gillyloves69: victorian values or no victorian values !
I'm not sure I'd forgive him, either. But maybe one way to look at it is that he was like some uncontrolled, harmful force, acting out on his own demons.
To give an example, imagine how it would feel if some old, drunk codger ran over a loved one. I was thinking of that today for some reason, wondering how I'd feel. The first instinct would be rage, and perhaps wanting to throttle the guy. Then I thought: he's just some force, like a tornado or something (they're always on my mind this time of year!), and my loved one happened to be in his way.
Likewise, your dad was like some deranged force of nature, and you were his incidental target. Nothing you did wrong, nothing you did to deserve it - just one of those randomly horrible events that sometimes strikes us all. I think this might make him or people like him diminished in importance - and taking away their power is something I think any of us would benefit from.
i don't think' forgive' is the right word- especailly not being religious myself. I think the better thing is to 'accept' that it happened, and try to move on- and as said before, not make the same heinous mistakes that these 'people' made ( i use that term loosely- they don't deserve to be included with the rest of society)
To be able to move on, and be a valuable and successful person, as i feel you both have, is much better revenge than letting them be a part of your lives and continuing to control you emotions and feelings.
I realise this is easy for me to say, as i have never been even close to that situation ( well not with my father) and i hope it doesn't come across as patronising. Noone who hasn't been in that situation can ever pretend to understand what it is like
kissmedeeply: Well Gilly you dont have to Forgive if you dont want to...
It dont matter what anyone says..
Its About YOU...
And i am sure alot is in the same Boat as you...
But do you want to carry this to ur grave...???
be bitter for the rest of ur life???
Just asking some questions...
But then again its what you want to do and chose to do...
If it was me..
Really i cannot say what i could/would do...
Maybe i would forgive but not Forget...
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thumbsup: Good point!
Have you met any one that is bitter, oooh, bad news. My mother is bitter, I told her to stop being bitter, and live the rest of your life, don't waste it on bitterness.
coolieno1point fortin, Point Fortin Trinidad and Tobago546 posts
gillyloves69: victorian values or no victorian values !
MAN GROW UP! HOW OLD ARE U AND YOU STILL HAVE THIS GRUDE LOOK U NOW THATS OUR WAY WE PARENTS USE TO BEAT US SO WE WON'T DO WRONG, OR FOLLOW BAD COMPANY U SAY U HATE UR FATHER BECAUSE HE HIT U SO WHAT? I USED TO GET LICKS EVERY, SINGLE DAY FROM SCHOOL AND HOME ONE DAY I GOT LICKS TILL I PEED MYSELF, MY FRIEND GOT LICKS TILL HE BLED NOW HE AN HIS FATHER SO CLOSE AS ME AND MY FATHER THEY SAY U DON'T MISS THE WATER TILL THE WELL RUNS DRY, HATE YOUR FATHER, I LOVE MINES THAT I WOULD DIE FOR HIM.
ClaayerWild Wild South West, Cornwall, England UK15,888 posts
coolieno1: MAN GROW UP! HOW OLD ARE U AND YOU STILL HAVE THIS GRUDE LOOK U NOW THATS OUR WAY WE PARENTS USE TO BEAT US SO WE WON'T DO WRONG, OR FOLLOW BAD COMPANY U SAY U HATE UR FATHER BECAUSE HE HIT U SO WHAT? I USED TO GET LICKS EVERY, SINGLE DAY FROM SCHOOL AND HOME ONE DAY I GOT LICKS TILL I PEED MYSELF, MY FRIEND GOT LICKS TILL HE BLED NOW HE AN HIS FATHER SO CLOSE AS ME AND MY FATHER THEY SAY U DON'T MISS THE WATER TILL THE WELL RUNS DRY, HATE YOUR FATHER, I LOVE MINES THAT I WOULD DIE FOR HIM.
Good for you.. but everyone is different... and everyones experiences and lives are different.
They may often have similarities.. but they are NEVER the same.
coolieno1: MAN GROW UP! HOW OLD ARE U AND YOU STILL HAVE THIS GRUDE LOOK U NOW THATS OUR WAY WE PARENTS USE TO BEAT US SO WE WON'T DO WRONG, OR FOLLOW BAD COMPANY U SAY U HATE UR FATHER BECAUSE HE HIT U SO WHAT? I USED TO GET LICKS EVERY, SINGLE DAY FROM SCHOOL AND HOME ONE DAY I GOT LICKS TILL I PEED MYSELF, MY FRIEND GOT LICKS TILL HE BLED NOW HE AN HIS FATHER SO CLOSE AS ME AND MY FATHER THEY SAY U DON'T MISS THE WATER TILL THE WELL RUNS DRY, HATE YOUR FATHER, I LOVE MINES THAT I WOULD DIE FOR HIM.
'growing up' has nothing to do with it. i am glad you have got over the horror of your childhood- ( well done for that, i'm sure it was not easy) what happened to you is unforgiveable, but it may not be the same as happened to gilly/ shippoker- and some things are harder to come to terms with. i don't think accusing them of being immature is a terribly helpful way of helping them to accept the past and go on to the future
hollandgirlSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada4,464 posts
thewall2: Forgiveness is not saying it's o.k what somebody did to you......Forgivenes is saying,''It's OVER.''
Yes you are sooo right it is over. I figured this out pretty quick, after I left my ex. I realized while I felt hurt ect. that one day I thought you know you dumb dumb, while your think about him this way, he may be out dancing just having a gay old time. It changed me. Yes I accepted that it was over.
gillyloves69: victorian values or no victorian values !
You were probably a bad boy and maybe deserved it! He should give you another whack for the name you chose, Gillyloves69. bad boy!! Sometimes a little Victorian is a good thing!
To be beaten by your father is terrible thing. The beating is not the worst part. It is the love and self worth that is in doubt that tears at a person. You don't have to forgive.....he earned every bit of what you feel. He worked hard for it and never understood the wrongness of it and never asked forgiveness. One thing you need to understand is that HE had a problem that HE could not deal with. This problem was handled by a man who used you to control HIS problem for himself. He was wrong....have pity on him. You don't have to forgive for him....but try to forget and focus on pity for a weak man.....do this for yourself.
If a dog is in pain and you go to it. If the dog bites you because you touched it.....it was the pain that caused the bite and not the dog. it was dealing with its pain as best as it was able. It does not make it right...but understandable. If we focus on dealing with our own pain and not biting those around us....we do ourselves a great service and do not pass the pain on to another.
To forgive...no! Forget and deal with your pain better than he did. Be a better man... a stronger man. Get the selfworth from inside you and the love you should have had from those to come into your life. Don't be a product of your past...be the product of the future that you make.
RillyNiceGuy: To be beaten by your father is terrible thing. The beating is not the worst part. It is the love and self worth that is in doubt that tears at a person. You don't have to forgive.....he earned every bit of what you feel. He worked hard for it and never understood the wrongness of it and never asked forgiveness. One thing you need to understand is that HE had a problem that HE could not deal with. This problem was handled by a man who used you to control HIS problem for himself. He was wrong....have pity on him. You don't have to forgive for him....but try to forget and focus on pity for a weak man.....do this for yourself.
If a dog is in pain and you go to it. If the dog bites you because you touched it.....it was the pain that caused the bite and not the dog. it was dealing with its pain as best as it was able. It does not make it right...but understandable. If we focus on dealing with our own pain and not biting those around us....we do ourselves a great service and do not pass the pain on to another.
To forgive...no! Forget and deal with your pain better than he did. Be a better man... a stronger man. Get the selfworth from inside you and the love you should have had from those to come into your life. Don't be a product of your past...be the product of the future that you make.
i copped beatings from father, sister relatives and even though i will never forget...i have forgiven...holding on to hate only breeds contempt...i got to realise the upbringing of my father and others were behind the way they learnt to treat others..to them it was normal behaviour and that to me was sad...once i understood what they had been put through..it made me understand the situation better...violence is never right...and you will only heal when you start to love who you are and realise you don't have to put up with that behaviour from ANYONE..once you find out how your father was treated growing up..it might help to understand his madness..i hope you heal and grow from this instead of leeting bring you down..best wishes for the future....:)
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