Do you believe in the death penalty? ( Archived) (63)

Feb 29, 2012 2:08 AM CSTDo you believe in the death penalty?
trisher69
trisher69trisher69Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA60 Threads 58 Polls 317 Posts

Do you believe in the death penalty?(Vote Below)

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YES
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NO
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NOT SURE
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145
Curious, why or why not?
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Feb 29, 2012 2:11 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
that's a dicey one!
Sometimes I do,sometimes I don't!confused
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Feb 29, 2012 2:15 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
trisher69
trisher69trisher69Albuquerque, New Mexico USA60 Threads 58 Polls 317 Posts
I don't believe in an eye for an eye. I believe a life sentence without parole is a much more severe punishment and there is no risk of an innocent person dying because of a crime he/she did not commit.angel
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Feb 29, 2012 2:25 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
alonerdo
alonerdoalonerdoHuixquilucan, Mexico State Mexico3 Threads 1 Polls 228 Posts
trisher69: Curious, why or why not?


Not since Socrates was condemned to this! Once the dog died, does not ends rabies, and I'm not being metaphorical.
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Feb 29, 2012 2:28 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
wafwotam
wafwotamwafwotamnsw, Tasmania Australia24 Posts
Yes where theres no doubt.
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Feb 29, 2012 2:36 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Yazz1972
Yazz1972Yazz1972Somewhere, New South Wales Australia27 Posts
hi trish

this is a dicey one to ask

the last man hung in England was innocent, how many in the states have been innocent?

in a lot of cases I do not think the death penalty is a punishment that fits the crime, especially in cases where the perpetrater is say a p*dophile or the victim has been held and abused over a period of time, in cases such as this I think prison is a more fitting punishment.
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Feb 29, 2012 2:49 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
Conrad73: that's a dicey one!
Sometimes I do,sometimes I don't!


Same thumbs up

When you read of some of the horrendous crimes involving serial killers who torture and maim their victims then keep them alive for hours, days or whatever period only to kill them in the end, it's difficult to offer an unemotional opinion sigh
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Feb 29, 2012 2:54 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
bhirdie
bhirdiebhirdieBeograd-Srbija, Shanghai, Shanghai China261 Posts
serene56: Same

When you read of some of the horrendous crimes involving serial killers who torture and maim their victims then keep them alive for hours, days or whatever period only to kill them in the end, it's difficult to offer an unemotional opinion

true. there are creatures who don't deserve to live and be called humans. the only problem is being absolutely 100% positive not to kill the wrong one.
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Feb 29, 2012 2:58 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Taobao
TaobaoTaobao*******, Michigan USA81 Posts
Until we master the art of ressurection,

I think it's a bit arrogant.
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Feb 29, 2012 3:08 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
bhirdie: true. there are creatures who don't deserve to live and be called humans. the only problem is being absolutely 100% positive not to kill the wrong one.


Hi bhirdie wave

Even in cases where there's absolutely no doubt, it's a moral issue for me I guess, taking away a human life.

I just don't know sad flower
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Feb 29, 2012 3:20 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
bhirdie
bhirdiebhirdieBeograd-Srbija, Shanghai, Shanghai China261 Posts
serene56: Hi bhirdie

Even in cases where there's absolutely no doubt, it's a moral issue for me I guess, taking away a human life.

I just don't know

well, yes, there is, of course. just, when ever i hear of some terrible thing someone does to a kid, you know, things so terrible you can't even comprehend how anybody could do to a child and take his life after all the torture, and i think what if it was my kid...
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Feb 29, 2012 3:39 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
halfavag
halfavaghalfavagdublin, Dublin Ireland218 Posts
i agree with death penalty in certain situations.if someones proved guilty of torturing and killing a child i think he or she should get it.but i also think they should be made to suffer first.after what they did i think their death should be long and painful not a quick lethal injection were they dont suffer much .
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Feb 29, 2012 3:45 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
halfavag: i agree with death penalty in certain situations.if someones proved guilty of torturing and killing a child i think he or she should get it.but i also think they should be made to suffer first.after what they did i think their death should be long and painful not a quick lethal injection were they dont suffer much .


But what about others who have died in this way?

They had no choice either sad flower
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Feb 29, 2012 3:53 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
cruiser68
cruiser68cruiser68Red Cliffs, Victoria Australia9 Threads 704 Posts
serene56: But what about others who have died in this way?

They had no choice either

This piece of garbage got 18 years at our expence, will be out in 6, and you can guess who the first blokes going to be that he lays eyes on.devil
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Feb 29, 2012 3:56 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
olivette12000
olivette12000olivette12000Florence, South Carolina USA2 Threads 1 Polls 10 Posts
trisher69: Curious, why or why not?


If someone killed someone that I love,I don't think I'd have a problem with the death penalty at all,but when you hear about it in general I tend to think that they are gonna kill someone's son or daughter it bothers me and have second thoughts.
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Feb 29, 2012 3:57 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
halfavag
halfavaghalfavagdublin, Dublin Ireland218 Posts
serene56: But what about others who have died in this way?

They had no choice either
true. after reading that mans post id say anyone that takes a life should pay with their own.my eldest is 27 next month and i still call her my child.over here a life sentence is nothing. they do a few years and their out to start their life over.our prisons are like 4 star hotels so even when their locked up their not suffering.bouquet
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Feb 29, 2012 3:59 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
cruiser68: This piece of garbage got 18 years at our expence, will be out in 6, and you can guess who the first blokes going to be that he lays eyes on.



Well this is what I mean, I know we can't bear the thought of a young child going through this, but your daughter is your child, regardless of her age.

To me it makes no difference to this issue, if someone has had their life taken away with savagery, their age is irrelevant.
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Feb 29, 2012 4:02 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Kristia49
Kristia49Kristia49toowoomba, Queensland Australia31 Threads 2,039 Posts
trisher69: Curious, why or why not?

They have to be 100% sure they are guilty.
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Feb 29, 2012 4:05 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
halfavag
halfavaghalfavagdublin, Dublin Ireland218 Posts
olivette12000: If someone killed someone that I love,I don't think I'd have a problem with the death penalty at all,but when you hear about it in general I tend to think that they are gonna kill someone's son or daughter it bothers me and have second thoughts.
but its because they already killed someones son or daughter that their going to get it.
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Feb 29, 2012 9:11 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Rubicon76
Rubicon76Rubicon76Doha, Qatar308 Posts
It will never be possible to be 100% sure. DNA evidence can be planted and tampered with and confessions are frequently obtained under duress a la the recent events surrounding the sad story of the West Memphis 3. During the making of the documentary new evidence has emerged that suggests that more than 50% of executions carried out in the US have killed innocent people. Is that any better than a 'private' murder?

There is no justification for execution whether it be by an individual or the state and the function of government is not to exterminate its citizenry. The availabilty of capital punishment to sentencing officials is a measure of a society's evolution and enlightenment. Unfortunately, many societies have not moved on from the dark ages and revel in their punitive, med-evil, social stagnation.

Can there be any sense to the overwhelming bias in some Southern US states towards selecting the death penalty as a sentence? Are people convicted of crimes in these places really more violent, more deserving of death than those in other places? Of course not. It is simply that the administration of justice in these places has an overwhelming blood-lust to sate.

Two wrongs do not make anything right. The execution of a murderer brings no glory or sense of closure or balance to his or her victim. They are already dead. And the victim's family will have two deaths to contend with psychologically, instead of one. As a society we all share in the responsibilty for the fate of criminals as well as their victims.

As a side not: Certain nationals believe that they live in a countries which do not have the death penalty available as a potential sentence but most are wrong. In virtually all countries capital punishment can be imposed if one is found guilty of high treason though exactly how one goes about gettng one's self convicted of this is less clear. I am from one of those countries but I have seen the gallows myself. I think they are maintained as a bizarre type of visual deterent.
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Feb 29, 2012 9:57 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
trisher69
trisher69trisher69Albuquerque, New Mexico USA60 Threads 58 Polls 317 Posts
Yazz1972: hi trish

this is a dicey one to ask

the last man hung in England was innocent, how many in the states have been innocent?

in a lot of cases I do not think the death penalty is a punishment that fits the crime, especially in cases where the perpetrater is say a p*dophile or the victim has been held and abused over a period of time, in cases such as this I think prison is a more fitting punishment.
cheering Hi Yazz, I agree with you.
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Feb 29, 2012 10:57 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Rummy1
Rummy1Rummy1Baku, Azerbaijan38 Threads 3 Polls 565 Posts
Conrad73: that's a dicey one!
Sometimes I do,sometimes I don't!
thumbs up

if the person really deserve it then yes.there's no point to spend public money to keep them untill they die peacefully.but sometimes innocent people could get death penalty by mistake.
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Feb 29, 2012 11:02 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Rummy1
Rummy1Rummy1Baku, Azerbaijan38 Threads 3 Polls 565 Posts
Rummy1: if the person really deserve it then yes.there's no point to spend public money to keep them untill they die peacefully.but sometimes innocent people could get death penalty by mistake.


i mean,of course there should be a death sentence for this kind of people.
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Feb 29, 2012 11:04 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Rummy1: if the person really deserve it then yes.there's no point to spend public money to keep them untill they die peacefully.but sometimes innocent people could get death penalty by mistake.
trouble is,especially in the US,that it costs more to put a Convict to Death,with all the endless Appeals,than it would cost to keep them alive in Prison for the rest of their Life!
Would even cost less if they were kept more frugal,instead with all the Amenities some of us on the Outside can only dream of!
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Feb 29, 2012 11:05 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
Tough question for sure. I can understand why some are for it. However, I also believe there are other ways of dealing with it. For example murderers who commit acts against children should be turned over to the general prison population. They should never be incarcerated in protective custody. Believe me, we wont be supporting them for long if they are released into general prison population. Prison justice is a horrid thing to contemplate and I believe a greater deterent than death. There are far worse things than death.

The problem I have with the death sentence, is the hypocrisy of it. Its against the law to commit murder so, if you do, we will murder you??? I think there are much worse punishments within the prison system itself, let prison justice do its work. peace
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Feb 29, 2012 11:11 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
venusenvy: Tough question for sure. I can understand why some are for it. However, I also believe there are other ways of dealing with it. For example murderers who commit acts against children should be turned over to the general prison population. They should never be incarcerated in protective custody. Believe me, we wont be supporting them for long if they are released into general prison population. Prison justice is a horrid thing to contemplate and I believe a greater deterent than death. There are far worse things than death.

The problem I have with the death sentence, is the hypocrisy of it. Its against the law to commit murder so, if you do, we will murder you??? I think there are much worse punishments within the prison system itself, let prison justice do its work.
can you hear the squawking by the UN Committee on Human Rights ?devil grin
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Feb 29, 2012 11:12 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Rummy1
Rummy1Rummy1Baku, Azerbaijan38 Threads 3 Polls 565 Posts
Conrad73: trouble is,especially in the US,that it costs more to put a Convict to Death,with all the endless Appeals,than it would cost to keep them alive in Prison for the rest of their Life!
Would even cost less if they were kept more frugal,instead with all the Amenities some of us on the Outside can only dream of!


thats really a problem.may be Venus is right about general prisons.cheers
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Feb 29, 2012 11:13 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
drbombay
drbombaydrbombayStaten Island, New York USA42 Threads 5,391 Posts
The death penalty statiscally is not a deterrent to crime but I say yes if preponderance of evidence overwhelming, not circumstantial & way beyond reasonable doubt.
The cost of incarceration of a life sentence is a heavy burden on us taxpayers & strangely we do not have the facilities(USA) or space to keep all these criminals in jail thus they are being released back into society earlier according to crime committed.

I am also against criminals in jail having privileges-you should only have what is humane(food, drink & medical care)-end of story. JMO
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Feb 29, 2012 11:16 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Rummy1
Rummy1Rummy1Baku, Azerbaijan38 Threads 3 Polls 565 Posts
venusenvy: Tough question for sure. I can understand why some are for it. However, I also believe there are other ways of dealing with it. For example murderers who commit acts against children should be turned over to the general prison population. They should never be incarcerated in protective custody. Believe me, we wont be supporting them for long if they are released into general prison population. Prison justice is a horrid thing to contemplate and I believe a greater deterent than death. There are far worse things than death.

The problem I have with the death sentence, is the hypocrisy of it. Its against the law to commit murder so, if you do, we will murder you??? I think there are much worse punishments within the prison system itself, let prison justice do its work.


V,I would call it disposal than murder.wave wine
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Feb 29, 2012 11:16 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
I don't believe that vengeance should play any part in the criminal justice system of a civilised country.
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Feb 29, 2012 11:17 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
Conrad73: can you hear the squawking by the UN Committee on Human Rights ?


Yabut Con once you knowingly commit murder, you have relenquished your humanity. You have no more rights too it. You are less than human (in my books) Obviously the death penalty is a joke that costs society endless dollars. so thats not the answer. Treat animals as the animals they are. Inmates have horrid ways of exacting thier own justice so really it would be justice served. wine
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