying "Why Iraq? Why not North Korea?"
North Korea was even higer on the list of inhumane treatment of it's people.
And what about Saudi Arabia, the hi-jackers were from there but all that concerned him was getting the Saudi family out of America. I wonder why that was so important?
He didn't want to upset Prince Abdullah.
Bush has never even criticized the Saudi's or spoken out about evidence that Saudi citizens finance Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda network and other radical Islamic organizations. Not to mention Saudi-Arabia is considered #2 on the list of inhumane treatment of it's people.
It is not just me Sparky, many people have been and still are outraged about what is evident, Bush took the US in an illegal war on a Sovereign Country based on lies and misinformation and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and thousands of our soldiers that should never have to be fighting a war for oil.
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opalbeauty: No, it is not all wrong. It just angers me that he is doing it now when he could have been using diplomacy all the time. Why so sudden and quick? It is for his own purpose to have atleast acomplished something while he was in office. And North Korea was a bigger threat than Saddam but he had to rush into that illegal war on Iraq.
It's the whole situation back when he was starting that illegal war, many of us were saying "Why Iraq? Why not North Korea?"
North Korea was even higer on the list of inhumane treatment of it's people.
And what about Saudi Arabia, the hi-jackers were from there but all that concerned him was getting the Saudi family out of America. I wonder why that was so important?
He didn't want to upset Prince Abdullah.
Bush has never even criticized the Saudi's or spoken out about evidence that Saudi citizens finance Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda network and other radical Islamic organizations. Not to mention Saudi-Arabia is considered #2 on the list of inhumane treatment of it's people.
It is not just me Sparky, many people have been and still are outraged about what is evident, Bush took the US in an illegal war on a Sovereign Country based on lies and misinformation and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and thousands of our soldiers that should never have to be fighting a war for oil.
It's the whole situation back when he was starting that illegal war, many of us were saying "Why Iraq? Why not North Korea?"
North Korea was even higer on the list of inhumane treatment of it's people.
And what about Saudi Arabia, the hi-jackers were from there but all that concerned him was getting the Saudi family out of America. I wonder why that was so important?
He didn't want to upset Prince Abdullah.
Bush has never even criticized the Saudi's or spoken out about evidence that Saudi citizens finance Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda network and other radical Islamic organizations. Not to mention Saudi-Arabia is considered #2 on the list of inhumane treatment of it's people.
It is not just me Sparky, many people have been and still are outraged about what is evident, Bush took the US in an illegal war on a Sovereign Country based on lies and misinformation and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people and thousands of our soldiers that should never have to be fighting a war for oil.
Opal,
He's not just doing it now, this has been being worked for years and it's now getting to a point where more positive rather than negative steps are being taken. Hopefully they continue.
As for your other comments about an illegal war, lies, etc.. We have discussed this in the past and we will just have to agree to disagree. We are both fairly smart and can find arguements for both sides of that and probably frustrate the hell out of each other in the process.
The only thing I can say is it will be really interesting to see how the next guy is seen that enters the office.
Conrad and his famous "Same Horse, Different Rider" comment will probably be made right.
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Sparky55: Opal,
He's not just doing it now, this has been being worked for years and it's now getting to a point where more positive rather than negative steps are being taken. Hopefully they continue.
As for your other comments about an illegal war, lies, etc.. We have discussed this in the past and we will just have to agree to disagree. We are both fairly smart and can find arguements for both sides of that and probably frustrate the hell out of each other in the process.
The only thing I can say is it will be really interesting to see how the next guy is seen that enters the office.
Conrad and his famous "Same Horse, Different Rider" comment will probably be made right.
He's not just doing it now, this has been being worked for years and it's now getting to a point where more positive rather than negative steps are being taken. Hopefully they continue.
As for your other comments about an illegal war, lies, etc.. We have discussed this in the past and we will just have to agree to disagree. We are both fairly smart and can find arguements for both sides of that and probably frustrate the hell out of each other in the process.
The only thing I can say is it will be really interesting to see how the next guy is seen that enters the office.
Conrad and his famous "Same Horse, Different Rider" comment will probably be made right.
I always thing you get your time frames mixed up. I don't think it has been being worked for years, but, yeah, Chinia deserves a lot of credit.
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I think that you have to take each country, differently. The issue that Kim and North Korea is a different set of problems than Iraq. North Korea....korean war...dmz....nuclear proliferator going thru Dr. Khan
of Pakistan.....ceasefire and truce but still technically at war...solid ally in S. Korea. Vastly different than Sadam, Iraq and AlQeada connections.
It like saying one set of policies matrix.....will work for every country situation. But they are vastly different. simply by geography, players,
events, threats.
North Korea never got a long range missile with range to reach the US.
Even though it had nucs...and only a few....they were not a direct threat to the US.
Sadam and AlQeada terrorism? Well as I have said maytime in the past, money man and a deliverer....dead Americans on the streets.
A deliverer with a proven history on 9/11. A money man with a bundle of money.
Two different deals and it totally nieve to think that one policy will work for them both. Walking into either of these situations with a happy face was not going to work. WAlking into North Korea with the backing of Russia, China, Japan, S. Korea, Tiawan, and the US...was gonig to and did work. The problem here is that OPal and far lefters
hate to see GWB conservative methods of international diplomancy have success. It up upsets the apple cart of the liberal methods of Barak.
The far left just want this to continue...so they can it was not a success in diplomancy and be force to give GWB and C. Rice some creidt to making it work....a really tricky international situation bieng counted as win. Winning in anything is concept of winning habit.
With Iraq becoming win, with the middle east becoming a win, and now with North Korea becoming a win.....sound like a neat habit of wins to me. But they cannot salute because.....does not fit the far left spin on all the supposed failures.
of Pakistan.....ceasefire and truce but still technically at war...solid ally in S. Korea. Vastly different than Sadam, Iraq and AlQeada connections.
It like saying one set of policies matrix.....will work for every country situation. But they are vastly different. simply by geography, players,
events, threats.
North Korea never got a long range missile with range to reach the US.
Even though it had nucs...and only a few....they were not a direct threat to the US.
Sadam and AlQeada terrorism? Well as I have said maytime in the past, money man and a deliverer....dead Americans on the streets.
A deliverer with a proven history on 9/11. A money man with a bundle of money.
Two different deals and it totally nieve to think that one policy will work for them both. Walking into either of these situations with a happy face was not going to work. WAlking into North Korea with the backing of Russia, China, Japan, S. Korea, Tiawan, and the US...was gonig to and did work. The problem here is that OPal and far lefters
hate to see GWB conservative methods of international diplomancy have success. It up upsets the apple cart of the liberal methods of Barak.
The far left just want this to continue...so they can it was not a success in diplomancy and be force to give GWB and C. Rice some creidt to making it work....a really tricky international situation bieng counted as win. Winning in anything is concept of winning habit.
With Iraq becoming win, with the middle east becoming a win, and now with North Korea becoming a win.....sound like a neat habit of wins to me. But they cannot salute because.....does not fit the far left spin on all the supposed failures.
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I was just providing the full quote from his book because I don't like misquotes.