It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?. (311)

Jul 10, 2013 3:32 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Ken_19
Ken_19Ken_19Winchester, Virginia USA68 Threads 26 Polls 1,055 Posts
PLUMBER02: You have to be joking....are they all jessie james?
In uk we dont need a weapon to prove who is the boss
I must admit as do most of you uk people we are following the yanks.....but wouldnt it be better not to do this as they are the most HATED nation in the world


We are just stepping into the void they created by doing so horribly in WWI.
Jul 10, 2013 3:38 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
PLUMBER02
PLUMBER02PLUMBER02MALAGA, Andalusia Spain1 Threads 32 Posts
Well done mate....loved your comments Many yrs ago i was BRITISH FORCES which was a bit of a bore .....been out 20yrs now

Iv'e always been fair and mst of my mates in Belfast felt the same
Hope its all over now coz i live in te sun aint got time 4 being theregood luck and god go with you
Jul 10, 2013 3:39 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
PLUMBER02
PLUMBER02PLUMBER02MALAGA, Andalusia Spain1 Threads 32 Posts
Well done mate....loved your comments Many yrs ago i was BRITISH FORCES which was a bit of a bore .....been out 20yrs now

Iv'e always been fair and mst of my mates in Belfast felt the same
Hope its all over now coz i live in te sun aint got time 4 being theregood luck and god go with you
Jul 10, 2013 3:40 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
MADDOG69: The passion crimes though ... I don't know how high they are, but they do exist.

Over a hundred years ago, My Great Granduncle blew my Great Grandfather away with a revolver after the latter insulted his lady friend. If he didn't have that revolver on him, they might have just rolled around the yard for a while. There's no mental history checks that can ever screen for that type of behaviour.
or would have taken an Axe to the Chap's Skull!laugh
Jul 10, 2013 3:41 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
no im suggesting what Maddison would update and live in the real world he was a visionary and may i say a hero of mine. And to say that i i am behaving like a monarch is an insult to him go back read the papers again you might change your mind. James maddison stated in the papers that the constitution needed to be updated regularly . Tom Payne ( who was born 30 miles from where i sit) stated in Rights of man which the declaration of independence was based (which i agree with) that any constitution should be organic and evolve to "encounter change where needed"
Jul 10, 2013 3:41 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
no im suggesting what Maddison would update and live in the real world he was a visionary and may i say a hero of mine. And to say that i i am behaving like a monarch is an insult to him go back read the papers again you might change your mind. James maddison stated in the papers that the constitution needed to be updated regularly . Tom Payne ( who was born 30 miles from where i sit) stated in Rights of man which the declaration of independence was based (which i agree with) that any constitution should be organic and evolve to "encounter change where needed"
Jul 10, 2013 3:41 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
no im suggesting what Maddison would update and live in the real world he was a visionary and may i say a hero of mine. And to say that i i am behaving like a monarch is an insult to him go back read the papers again you might change your mind. James maddison stated in the papers that the constitution needed to be updated regularly . Tom Payne ( who was born 30 miles from where i sit) stated in Rights of man which the declaration of independence was based (which i agree with) that any constitution should be organic and evolve to "encounter change where needed"
Jul 10, 2013 3:42 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
no im suggesting what Maddison would update and live in the real world he was a visionary and may i say a hero of mine. And to say that i i am behaving like a monarch is an insult to him go back read the papers again you might change your mind. James maddison stated in the papers that the constitution needed to be updated regularly . Tom Payne ( who was born 30 miles from where i sit) stated in Rights of man which the declaration of independence was based (which i agree with) that any constitution should be organic and evolve to "encounter change where needed"
Jul 10, 2013 3:42 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
no im suggesting what Maddison would update and live in the real world he was a visionary and may i say a hero of mine. And to say that i i am behaving like a monarch is an insult to him go back read the papers again you might change your mind. James maddison stated in the papers that the constitution needed to be updated regularly . Tom Payne ( who was born 30 miles from where i sit) stated in Rights of man which the declaration of independence was based (which i agree with) that any constitution should be organic and evolve to "encounter change where needed"
Jul 10, 2013 3:43 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
galrads: Very good, except Maddison was the Father of the Bill of Rights that most other founding fathers felt unnecessary to even deal with when introduced, until after their vacations and the omission of a bill of rights became the main argument of the anti-federalists against the constitution.

Government does not grant these rights, they recognize them. You are suggesting only what a monarch would, and deny these rights. tsk tsk

Freedom for Everyone!
you could go with this Idjot!

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Jul 10, 2013 3:51 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Tomcats2: no im suggesting what Maddison would update and live in the real world he was a visionary and may i say a hero of mine. And to say that i i am behaving like a monarch is an insult to him go back read the papers again you might change your mind. James maddison stated in the papers that the constitution needed to be updated regularly . Tom Payne ( who was born 30 miles from where i sit) stated in Rights of man which the declaration of independence was based (which i agree with) that any constitution should be organic and evolve to "encounter change where needed"


Sad you took anything as an insult. Regardless of what Maddison said then, only the Left Loons here today and those who love tyranny want to change our constitution, which does not need changing (in my opinion).

Besides, not unlike most of us, Madison changed his mind on a lot of things throughout his life and career, mostly to suit his own interests.

All we need to change here now today is the great change-giver obama. Take him, please. He loves to bow and bend for royalty.
Jul 10, 2013 3:57 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Ken_19
Ken_19Ken_19Winchester, Virginia USA68 Threads 26 Polls 1,055 Posts
MADDOG69: snip

For my own personal opinion, I'd probably own a gun aswell if I could. Not sure I'd like everyone else to have one though. Murders would increase... crimes of passion would definitely increase. I certainly don't feel the need to own a gun. I do have a Kukhuri belonging to my uncle in my bedroom under the bed just incase there's a home invasion. And I have a small dog for advanced warning .


Your concept is good for dealing with not more than 2 of similar or lesser armament. The problem with small dogs is the very noise they utter is an advertisement of their small size. They are what the steel pipe or the baseball bat is for. What you have retrieved in those few seconds the dog's last seconds bought you is what will determine the outcome against the 3 or 4 now entering.

Frankly I prefer dogs that wound the person who killed them. This serves multiple functions. It leaves attacker's DNA behind. Sometimes the screams also bring attention and assistance. Also you are now dealing with at least one injured attacker and your odds have increased in your favor. I like my dogs big, smart and agile. For me this means Dobermans and German/Belgian Shepherds. The Rottweilers have the size and the heart, but to me they lack the agility. With multiple attackers the dog has to be able to duck and dodge too. One mix I have seen, which I would avoid as an intruder is a small noisy chihuahua backed up by a pair of Dobermans. They sleep until he barks.

I have (and I trained my wife to) always understood that when the dog alerts, he is doing his job. Your role is not to go see what the dogs are barking at or fighting with. They are giving you seconds you should not waste. Your job is to go retrieve somethings first. The cell phone with the 911 button is one of them. I personally like the sound of a shotgun or semi-auto bolt cycling. It lets everyone know the real threat has just joined the party. When I have used dogs in this fashion they are trained to stop when I call, if they can safely do so. I have no problem with the dog(s) finishing the task he/they is/are currently engaged in. The intruder should have thought of that before he scared or hurt the dogs. If I have said don't move, the message was very good advice. Those not already down will very soon be down if they move. The dogs will finish whatever their doing then stop. I know this. If the other intruders wish to join the person laying bloody on the floor I will have no problem with this. If they wish to remain frozen like statues, that is a wise decision.

Yes, over the decades I (and my father before me) have acquired (mostly for decorative purposes) swords and knives. I don't have a Gurkha Kukhri. Cold Steels Magnum Kukhri machete is more practical out here. I have Busse and Kabars, but those are not what I would choose to grab if my dog or dogs suddenly went berserk at 3 in the morning. Such is freedom of choice.
Jul 10, 2013 3:58 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Conrad73: you could go with this Idjot!


excuse me! you mean bigoted idiot
Jul 10, 2013 4:00 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
galrads: excuse me! you mean bigoted idiot
OK,my bad!laugh
Jul 10, 2013 4:01 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Ken_19
Ken_19Ken_19Winchester, Virginia USA68 Threads 26 Polls 1,055 Posts
Tomcats2: James Maddison also stated in one of the fedralist papers that the constitutuition should be updated every 25 years to modernise itself and reflects times of the day so the right to bear arms should be reviewed at least imo


You are right. Our Supreme Court agreed with you and recently did exactly that. I am pleased to report that after a slow careful review they reaffirmed the right of the individual to keep and bear firearms.
Jul 10, 2013 4:02 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
galrads: Sad you took anything as an insult. Regardless of what Maddison said then, only the Left Loons here today and those who love tyranny want to change our constitution, which does not need changing (in my opinion).

Besides, not unlike most of us, Madison changed his mind on a lot of things throughout his life and career, mostly to suit his own interests.

All we need to change here now today is the great change-giver obama. Take him, please. He loves to bow and bend for royalty.
i hate royalty why!!! not all brits love royalty some of us have minds of our own !!!!!!!!!!
Jul 10, 2013 4:13 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
PLUMBER02
PLUMBER02PLUMBER02MALAGA, Andalusia Spain1 Threads 32 Posts
I agree...ts typical of us
Iam english not far from aussie rules
last went to aus in 1971 on the carrier HMS EAGLE
loved it one of the best countries have ever ben t i=I WAS ON EAGLE IN 1971B AFTER COMIMG BACK FROM HK AND VIETNAM
Did a little sneaky in Vietnam.....but we as brits were not suooosed to be there
anyway,this is to all you aussies, I saw the bridge blown ofHmas hobart
curtsey of the yanks

not to worry col n e wright was brought to justce 27 mar1975
Jul 10, 2013 4:15 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Conrad73: or would have taken an Axe to the Chap's Skull!

NO, I don't believe so. He didn't have an Axe holstered. To get an axe would have meant premeditate murder and required the will to do that. He offered himself up immediately afterwards to law enforcement and pleaded guilty to Manslaughter. He got ten years penal servitude which was a very light sentence. Mitigating circumstances were considered. In conservative 'Holy Catholic Ireland' a century ago, to insult another man's woman in respect of her virtue at that time was considered a very big mitigating factor.
Jul 10, 2013 4:19 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
MADDOG69: NO, I don't believe so. He didn't have an Axe holstered. To get an axe would have meant premeditate murder and required the will to do that. He offered himself up immediately afterwards to law enforcement and pleaded guilty to Manslaughter. He got ten years penal servitude which was a very light sentence. Mitigating circumstances were considered. In conservative 'Holy Catholic Ireland' a century ago, to insult another man's woman in respect of her virtue at that time was considered a very big mitigating factor.
ten years with mitigating factors!grin
Jul 10, 2013 4:24 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Conrad73: ten years with mitigating factors!

At a time when people were hung for similar? Yep. It was a lenient sentence, I believe some of that sentence was hard labour.
Jul 10, 2013 4:25 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Glatlol
GlatlolGlatlolDublin, Ireland2 Threads 5,358 Posts
Conrad73: well,you're not required to go out and purchase one!
Can always let the Army and Police do the ....work!



Isnt that their job? Not all our police force are armed either, thankfully.
Jul 10, 2013 4:40 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Tomcats2: i hate royalty why!!! not all brits love royalty some of us have minds of our own !!!!!!!!!!


thumbs up

Curious, is the royal family in England still in charge of the Church of England and does the Church of England include Muslims?
Jul 10, 2013 4:43 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Glatlol: Isnt that their job? Not all our police force are armed either, thankfully.
yep,report-taking is their Job!laugh
Jul 10, 2013 4:45 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
So they say, as in New Zealand, unarmed police force, yet many have guns, not visible though, tucked neatly in the boot?(Trunk)(Car)etc
A gun shot is probable with a 65% death warrant on your head body what ever.

A tourist was killed whilst cleaning her teeth here up in the bush the deer stalker took her for a deer?
Sad! and bad!

Being a large country USA, votes swing either way.
Cutting down certain guns does not eliminate a person from being killed with a smaller gun.

The gun is here and will always be.

Needless deaths, are a stupidity of the allowance to enable THAT person access.

Rights to own a gun?
The Law is The Law.
Jul 10, 2013 4:48 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Glatlol
GlatlolGlatlolDublin, Ireland2 Threads 5,358 Posts
Conrad73: yep,report-taking is their Job!



I am sure police forces all over the world have to complete reports. Are you trying to make a point? You seem to think that Countries where people dont go around demanding to own weapons that kill are somehow inferior? I would strongly suggest that it is in fact the other way around.
Jul 10, 2013 5:16 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Jul 10, 2013 5:17 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Glatlol: I am sure police forces all over the world have to complete reports. Are you trying to make a point? You seem to think that Countries where people dont go around demanding to own weapons that kill are somehow inferior? I would strongly suggest that it is in fact the other way around.
yep,they always arrive after the Fact!
It's the nature of any reactionary Force!
Jul 10, 2013 6:46 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
Justus1
Justus1Justus1Kitchener, Ontario Canada5 Threads 187 Posts
So I guess there is still hope for the USA lets arm the children in the schools too for self defence uh oh

And this must be the new Swiss army gun rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Jul 10, 2013 6:52 PM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Justus1: So I guess there is still hope for the USA lets arm the children in the schools too for self defence

And this must be the new Swiss army gun


They forgot the parasailing umbrella for the Swiss army gun.
Jul 11, 2013 3:26 AM CST It`s every Americans right to bear arms. Do you think this law should be repealed or not?.
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
galrads: excuse me! you mean bigoted idiot



You talking about yourself.laugh

Anytime an Irish person poses a question to you that you can't answer you start to talk about pubs, Irish Yoga and terrorists. Shows you for the idiot you are.laugh

But you actually make the stereotype of a fat, lazy, uneducated, insular, opinionated American look true.laugh

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