Obama for President........duodenary (851)
Sorry to interrupt anybody's train of thought. just wondered if you had seen this video of Newt Gingrich discussing oil??? FYI
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opalbeauty: I always thing you get your time frames mixed up. I don't think it has been being worked for years, but, yeah, Chinia deserves a lot of credit.
Nothing wrong with my memory Opal. Here's the time line. The crisis started in 2002 and talks/negotiations have been conducted (off and on) since that time.
China does deserve it's share of the credit as do other participants. This unfortunately includes the much hated Bush Administration.
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I would like to see Isreal disarm next if they expect Iran to. Because they have broken twice as many UN resolutions than Iraq did. And if they don't America should take their nukes out when they take out Irans.
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WhatUwish4: Sorry to interrupt anybody's train of thought. just wondered if you had seen this video of Newt Gingrich discussing oil??? FYIhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=UOpcPfAarjY
Interesting indeed.. Go Newt!!!!
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Sparky55: Interesting indeed.. Go Newt!!!!
I thought so. Interesting how he discusses OUTSIDE countries speculating......
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Just makes you wonder about 9/11 all over again.
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Sparky55: Nothing wrong with my memory Opal. Here's the time line. The crisis started in 2002 and talks/negotiations have been conducted (off and on) since that time.
China does deserve it's share of the credit as do other participants. This unfortunately includes the much hated Bush Administration.
China does deserve it's share of the credit as do other participants. This unfortunately includes the much hated Bush Administration.
I know the time line. In 2002 North Korea told Bush defiantely, "We Got the Bomb" They even fired a test missile. Bush couldn't do anything but talk our army was stretched so thin.
Now what does Bush do he offers a plan nearly identical to the 'Agreed Framework' negotiated by the Clintion Adinistration in 1994, which Mr. Diplomacy Bush all but rejected in 2001. In that agreement, the U.S. also promised aid, a light-water reactor and the possibility of normal relations in exchange for a guarantee from North Korea that it would mothball its nuclear weapons program.
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opalbeauty: I would like to see Isreal disarm next if they expect Iran to. Because they have broken twice as many UN resolutions than Iraq did. And if they don't America should take their nukes out when they take out Irans.
You must have vacated something!!
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opalbeauty: I know the time line. In 2002 North Korea told Bush defiantely, "We Got the Bomb" They even fired a test missile. Bush couldn't do anything but talk our army was stretched so thin.Now what does Bush do he offers a plan nearly identical to the 'Agreed Framework' negotiated by the Clintion Adinistration in 1994, which Mr. Diplomacy Bush all but rejected in 2001. In that agreement, the U.S. also promised aid, a light-water reactor and the possibility of normal relations in exchange for a guarantee from North Korea that it would mothball its nuclear weapons program.
Absolutely correct Opal.
They are very similar. it was a nuc for nuc deal: North Korea would freeze and eventually dismantle its nuclear fuel cycle, and in return, the United States and its allies would provide “proliferation-resistant” light-water reactors (LWRs) in addition to other means of energy, economic, and diplomatic compensation. Further, the IAEA would be able to account for what North Korea had done with all of its spent fuel.
Unfortunately, this was never fully implemented. Construction on the LWRs didn't even start until 2000, six years after the conclusion of the 1994 Agreed Framework. Additionally, the Clinton administration only partially implemented its commitment to ending economic sanctions and improving U.S.-North Korean relations. Yes, Clinton didn't keep his word. But to be fair, neither did North Korea, as they rejected IAEA inspection requests needed to determine what it had done with its spent fuel.
So I guess both Bush, Clinton along with the N. Korean government are guilty of not keeping up with the agreed framework. The only difference I see is that Clinton had 6 years and Bush had about 2. No matter, I'm sure it was the Republican controlled house and senate who can be blamed for Clinton's failure to meet his obligations, the crookedness of N. Korean president that prevented him from meeting his obligation and Bush's war monger mentality which can be blamed for the most recent crisis. It's just too easy to blame
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ttom500: I know Conrad, I did not want to crack the egg shell either and point out that Nader is a hardline liberal environmentalist. See Dude dance Nader into being a Libertian.....ought to have some here going blassitic. Just waiting for the fireworks
He is for McCain thats for sure.... and by that he is not environmentalist at all! There is only one real environmentalist to count on here and now and his name is Barack Obama......
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Dude! We missed you buddy. It's been really slow all day. I'm signing off and don't know who is still around. See what happens when you leave the group? We all just fall apart?
Good luck. Indy just popped in so maybe he's around. Don't know about the rest.
Good luck. Indy just popped in so maybe he's around. Don't know about the rest.
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Hot_Single_Dude: He is for McCain thats for sure.... and by that he is not environmentalist at all! There is only one real environmentalist to count on here and now and his name is Barack Obama......
Yes, Barak is the true environmentalist.
There will be a windmill in every yard. Damn dead birds will be everywhere. (Well, we know Big Ted won't have one...they mess up his view of the ocean.
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Did you hear Arnold has tols today that all those who are talking about off shore Drilling will bring the cost of Gaz down fast, is not just blowing smoke? Great to hear some repubes them selves knowing McCain is just all about
Arnold is even a strong supporter of McCain
He told once: "I,ll Be Back!" .......Now he is back to make the environmental issue about the campain to settle down
Arnold is even a strong supporter of McCain
He told once: "I,ll Be Back!" .......Now he is back to make the environmental issue about the campain to settle down
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Hot_Single_Dude: Did you hear Arnold has tols today that all those who are talking about off shore Drilling will bring the cost of Gaz down fast, is not just blowing smoke? Great to hear some repubes them selves knowing McCain is just all about
Arnold is even a strong supporter of McCain
He told once: "I,ll Be Back!" .......Now he is back to make the environmental issue about the campain to settle down
Arnold is even a strong supporter of McCain
He told once: "I,ll Be Back!" .......Now he is back to make the environmental issue about the campain to settle down
Under McCain's plan, the states would have the right to decide if they wanted offshore drilling. (A states rights type issue). If California doesn't want drilling, fine. But look at the gas prices as they have the highest prices in the country.
Personally, I would suggest that states get rewards if they allow drilling offshore.
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Hot_Single_Dude: Did you hear Arnold has tols today that all those who are talking about off shore Drilling will bring the cost of Gaz down fast, is not just blowing smoke? Great to hear some repubes them selves knowing McCain is just all about
Arnold is even a strong supporter of McCain
He told once: "I,ll Be Back!" .......Now he is back to make the environmental issue about the campain to settle down
Arnold is even a strong supporter of McCain
He told once: "I,ll Be Back!" .......Now he is back to make the environmental issue about the campain to settle down
Hey Dude, Here's a link I posted today. I'm not agruing with you, but I think old Newt has a good point here. He always was a "solutions" guy. Can't we just solve one problem here and move on to the next??
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WhatUwish4: Dude! We missed you buddy. It's been really slow all day. I'm signing off and don't know who is still around. See what happens when you leave the group? We all just fall apart?
Good luck. Indy just popped in so maybe he's around. Don't know about the rest.
Good luck. Indy just popped in so maybe he's around. Don't know about the rest.
About like a case of the clap....
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of Pakistan.....ceasefire and truce but still technically at war...solid ally in S. Korea. Vastly different than Sadam, Iraq and AlQeada connections.
It like saying one set of policies matrix.....will work for every country situation. But they are vastly different. simply by geography, players,
events, threats.
North Korea never got a long range missile with range to reach the US.
Even though it had nucs...and only a few....they were not a direct threat to the US.
Sadam and AlQeada terrorism? Well as I have said maytime in the past, money man and a deliverer....dead Americans on the streets.
A deliverer with a proven history on 9/11. A money man with a bundle of money.
Two different deals and it totally nieve to think that one policy will work for them both. Walking into either of these situations with a happy face was not going to work. WAlking into North Korea with the backing of Russia, China, Japan, S. Korea, Tiawan, and the US...was gonig to and did work. The problem here is that OPal and far lefters
hate to see GWB conservative methods of international diplomancy have success. It up upsets the apple cart of the liberal methods of Barak.
The far left just want this to continue...so they can it was not a success in diplomancy and be force to give GWB and C. Rice some creidt to making it work....a really tricky international situation bieng counted as win. Winning in anything is concept of winning habit.
With Iraq becoming win, with the middle east becoming a win, and now with North Korea becoming a win.....sound like a neat habit of wins to me. But they cannot salute because.....does not fit the far left spin on all the supposed failures.
I just gave credit were credit is due....China's diplomacy. No, Bush will never get credit from me or history for his illegal war that killed hundreds of thousands innocent people. That will never be a win to me. you don't win when you start illegal wars with the mentality that you can do and take what you want because might makes right. And if getting no bid contracts for oil is a win for you that is all you have right now. And more war to come if McCain is elected.