It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?. (311)
Conrad73: why not just outlaw Murder?
And there wouldn't be another killing again?
Blame the Criminal,not the Gun!
How come you all blame the Driver of a Car that kills someone,not the Car?
How come you blame the Suicide-Bomber and not the Bomb?
How come when someone is killed with a Gun,you blame the Gun,not the one using it?
You all have some strange notions!
And there wouldn't be another killing again?
Blame the Criminal,not the Gun!
How come you all blame the Driver of a Car that kills someone,not the Car?
How come you blame the Suicide-Bomber and not the Bomb?
How come when someone is killed with a Gun,you blame the Gun,not the one using it?
You all have some strange notions!
Ccincy: Why roll your eyes at me?
Oh really how would it prevent someone from using something else as a weapon?
Oh really how would it prevent someone from using something else as a weapon?
It wouldn't. But its a lot harder to kill someone with something else isn't it. A gun you can kill from distance and quickly. If people had to get close and use something else they may think twice. A lot of gun killings are spur of the moment. If the gun is not available or not there then the murder doesn't happen./ All you have to do is look at the figure in the US compared to countries like England, France and Germany.
The figures below say it all really.
Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population.
United States -2.97
West Bank & Gaza-2.95
Sierra Leone -2.28
Ireland - 0.48
England & Wales - 0.07
Canada -0.51
Northern Ireland - 0.28
France -0.06
Germany - 0.19
galrads: you haven't proven Jack, except "maybe" in you mind.
The figures below say it all really.
Homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population.
There you go. Your gun killings are higher than war torn places like Gaza and Sierra Leone. But that doesn't prove anything right?
United States -2.97
West Bank & Gaza-2.95
Sierra Leone -2.28
Ireland - 0.48
England & Wales - 0.07
Canada -0.51
Northern Ireland - 0.28
France -0.06
Germany - 0.19
Conrad73: OMG,Foghorn Leghorn has arrived!
Now there are two!
Now there are two!
You seem to be incapable of having a debate with someone of opposite views to your own without resorting to personal insults. No doubt this comment will attract more derision, however I feel it necessary to make the point.
Conrad73: why not just outlaw Murder?
And there wouldn't be another killing again?
Blame the Criminal,not the Gun!
How come you all blame the Driver of a Car that kills someone,not the Car?
How come you blame the Suicide-Bomber and not the Bomb?
How come when someone is killed with a Gun,you blame the Gun,not the one using it?
You all have some strange notions!
And there wouldn't be another killing again?
Blame the Criminal,not the Gun!
How come you all blame the Driver of a Car that kills someone,not the Car?
How come you blame the Suicide-Bomber and not the Bomb?
How come when someone is killed with a Gun,you blame the Gun,not the one using it?
You all have some strange notions!
My point is if there are not guns freely available then gun crime and gun deaths are far less. That is a fact! Simple. I dont care if the US or any other country allows citizens to be armed. I simply pointed out a fact.
Conrad73: why not just outlaw Murder?
And there wouldn't be another killing again?
Blame the Criminal,not the Gun!
How come you all blame the Driver of a Car that kills someone,not the Car?
How come you blame the Suicide-Bomber and not the Bomb?
How come when someone is killed with a Gun,you blame the Gun,not the one using it?
You all have some strange notions!
And there wouldn't be another killing again?
Blame the Criminal,not the Gun!
How come you all blame the Driver of a Car that kills someone,not the Car?
How come you blame the Suicide-Bomber and not the Bomb?
How come when someone is killed with a Gun,you blame the Gun,not the one using it?
You all have some strange notions!
I guess blaming the gun makes a lot more sense then pointing blame to the one using the gun to begin with.That's always been the easy way out.
Like anything else it all comes down to responsibility.
Ccincy: I guess blaming the gun makes a lot more sense then pointing blame to the one using the gun to begin with.That's always been the easy way out.
Like anything else it all comes down to responsibility.
Like anything else it all comes down to responsibility.
So if free availability of guns isn't the reason for below figures what is. You're saying the US is just full of murders then?
United States -2.97
West Bank & Gaza-2.95
Sierra Leone -2.28
Ireland - 0.48
England & Wales - 0.07
Canada -0.51
Northern Ireland - 0.28
France -0.06
Germany - 0.19
Where did you get the figures?
I could throw a dull knife at someone and kill them at a distance too.
I could throw a dull knife at someone and kill them at a distance too.
Ccincy: Where did you get the figures?
I could throw a dull knife at someone and kill them at a distance too.
I could throw a dull knife at someone and kill them at a distance too.
You could. But your chances of hitting a major organ and killing someone would be far less.
You could also throw a rock and kill someone. But the chances of that are very low too. Shooting someone is much more risky.
Thr figures are from the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime. UNODC.
sofarsogood74: So if free availability of guns isn't the reason for below figures what is. You're saying the US is just full of murders then?
United States -2.97
West Bank & Gaza-2.95
Sierra Leone -2.28
Ireland - 0.48
England & Wales - 0.07
Canada -0.51
Northern Ireland - 0.28
France -0.06
Germany - 0.19
United States -2.97
West Bank & Gaza-2.95
Sierra Leone -2.28
Ireland - 0.48
England & Wales - 0.07
Canada -0.51
Northern Ireland - 0.28
France -0.06
Germany - 0.19
You make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
You've not even showed where you've gotten your numbers of proof.All you've done is type out numbers with nothing to back them up.My comment still stands.Pleased don't put words in my mouth that I didn't type.
Ccincy: You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. You've not even showed where you've gotten your numbers of proof.All you've done is type out numbers with nothing to back them up.
My comment still stands.Pleased don't put words in my mouth that I didn't type.
My comment still stands.Pleased don't put words in my mouth that I didn't type.
I told you. The United Nations office of Drugs and crime. Do you want all the figures?
I'm sorry the FACTS dont fit into your argument.The Source is: UNODC & Small arms survey. Google it.
sofarsogood74: I told you. The United Nations office of Drugs and crime. Do you want all the figures? I'm sorry the FACTS dont fit into your argument.The Source is: UNODC & Small arms survey. Google it.
Just because you told me doesn't prove anything.I could base my opinions on by just posting figures without absolute proof too.
For clarity I'm not the one arguing.
galrads: I think this guy is trying to say that he wants more people to use more bats and knives and other objects to kill other people with instead of firearms. And sometimes I think he is saying that we will have less murders if guns are removed from citizens, maybe so that criminals can take over. Regardless, anyone who blames the weapon, an inanimate object, for murder has to be avoided at all cost... or else he'll end up hurting someone and then claim he didn't do it, the gun did.
What a joke.
What a joke.
You're the joke. I dont care if you all carry around AK47'S. It doesn't matter to me. When you start denying that less guns in the hand of civilians means less gun deaths is when I have to prove you wrong.
That is a FACT. It is shown in all the stats. You cant get away from it. I'm sorry the FACTS get in the way of your silly argument.
Ccincy: Just because you told me doesn't prove anything.I could base my opinions on by just posting figures without absolute proof too.For clarity I'm not the one arguing.
Here is the link.
All countries are on it. But I suppose this link will be wrong too. The figures are wrong because you DONT WANT them to be right.
you don't have an argument. You are obsessed with guns and ignoring the real facts as to why people, not guns, kill other people. More guns in the hands of citizens has meant less murders by many means. Go waste the FBI's time and or just read their web site if you want to learn the truth. People kill, inanimate objects don't.
sofarsogood74: Here is the link. All countries are on it.
But I suppose this link will be wrong too. The figures are wrong because you DONT WANT them to be right.
But I suppose this link will be wrong too. The figures are wrong because you DONT WANT them to be right.
Me thinks you could have me totally confused with another poster as far as far as your last sentence.
galrads: you don't have an argument. You are obsessed with guns and ignoring the real facts as to why people, not guns, kill other people. More guns in the hands of citizens has meant less murders by many means. Go waste the FBI's time and or just read their web site if you want to learn the truth. People kill, inanimate objects don't.
Haven't you heard of the old saying galrads? That you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.
galrads: you don't have an argument. You are obsessed with guns and ignoring the real facts as to why people, not guns, kill other people. More guns in the hands of citizens has meant less murders by many means. Go waste the FBI's time and or just read their web site if you want to learn the truth. People kill, inanimate objects don't.
If more guns in the hands of citizens meant less murders then the murders in the US would be very low. This isn't the case. Most murders are committed by "normal" people and not so called criminals running around looking to kill. A lot are spur of the moment, in the heat of the moment or drunken murders. If guns were not available they would not happen.
The FACTS of the FIGURES show us that the US has gun deaths 5 to 10 times that of other Western countries. That is a FACT. You can't get away from that even though you're doing your best to.
Ccincy: Me thinks you could have me totally confused with another poster as far as far as your last sentence.
So now you see the FACT of gun homicides in the US being 5 to 10 times that of other Western countries do you think it may be because guns are freely available or you're just a shower of murdering folk.
sofarsogood74: So now you see the FACT of gun homicides in the US being 5 to 10 times that of other Western countries do you think it may be because guns are freely available or you're just a shower of murdering folk.
There you go again.
Ccincy: There you go again.
The last domain of the person who loses the argument.
You did say " Just because you told me doesn't prove anything.I could base my opinions on by just posting figures without absolute proof too"
So I posted the proof. Game over. You were wrong and I was right.
sofarsogood74: The last domain of the person who loses the argument.
You did say " Just because you told me doesn't prove anything.I could base my opinions on by just posting figures without absolute proof too"So I posted the proof. Game over. You were wrong and I was right.
You did say " Just because you told me doesn't prove anything.I could base my opinions on by just posting figures without absolute proof too"So I posted the proof. Game over. You were wrong and I was right.
Oh please.
You should do your homework before bloviating in the CS forums.
for instance, try googling: "murder rate by country" and you'll find there is a lot of murdered people not killed by the inanimate thoughtless object "gun" and the USA doesn't have the lead, either.
for instance, try googling: "murder rate by country" and you'll find there is a lot of murdered people not killed by the inanimate thoughtless object "gun" and the USA doesn't have the lead, either.
Waterbearer63: This debate has gone on for years and probably will never be satisfied to everybody`s expectations. What do you believe?. Should all guns be banned or do you believe that your rights supercede the rights of innocents to live.
b/s,its a right,govts.can be tyrants.galrads: You should do your homework before bloviating in the CS forums.
for instance, try googling: "murder rate by country" and you'll find there is a lot of murdered people not killed by the inanimate thoughtless object "gun" and the USA doesn't have the lead, either.
for instance, try googling: "murder rate by country" and you'll find there is a lot of murdered people not killed by the inanimate thoughtless object "gun" and the USA doesn't have the lead, either.
But I was not talking about murder rates. My point from the start has always been that if citizens are not allowed own guns then less people die from guns. That was my point. That is the fact I have proved. You tried to argue with it but you have given nothing. The facts tell us guns freely available means more people die from being shot! If you can disprove that then come back to me. Otherwise just go away.
But of the countries I mentioned earlier.
Murder rate per 100,000 of Population.
United States - 4.8
France - 1.1
Germany-0.8
Ireland -1.2
Canada -1.6
UK -1.2
Tells the same story really.
RayfromUSA: It's not just a law. It's an article of the Bill of Rights, the most important part of the US constitution. Without which the people would not have accepted the constitution at all.
It's not about hunting.
It's about having the means to fight back against tyranny.
And tyranny loves the idea of disarming the people.
i agree with u 100%It's not about hunting.
It's about having the means to fight back against tyranny.
And tyranny loves the idea of disarming the people.
RayfromUSA: It's not just a law. It's an article of the Bill of Rights, the most important part of the US constitution. Without which the people would not have accepted the constitution at all.
It's not about hunting.
It's about having the means to fight back against tyranny.
And tyranny loves the idea of disarming the people.
It's not about hunting.
It's about having the means to fight back against tyranny.
And tyranny loves the idea of disarming the people.
RayfromUSA: It's not just a law. It's an article of the Bill of Rights, the most important part of the US constitution. Without which the people would not have accepted the constitution at all.
It's not about hunting.
It's about having the means to fight back against tyranny.
And tyranny loves the idea of disarming the people.
i agree with u 100%It's not about hunting.
It's about having the means to fight back against tyranny.
And tyranny loves the idea of disarming the people.
sofarsogood74: But I was not talking about murder rates. My point from the start has always been that if citizens are not allowed own guns then less people die from guns. That was my point. That is the fact I have proved. You tried to argue with it but you have given nothing. The facts tell us guns freely available means more people die from being shot! If you can disprove that then come back to me. Otherwise just go away.
But of the countries I mentioned earlier.
Murder rate per 100,000 of Population.
United States - 4.8
France - 1.1
Germany-0.8
Ireland -1.2
Canada -1.6
UK -1.2
Tells the same story really.
But of the countries I mentioned earlier.
Murder rate per 100,000 of Population.
United States - 4.8
France - 1.1
Germany-0.8
Ireland -1.2
Canada -1.6
UK -1.2
Tells the same story really.
first of all, guns don't kill, people kill. Your argument simply is not true because the criminal element in society will have and use guns or whatever weapon they choose..... and taking away citizens "rights" only leaves them in a position to be kill easier by someone using guns or other inanimate object.
I hope you can one day be freed from your obsession with guns and can see the truth as what is happening in the world.
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Why roll your eyes at me?
Oh really how would it prevent someone from using something else as a weapon?