Who should bail-out Europe? (123)
AtwoZ: Naah..maybe two really....can´t recall....or three.....what the heck,that´s what she told me anyway,-I do recall....Maybe I´m wrong....
Well, thats just great, it took two or three bottles of wine for her to tell you you're good looking
Sunnydaze14: Well, thats just great, it took two or three bottles of wine for her to tell you you're good looking
HHey,better than four....
Chrisys: Time for an old man like myself to retire to the hills somewhere and watch the world destroy itself again. We learn nothing from our history, we just keep repeating the same old nonsense with the same results. of course we have to have a war, makes alot of money for the usual interests and kills off enough people to reduce world population and relieves food (in) security.
Then we can all say, "never again" start to rebuild the world economy and in a few decades have yet another financial crisis due to the imballance of the haves and have not's. The answer then is to have a war .......
Then we can all say, "never again" start to rebuild the world economy and in a few decades have yet another financial crisis due to the imballance of the haves and have not's. The answer then is to have a war .......
I may agree?
Chrisys: Time for an old man like myself to retire to the hills somewhere and watch the world destroy itself again.
You got it.
TheRedSquirrel86: War is not viable. Modern warfare poses too much threat. Two men do not fight when they both know in advance they will be killed, one or both men think will win, that's why you get fights. But in a situation where both men knew in advance that they were to be killed then you don't get the fight, Man is not so mad as that.
War has always been rather negative for most people.
And every generation vows to never do it again.
But it only takes a few years till they start a new war.
Some people profit from wars. And they have a lot of influence.
In big wars there are millions of people with nothing to win personally and a strong probability of getting killed. But still they go. Not because they want to. Not because they rationally think it's a good idea. But because they are told it is their duty and there is someone with a gun forcing them along.
The MAD doctrine is only a deterrent if both sides are actually crazy enough to launch a nuclear war. And there are regular drills to verify that "yes", they are indeed crazy enough to do it.
And now there are those like Brzezinski who speak openly of "acceptable casualty levels" in a "limited nuclear war".
There is no limit to the potential for insanity among the power elite.
RayfromUSA: You got it.
How you figure Ray? There's no electricity up in them there high hills to power your guitar.. Wo, what's gonna inspire you then. 
RayfromUSA: War has always been rather negative for most people.
And every generation vows to never do it again.
But it only takes a few years till they start a new war.
Some people profit from wars. And they have a lot of influence.
In big wars there are millions of people with nothing to win personally and a strong probability of getting killed. But still they go. Not because they want to. Not because they rationally think it's a good idea. But because they are told it is their duty and there is someone with a gun forcing them along.
The MAD doctrine is only a deterrent if both sides are actually crazy enough to launch a nuclear war. And there are regular drills to verify that "yes", they are indeed crazy enough to do it.
And now there are those like Brzezinski who speak openly of "acceptable casualty levels" in a "limited nuclear war".
There is no limit to the potential for insanity among the power elite.
And every generation vows to never do it again.
But it only takes a few years till they start a new war.
Some people profit from wars. And they have a lot of influence.
In big wars there are millions of people with nothing to win personally and a strong probability of getting killed. But still they go. Not because they want to. Not because they rationally think it's a good idea. But because they are told it is their duty and there is someone with a gun forcing them along.
The MAD doctrine is only a deterrent if both sides are actually crazy enough to launch a nuclear war. And there are regular drills to verify that "yes", they are indeed crazy enough to do it.
And now there are those like Brzezinski who speak openly of "acceptable casualty levels" in a "limited nuclear war".
There is no limit to the potential for insanity among the power elite.
We're all peasants. We're all serfs here. Is that why you left the usa?
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wrong answer Gal . I live in an isolated area miles from the road and usual services . Heaps of power if you know what to do . One thing for sure I don't want a whole lot of refugees turning up . Spoils the ambiance of the back country with tent citys around 
Boban1: Check this out folks...http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3
Good stuff Boban.... one of the better conspiracy theories I;ve heard to date. Now my soul growth, Ascension and the evolution of consciousness is vastly improved.
Boban1: Check this out folks...http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3
did I miss something here ? I may have pushed the wrong link , but the guys that nuked Japan must have found the fountain of youth as they would be 140 years old by nowepirb: I see ,I stand corrected ,I will pay closer attention to what I hear from now on .Say , did those guys get paid for the work on that link ?
one of them is David Wilcock ,you can check out some of his speeches on youtube,Don`t know the other guy ...having in mind that no one does much purely out of some altruistic needs ,I suppose in one way or another, its about making money...
look at this video. kinda says what bo's video was saying.
the answer The bankers
Boban1: Check this out folks...http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-9-14.mp3
I think it would be more believeable if the link said " a 9.4 earthquake was felt in Pakistan lastnight which was caused by a nuclear blast in Tehran which is now floating in the Caspian sea . 
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african countries could since they've had all their debt cancelled
.... ....
....kermit2007: african countries could since they've had all their debt cancelled
is that the same thing as forgiven? .... RayfromUSA: War has always been rather negative for most people.
And every generation vows to never do it again.
But it only takes a few years till they start a new war.
Some people profit from wars. And they have a lot of influence.
In big wars there are millions of people with nothing to win personally and a strong probability of getting killed. But still they go. Not because they want to. Not because they rationally think it's a good idea. But because they are told it is their duty and there is someone with a gun forcing them along.
The MAD doctrine is only a deterrent if both sides are actually crazy enough to launch a nuclear war. And there are regular drills to verify that "yes", they are indeed crazy enough to do it.
And now there are those like Brzezinski who speak openly of "acceptable casualty levels" in a "limited nuclear war".
There is no limit to the potential for insanity among the power elite.
And every generation vows to never do it again.
But it only takes a few years till they start a new war.
Some people profit from wars. And they have a lot of influence.
In big wars there are millions of people with nothing to win personally and a strong probability of getting killed. But still they go. Not because they want to. Not because they rationally think it's a good idea. But because they are told it is their duty and there is someone with a gun forcing them along.
The MAD doctrine is only a deterrent if both sides are actually crazy enough to launch a nuclear war. And there are regular drills to verify that "yes", they are indeed crazy enough to do it.
And now there are those like Brzezinski who speak openly of "acceptable casualty levels" in a "limited nuclear war".
There is no limit to the potential for insanity among the power elite.
I'd disagree with what you say about how the average person feels about war, in the WWI people were very eager to get stuck in at the fighting, especially at the beginning. However, WWII, where the war was more "just", people were far less enthusiastic for the fight - probably because they remembered the first war. I Think it was Homer that said "Men grow tired of love, sleep, singing and dancing before war", I think he was right.
I'd of course be wrong to say that war definitely won't happen, that war is impossible. However, it's an almost pointless scenario to imagine, it'd be like the sun blowing up. Absolutely nothing we could do before, during or after, it's just game over. I still very much doubt we'll see war between nations, uprisings and civil war yea, but not war between nations.
TheRedSquirrel86: I'd disagree with what you say about how the average person feels about war, in the WWI people were very eager to get stuck in at the fighting, especially at the beginning. However, WWII, where the war was more "just", people were far less enthusiastic for the fight - probably because they remembered the first war. I Think it was Homer that said "Men grow tired of love, sleep, singing and dancing before war", I think he was right.
I'd of course be wrong to say that war definitely won't happen, that war is impossible. However, it's an almost pointless scenario to imagine, it'd be like the sun blowing up. Absolutely nothing we could do before, during or after, it's just game over. I still very much doubt we'll see war between nations, uprisings and civil war yea, but not war between nations.
I'd of course be wrong to say that war definitely won't happen, that war is impossible. However, it's an almost pointless scenario to imagine, it'd be like the sun blowing up. Absolutely nothing we could do before, during or after, it's just game over. I still very much doubt we'll see war between nations, uprisings and civil war yea, but not war between nations.
hey, TredS
that's wishful thinking and I like the idea but the usa presently is fighting in foreign countries.... I believe any war on terrorism is usually fighting among nations.
galrads: hey, TredS
that's wishful thinking and I like the idea but the usa presently is fighting in foreign countries.... I believe any war on terrorism is usually fighting among nations.
that's wishful thinking and I like the idea but the usa presently is fighting in foreign countries.... I believe any war on terrorism is usually fighting among nations.
I mean real nations, Gal, not a fight between the World's leader and the World's arsehole, a fight between nations of an equal stature, nations with the equal potential to annihilate one another. The reason why the Cold War never became open war.
Euro Crisis Destabilizing the Dollar
In response to pressure from Wall Street, the White House and central banks in Europe, the Federal Reserve last week drastically cut interest rates for currency swaps to benefit troubled European banks. This will flood world markets with more dollars and will soon mean rising prices for every American at the grocery store. This extra liquidity will temporarily ease the cash crunch for irresponsible bankers, but in the long run it will make the situation much worse for consumers all over the world. Equities markets registered big gains at the news, but only for a day. Make no mistake - this is not capitalism, and this is not how a free market operates. In a free market, bankruptcies happen, even to large banks. We must remember, free markets are the true and best regulators of financial mismanagement.
By contrast, under our current form of special interest corporatism certain businesses are granted too-big-to-fail status and are never allowed to go bankrupt. They keep profits generated during the good times generated by the Fed's monetary inflation, yet their losses are socialized through inflationary bailouts. This means you and your family eventually pay for the Fed's decisions because every dollar you earn is worth less. Few people make the connection that they have enriched bankers in Europe through doubling and tripling prices on milk, eggs, gasoline, and clothing, but that is exactly what is happening. The increased pace and size of these types of desperate financial maneuvers means price inflation will hit sooner and far too fast for wages to keep up. This is how the middle class gets wiped out, as has happened so many times in the past when fiat money fails.
The Fed's latest actions in cooperating with foreign central banks to undertake liquidity swaps of dollars for foreign currencies is just one more reason why Congress needs enhanced power to oversee and audit the Fed. Under current law Congress cannot examine these types of arrangements. Those who would argue that auditing the Fed or these agreements with central banks harms the Fed's independence should reevaluate the Fed's supposed independence when the Fed bails out Europe so soon after President Obama promised US assistance in resolving the Euro crisis.
Rather than calming markets, these arrangements should indicate just how frightened governments around the world are about the European financial crisis. Central banks are grasping at straws, hoping that flooding the world with money created out of thin air will somehow resolve a crisis caused by uncontrolled government spending and irresponsible debt issuance. But those governments and central banks never grasp that it is their own monetary policies that allowed European banks to become so wantonly overleveraged in the first place. If those banks need liquidity, they should generate it the old fashioned way: by attracting depositors. If they cannot do so, they should be allowed to fail. Congress should not permit this type of open-ended commitment on the part of the Fed, a commitment which could easily cost American taxpayers trillions of dollars. These dollar swaps are purely inflationary and will harm Americans as much as any form of quantitative easing.
Americans deserve sound money that cannot be manipulated and created out of thin air by central planners who deceitfully promise prosperity. Fiat money caused this European crisis and the financial crisis before it. More fiat money is not the cure. The global fiat currency system has proven itself a failure. We need real monetary reform. We need sound money.
In response to pressure from Wall Street, the White House and central banks in Europe, the Federal Reserve last week drastically cut interest rates for currency swaps to benefit troubled European banks. This will flood world markets with more dollars and will soon mean rising prices for every American at the grocery store. This extra liquidity will temporarily ease the cash crunch for irresponsible bankers, but in the long run it will make the situation much worse for consumers all over the world. Equities markets registered big gains at the news, but only for a day. Make no mistake - this is not capitalism, and this is not how a free market operates. In a free market, bankruptcies happen, even to large banks. We must remember, free markets are the true and best regulators of financial mismanagement.
By contrast, under our current form of special interest corporatism certain businesses are granted too-big-to-fail status and are never allowed to go bankrupt. They keep profits generated during the good times generated by the Fed's monetary inflation, yet their losses are socialized through inflationary bailouts. This means you and your family eventually pay for the Fed's decisions because every dollar you earn is worth less. Few people make the connection that they have enriched bankers in Europe through doubling and tripling prices on milk, eggs, gasoline, and clothing, but that is exactly what is happening. The increased pace and size of these types of desperate financial maneuvers means price inflation will hit sooner and far too fast for wages to keep up. This is how the middle class gets wiped out, as has happened so many times in the past when fiat money fails.
The Fed's latest actions in cooperating with foreign central banks to undertake liquidity swaps of dollars for foreign currencies is just one more reason why Congress needs enhanced power to oversee and audit the Fed. Under current law Congress cannot examine these types of arrangements. Those who would argue that auditing the Fed or these agreements with central banks harms the Fed's independence should reevaluate the Fed's supposed independence when the Fed bails out Europe so soon after President Obama promised US assistance in resolving the Euro crisis.
Rather than calming markets, these arrangements should indicate just how frightened governments around the world are about the European financial crisis. Central banks are grasping at straws, hoping that flooding the world with money created out of thin air will somehow resolve a crisis caused by uncontrolled government spending and irresponsible debt issuance. But those governments and central banks never grasp that it is their own monetary policies that allowed European banks to become so wantonly overleveraged in the first place. If those banks need liquidity, they should generate it the old fashioned way: by attracting depositors. If they cannot do so, they should be allowed to fail. Congress should not permit this type of open-ended commitment on the part of the Fed, a commitment which could easily cost American taxpayers trillions of dollars. These dollar swaps are purely inflationary and will harm Americans as much as any form of quantitative easing.
Americans deserve sound money that cannot be manipulated and created out of thin air by central planners who deceitfully promise prosperity. Fiat money caused this European crisis and the financial crisis before it. More fiat money is not the cure. The global fiat currency system has proven itself a failure. We need real monetary reform. We need sound money.
HealthyLiving: Euro Crisis Destabilizing the Dollar
response to pressure from Wall Street, the White House and central banks in Europe, the Federal Reserve last week drastically cut interest rates for currency swaps to benefit troubled European banks. This will flood world markets with more dollars and will soon mean rising prices for every American at the grocery store. This extra liquidity will temporarily ease the cash crunch for irresponsible bankers, but in the long run it will make the situation much worse for consumers all over the world. Equities markets registered big gains at the news, but only for a day. Make no mistake - this is not capitalism, and this is not how a free market operates. In a free market, bankruptcies happen, even to large banks. We must remember, free markets are the true and best regulators of financial mismanagement.
The Fed's latest actions in cooperating with foreign central banks to undertake liquidity swaps of dollars for foreign currencies is just one more reason why Congress needs enhanced power to oversee and audit the Fed. Under current law Congress cannot examine these types of arrangements. Those who would argue that auditing the Fed or these agreements with central banks harms the Fed's independence should reevaluate the Fed's supposed independence when the Fed bails out Europe so soon after President Obama promised US assistance in resolving the Euro crisis.
Rather than calming markets, these arrangements should indicate just how frightened governments around the world are about the European financial crisis. Central banks are grasping at straws, hoping that flooding the world with money created out of thin air will somehow resolve a crisis caused by uncontrolled government spending and irresponsible debt issuance. But those governments and central banks never grasp that it is their own monetary policies that allowed European banks to become so wantonly overleveraged in the first place. If those banks need liquidity, they should generate it the old fashioned way: by attracting depositors. If they cannot do so, they should be allowed to fail. Congress should not permit this type of open-ended commitment on the part of the Fed, a commitment which could easily cost American taxpayers trillions of dollars. These dollar swaps are purely inflationary and will harm Americans as much as any form of quantitative easing.
Americans deserve sound money that cannot be manipulated and created out of thin air by central planners who deceitfully promise prosperity. Fiat money caused this European crisis and the financial crisis before it. More fiat money is not the cure. The global fiat currency system has proven itself a failure. We need real monetary reform. We need sound money.
response to pressure from Wall Street, the White House and central banks in Europe, the Federal Reserve last week drastically cut interest rates for currency swaps to benefit troubled European banks. This will flood world markets with more dollars and will soon mean rising prices for every American at the grocery store. This extra liquidity will temporarily ease the cash crunch for irresponsible bankers, but in the long run it will make the situation much worse for consumers all over the world. Equities markets registered big gains at the news, but only for a day. Make no mistake - this is not capitalism, and this is not how a free market operates. In a free market, bankruptcies happen, even to large banks. We must remember, free markets are the true and best regulators of financial mismanagement.
The Fed's latest actions in cooperating with foreign central banks to undertake liquidity swaps of dollars for foreign currencies is just one more reason why Congress needs enhanced power to oversee and audit the Fed. Under current law Congress cannot examine these types of arrangements. Those who would argue that auditing the Fed or these agreements with central banks harms the Fed's independence should reevaluate the Fed's supposed independence when the Fed bails out Europe so soon after President Obama promised US assistance in resolving the Euro crisis.
Rather than calming markets, these arrangements should indicate just how frightened governments around the world are about the European financial crisis. Central banks are grasping at straws, hoping that flooding the world with money created out of thin air will somehow resolve a crisis caused by uncontrolled government spending and irresponsible debt issuance. But those governments and central banks never grasp that it is their own monetary policies that allowed European banks to become so wantonly overleveraged in the first place. If those banks need liquidity, they should generate it the old fashioned way: by attracting depositors. If they cannot do so, they should be allowed to fail. Congress should not permit this type of open-ended commitment on the part of the Fed, a commitment which could easily cost American taxpayers trillions of dollars. These dollar swaps are purely inflationary and will harm Americans as much as any form of quantitative easing.
Americans deserve sound money that cannot be manipulated and created out of thin air by central planners who deceitfully promise prosperity. Fiat money caused this European crisis and the financial crisis before it. More fiat money is not the cure. The global fiat currency system has proven itself a failure. We need real monetary reform. We need sound money.
are you suggesting that we do something right like going back on a gold standard? Our corrupt leaders couldn't afford to do the things they want to do then.
there was only two things left needed to create chaos in the u.s. after our congress of 1913 screwed us along with woodrow wilson by creating a central banking system and the creation of a federal income tax here to pay the interest the private bankers charged to print and issue money our money. i wish we could bring back lincoln's government printed green-backs.
kermit2007: african countries could since they've had all their debt cancelled
That was all a scam. Their debt wasn't canceled at all.
Instead the vulture funds acquired the debt for a song and still pressed the poor countries to pay the original sum (even though they had payed for the loan many times over by due to skyrocketing interest rates and penalties).
galrads: How you figure Ray? There's no electricity up in them there high hills to power your guitar.. Wo, what's gonna inspire you then.
Most of my guitars work without electricity.
So no problem. I'm all inspired.
galrads: are you suggesting that we do something right like going back on a gold standard? Our corrupt leaders couldn't afford to do the things they want to do then.
there was only two things left needed to create chaos in the u.s. after our congress of 1913 screwed us along with woodrow wilson by creating a central banking system and the creation of a federal income tax here to pay the interest the private bankers charged to print and issue money our money. i wish we could bring back lincoln's government printed green-backs.
But if the Money has no backing,it doesn't matter who prints it,it will be a Rubbercheck regardless!there was only two things left needed to create chaos in the u.s. after our congress of 1913 screwed us along with woodrow wilson by creating a central banking system and the creation of a federal income tax here to pay the interest the private bankers charged to print and issue money our money. i wish we could bring back lincoln's government printed green-backs.
It would be doing this!
galrads: are you suggesting that we do something right like going back on a gold standard?
That would be a good idea except for the fact that we don't have any gold, and we don't have any exports with which to get any gold.
The time to go back to the gold standard was the day after we got off of it.
Conrad73: But if the Money has no backing,it doesn't matter who prints it,it will be a Rubbercheck regardless!
It would be doing this!
It would be doing this!
ok, why doesn't the u.s. abort the federal government and revive the confederate government to only use silver coin money. we could locate its capitol in cuba and let it back it. ...
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