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Nov 3, 2008 9:07 PM CST How real is virtual?
Moema
MoemaMoemaBrasilia, Distrito Federal Brazil45 Threads 3 Polls 730 Posts
I´ve been in here for less than a month, and I´ve been spending loads of time here with you guys. I already know many of you better than I know my next door neighbor. I know details about some of your lives. Painful, pleasant, scary, joyful, whatever - INTIMATE details. I have even made some friends, and yes, I have even met someone who´s made me melt in my shoes (no I´m not telling you who he isdevil ).

The internet. It has speeded up my life. I run errands more quickly than ever. I pay my bills, I shop, I get pizza delivered, I get my groceries delivered, I study, I read, I find useful information and useless too. I MEET PEOPLE. I MAKE FRIENDS. All much faster.

However, the rules and procedures are the same. Why wouldn´t they be? It´s HUMANS behind the click clicks. This to me is very real. I remember my teen days when it took AGES to get to know that stud who was only into freaky little barbies, and when I did, what a waste of time it was. Internet saves me this trouble and time, it makes my life easier. I know what I want, and I can find it more quickly, with no more guarantees than I have out of this site.

So what´s the deal? Do I just close this site and make everything go away? Everyone? All the talks, all the life that´s being put in here? Should I do that just because I can? Because it´s true, I can. But it´s also true that in here we find people who care, people who listen, who are unafraid to share; people with problems, people who suffer, people who like me and people who don´t.

This, to me, is LIFE. Don´t tell me to get one. I´m using the available technology to help me live, just like centuries ago people used regular mail to meet, know each other, propose and get married. Were they more real than this?

I don´t need to get a life. I work hard. I study. I´m heading towards my Master´s degree. I direct a theater group. I teach, prepare lessons, correct homework, prepare and correct tests, I dance, I cry, I laugh, I talk, I recycle, I make plans, I change plans, I go to waterfalls, to the movies, read, play chess... I do all these things and a bit more. I´m not a sociopath, I´m not a psychopath, I´m a normal person.

I like some people here, I don´t like others. Some people like me, some don´t. I don´t need to be loved or love everyone. I am here for real, and I hate to think I can be "turned off" with "just a click" from someone else, when I am here, as real as I can be.

Wheew... Just thinking out loud...conversing
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Nov 3, 2008 9:10 PM CST How real is virtual?
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
but saying its fast-make friends faster?

nuh uh

wasnt a good idea for me in R/L
not a real or viable idea for me still

friendships take time

ive lived making fast friends its too weird-always fell apart and really hurt-ive been told normal people-well healthy people-dont operate that way...


dunno
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Nov 3, 2008 9:15 PM CST How real is virtual?
woody636
woody636woody636Elgin, Illinois USA3 Threads 1,267 Posts
Really strange, isn't it? You meet people here and become friends without really ever meeting them. Just plain weird! Some of the people I've talked to-- seems like you've know them all your life when in reality you've written a month or so. Think maybe its a little easier for everyone to be able to express themselves - maybe even show what's in their makeup - behind that curtain you call a handle.
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Nov 3, 2008 9:15 PM CST How real is virtual?
Moema
MoemaMoemaBrasilia, Distrito Federal Brazil45 Threads 3 Polls 730 Posts
mindfful: but saying its fast-make friends faster?

nuh uh

wasnt a good idea for me in R/L
not a real or viable idea for me still

friendships take time

ive lived making fast friends its too weird-always fell apart and really hurt-ive been told normal people-well healthy people-dont operate that way...


Define TIME.
I´ve known people for ages and they turn out not to be what they appear. I´ve even been married not knowing whom to. So time for what? To get to know people? Is time some sort of guarantee? Not to me. To me, FEELINGS are some SORT of guarantee; even they ensure nothing at all.
Wanna be safe? Lie in your coffin and wait til you die. There´, maybe nothing bad will happen to you.dunno
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Nov 3, 2008 9:16 PM CST How real is virtual?
Moema
MoemaMoemaBrasilia, Distrito Federal Brazil45 Threads 3 Polls 730 Posts
woody636: Really strange, isn't it? You meet people here and become friends without really ever meeting them. Just plain weird! Some of the people I've talked to-- seems like you've know them all your life when in reality you've written a month or so. Think maybe its a little easier for everyone to be able to express themselves - maybe even show what's in their makeup - behind that curtain you call a handle.


Yes Woody!!
Nice meeting you BTW!
Wanna tell me more about what you said?
wine
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Nov 3, 2008 9:17 PM CST How real is virtual?
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
Moema: I´ve been in here for less than a month, and I´ve been spending loads of time here with you guys. I already know many of you better than I know my next door neighbor. I know details about some of your lives. Painful, pleasant, scary, joyful, whatever - INTIMATE details. I have even made some friends, and yes, I have even met someone who´s made me melt in my shoes (no I´m not telling you who he is ).

The internet. It has speeded up my life. I run errands more quickly than ever. I pay my bills, I shop, I get pizza delivered, I get my groceries delivered, I study, I read, I find useful information and useless too. I MEET PEOPLE. I MAKE FRIENDS. All much faster.

However, the rules and procedures are the same. Why wouldn´t they be? It´s HUMANS behind the click clicks. This to me is very real. I remember my teen days when it took AGES to get to know that stud who was only into freaky little barbies, and when I did, what a waste of time it was. Internet saves me this trouble and time, it makes my life easier. I know what I want, and I can find it more quickly, with no more guarantees than I have out of this site.

So what´s the deal? Do I just close this site and make everything go away? Everyone? All the talks, all the life that´s being put in here? Should I do that just because I can? Because it´s true, I can. But it´s also true that in here we find people who care, people who listen, who are unafraid to share; people with problems, people who suffer, people who like me and people who don´t.

This, to me, is LIFE. Don´t tell me to get one. I´m using the available technology to help me live, just like centuries ago people used regular mail to meet, know each other, propose and get married. Were they more real than this?

I don´t need to get a life. I work hard. I study. I´m heading towards my Master´s degree. I direct a theater group. I teach, prepare lessons, correct homework, prepare and correct tests, I dance, I cry, I laugh, I talk, I recycle, I make plans, I change plans, I go to waterfalls, to the movies, read, play chess... I do all these things and a bit more. I´m not a sociopath, I´m not a psychopath, I´m a normal person.

I like some people here, I don´t like others. Some people like me, some don´t. I don´t need to be loved or love everyone. I am here for real, and I hate to think I can be "turned off" with "just a click" from someone else, when I am here, as real as I can be.

Wheew... Just thinking out loud...



Yeah, I know what you're saying.wink


We're all real people on the other end. hug


Well most anyway.laugh
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Nov 3, 2008 9:20 PM CST How real is virtual?
Moema
MoemaMoemaBrasilia, Distrito Federal Brazil45 Threads 3 Polls 730 Posts
kidatheart: Yeah, I know what you're saying. We're all real people on the other end. Well most anyway.


So it´s all real to you?
You don´t consider the internet an "unreal" place?
Why is "virtual" associated with "unreal"?wine
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Nov 3, 2008 9:22 PM CST How real is virtual?
woody636
woody636woody636Elgin, Illinois USA3 Threads 1,267 Posts
Moema: Yes Woody!!
Nice meeting you BTW!
Wanna tell me more about what you said?


Back at ya!wave I think you can bare more of your soul to people online just BECAUSE of the fact that no one really knows who/what you are. You don't have to hide your true self like most end up doing in their real life/job/ect. You and I are a thousand miles apart yet we can sit here and type about our innermost feelings to each other knowing that most likely we will never meet and getting almost instant responses to questions, hurts, happiness, ect. Simply incredible.
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Nov 3, 2008 9:30 PM CST How real is virtual?
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
I understand your thinking, I do much of the same thing. People sit at the computers and get on dating sites for various reasons. "MY" reason, is I caretake my elderly mother and I feel I need to be responsible and be here as much as possible.. Do I find it hindering? Yes, I do. I have always been an extremely active person, on the go often. Today, I cannot do this but I also realize what I am now doing is only temporary.

I have no clue as to why some can just sit here hour after hour, day after day with nothing holding them back from going out and socializing. If it were not for my friends here that I can pop over and have coffee with several time a week, I would be locked in a rubber room..
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Nov 3, 2008 9:31 PM CST How real is virtual?
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
Moema: So it´s all real to you?
You don´t consider the internet an "unreal" place?
Why is "virtual" associated with "unreal"?



If by "real" you mean that the people are real people, the conversations are real and the topics discussed are real, then yes. Some people aren't all that they appear to be, and some are more.
It's no different than anywhere else in life you would meet someone and have a chat, other than you don't have to leave your house or country to have that chat with someone halfway around the world.

I don't see it as "virtual" and don't treat it that way either. I'd have the same conversations and like/dislike the same people as I would if we were all in the same room together.

wine
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Nov 3, 2008 9:34 PM CST How real is virtual?
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
kidatheart: If by "real" you mean that the people are real people, the conversations are real and the topics discussed are real, then yes. Some people aren't all that they appear to be, and some are more.
It's no different than anywhere else in life you would meet someone and have a chat, other than you don't have to leave your house or country to have that chat with someone halfway around the world.

I don't see it as "virtual" and don't treat it that way either. I'd have the same conversations and like/dislike the same people as I would if we were all in the same room together.


You don't think there would be a difference??
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Nov 3, 2008 9:37 PM CST How real is virtual?
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
HJFinAZ: You don't think there would be a difference??



Not if I perceived them in the same manner as I do after reading their posts for this amount of time. You do get to know a bit about people from what they write, or at least what they want you to see. wink

I have no reason to pretend to be anything other than what I am. Like it or don't.laugh
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Nov 4, 2008 5:13 AM CST How real is virtual?
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada87 Threads 3 Polls 1,561 Posts
Moema: I´ve been in here for less than a month, and I´ve been spending loads of time here with you guys. I already know many of you better than I know my next door neighbor. I know details about some of your lives. Painful, pleasant, scary, joyful, whatever - INTIMATE details. I have even made some friends, and yes, I have even met someone who´s made me melt in my shoes (no I´m not telling you who he is ).

However, the rules and procedures are the same. Why wouldn´t they be? It´s HUMANS behind the click clicks. This to me is very real. I remember my teen days when it took AGES to get to know that stud who was only into freaky little barbies, and when I did, what a waste of time it was. Internet saves me this trouble and time, it makes my life easier. I know what I want, and I can find it more quickly, with no more guarantees than I have out of this site.

So what´s the deal? Do I just close this site and make everything go away? Everyone? All the talks, all the life that´s being put in here? Should I do that just because I can? Because it´s true, I can. But it´s also true that in here we find people who care, people who listen, who are unafraid to share; people with problems, people who suffer, people who like me and people who don´t.

This, to me, is LIFE. Don´t tell me to get one. I´m using the available technology to help me live, just like centuries ago people used regular mail to meet, know each other, propose and get married. Were they more real than this?

I don´t need to get a life. I work hard. I study. I´m heading towards my Master´s degree. I direct a theater group. I teach, prepare lessons, correct homework, prepare and correct tests, I dance, I cry, I laugh, I talk, I recycle, I make plans, I change plans, I go to waterfalls, to the movies, read, play chess... I do all these things and a bit more. I´m not a sociopath, I´m not a psychopath, I´m a normal person.

Wheew... Just thinking out loud...


Those truthfully seeking something more in their lives in the way of Love have a decided advantage through this sort of discourse, that is more difficult to attain in real life. I believe that because of the 'limitations' you have to provide more of yourself to others rather than allow sheer magnetism, charisma and the intangibles of physical presence to garner a second look. Our pictures might draw the eye of some few who can see clearer or hope deeper than others, but our words are expressions more complex than what typically occurs in natural face to face discourse.
Of course we have threads based on the weather and other casual topics, mainly for fun or to vent frustrations, but there are always a plethora of threads that will drive you to know more of yourself through participation. In getting to know one's self we often see what we find in others of a similar mind and this is the sort of thing that true relationships of worth can be built on. Our eyes may be the primary sense we rely on but here we are forced to use all of our being to best filter out what we are actually seeing. In doing so it is possible to work through in a much shorter time frame many of the things that inherently destroy relationships that never sought deep enough for the truth in both ourselves and in others.
Sure a few casual words strung together can attract a person but there is always the post listing to check in to to see what else has come from this mind that intrigues us to check the mindset or moral view that this person has. It is a form of cheating I suppose as in life if we were to check into the conversations between someone we are interested in that they had with others where we were not involved it would engender defeat of purpose and likely create ill will. Here it is common and expected.
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Nov 4, 2008 5:35 AM CST How real is virtual?
Darkhorseman
DarkhorsemanDarkhorsemanGladstonia ... it's a strange, Queensland Australia40 Threads 3 Polls 1,304 Posts
Virtually real ... and you will meet some really good virtual company here. You only have to talk to them when you feel like it, you don't have to pick up their discarded dsirty clothes, they won't keep you awake with their snoring ... Really GOOD VALUE friends.
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Nov 4, 2008 6:01 AM CST How real is virtual?
Daniel4021
Daniel4021Daniel4021Somewhere, Tennessee USA157 Threads 8,986 Posts
I have always viewed virtual as a gateway for real people to bridge the gap of distance, where as without it, there would be people we would never come into contact with, I believe with all the dirversity we can truly learn something from others and their experiences to help us see things from another's point of view that without them we may never have realized on our own.. Yes it is real, there are living breathing people on the other end of the computer screen with real emotions, wants, desires and needs.. and sometimes we are not so sensitive to those that are truly reaching out.. but then we are all only human and sometimes we just don't see things when we should..
JMO
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Nov 4, 2008 6:15 AM CST How real is virtual?
Kevint
KevintKevintWorcester, Home of the sauce, West Midlands, England UK6 Threads 433 Posts
Online dating for me has always been a bit of a dilemma, I read the posts as I would a book, but knowing its all a front a virtual window created with many panes of coloured glass , but reality can then be like the film of this book, never quite matching up to the way you interpreted the story or the characters. And you land with a bump back in real life with real events.
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Nov 4, 2008 6:28 AM CST How real is virtual?
Moema
MoemaMoemaBrasilia, Distrito Federal Brazil45 Threads 3 Polls 730 Posts
Kevint: Online dating for me has always been a bit of a dilemma, I read the posts as I would a book, but knowing its all a front a virtual window created with many panes of coloured glass , but reality can then be like the film of this book, never quite matching up to the way you interpreted the story or the characters. And you land with a bump back in real life with real events.


The reason why I don´t think virtual is "unreal" is because we here are subject to the same things we are out of here. I´ve met great people and made friends through internet, and I´ve had several years relationships that were nothing they seemed to be. The opposite also happens. I´ve met people online and landed with a bump, and I´ve made good friends online. Same thing "offline". So is the virtual really so much more unreliable?
dunno
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Nov 4, 2008 6:34 AM CST How real is virtual?
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada87 Threads 3 Polls 1,561 Posts
Moema: The reason why I don´t think virtual is "unreal" is because we here are subject to the same things we are out of here. I´ve met great people and made friends through internet, and I´ve had several years relationships that were nothing they seemed to be. The opposite also happens. I´ve met people online and landed with a bump, and I´ve made good friends online. Same thing "offline". So is the virtual really so much more unreliable?


Without communication there is no depth to any relationship. The means or medium is not important but rather the ability and willingness to participate is the key. There are no wrong answers just differing opinions which may or may not shed light or open doors. We cannot make anyone like us but likewise we cannot make anyone dislike us, it is in their choice to do either, and the responsibility lies within ourselves.
If we fail it is not through the actions or words of others but merely our own inability to succeed or try which in truth is the ultimate failure and perhaps the only one.
This world is as real as the one we wake to every day, filled with the same possibilities and opportunities, we just have to take the first step more often here.
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Nov 4, 2008 6:53 AM CST How real is virtual?
Kevint
KevintKevintWorcester, Home of the sauce, West Midlands, England UK6 Threads 433 Posts
BarrenPneuma: Without communication there is no depth to any relationship. The means or medium is not important but rather the ability and willingness to participate is the key. There are no wrong answers just differing opinions which may or may not shed light or open doors. We cannot make anyone like us but likewise we cannot make anyone dislike us, it is in their choice to do either, and the responsibility lies within ourselves.
If we fail it is not through the actions or words of others but merely our own inability to succeed or try which in truth is the ultimate failure and perhaps the only one.
This world is as real as the one we wake to every day, filled with the same possibilities and opportunities, we just have to take the first step more often here.


Yes I agree,of course you are right on all your points, but there are those, who hide behind a cloak, who can become the person they want to be in real life, who think that with this virtual persona they will be liked more, but who know that they can never be that Un-Real person, yes its inside them, but they just don’t have the courage, inner faith call it what you will, to become that person in real life. These are then frightened to meet others, and when the chance comes up make all the excuses and run else they get discovered, And the silly thing is that they are probably just as nice in real life as in their virtual persona.
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Nov 4, 2008 7:20 AM CST How real is virtual?
BarrenPneuma
BarrenPneumaBarrenPneumaGolden Staircase, Ontario Canada87 Threads 3 Polls 1,561 Posts
Kevint: Yes I agree,of course you are right on all your points, but there are those, who hide behind a cloak, who can become the person they want to be in real life, who think that with this virtual persona they will be liked more, but who know that they can never be that Un-Real person, yes its inside them, but they just don’t have the courage, inner faith call it what you will, to become that person in real life. These are then frightened to meet others, and when the chance comes up make all the excuses and run else they get discovered, And the silly thing is that they are probably just as nice in real life as in their virtual persona.


Self-doubt plagues not only one but all. It is what we choose to do about our own selves that matters. Change only occurs within of a lasting nature. Perhaps the cloak is the picture of whom they truly wish to be? Perhaps it is in granting total trust that they will attain these goals of definition? Confidence can be bolstered through care and kindness. There is no need to allow some veil to slip over our eyes in this to allow them to parade about in the midst of mutiple personalities of course as there is no gain for them and a great possibility of loss to us but faith is wicked powerful and could move mountains if the presence amounts to the tiniest grain of a mustard seed.
If a child is told through words or actions, reactions or looks that they are a failure in any way they often become exactly that, but given the support of Love they can overcome all obstacles. The greatest reward of Faith and Hope is Love. And the three must be given simultaneously to have any worth. Fear is the absence of Love and is not all powerful. Nothing can contend with Love delived in the pure form in which we draw it forth from the ether surrounding us. Just maintain its purity and it will burn the fear and doubt away like dew in the face of the sunrise. Time is our lone currency, spend it sharing the one gift we have in an unlimited supply- Love. Love is not a question it is the answer to all questions that have any sort of worth.
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