Will Egypt survive the fighting? (48)

Aug 15, 2013 7:21 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Morsi was democratically elected; he should be reinstated--end of story.

Come on,, puh-lease and be serious and keep Morsi's Chicago-style politics in Chicago. laugh
Aug 15, 2013 7:22 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
galrads: OK ... thanks for taking the time to explain that. Seems anymore in the Forums on CS, whenever I ask a direct question or request a clarification someone takes it the wrong way and jumps in my case. Anyways. Hopefully, Morsi is now Egyptian History.

I was told about the food bribes by a sister of someone who spent a few years studying in Alexandria. And was told a few other things aswell. Basically the middle class is close to non existent. There's poor, very poor and a few rich. That's it really.
Aug 15, 2013 7:22 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
janie1305: And it somehow makes people "experts" in fields they simply have no first hand knowledge of!


i was apparent to me on day-one that CS forums is inhabited with a lot of self-righteous self-anointed experts on everything. rolling on the floor laughing just like in the real world.
Aug 15, 2013 7:30 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
MADDOG69: I was told about the food bribes by a sister of someone who spent a few years studying in Alexandria. And was told a few other things aswell. Basically the middle class is close to non existent. There's poor, very poor and a few rich. That's it really.


I believe this is how the youth here see as the direction the U.S.A. is taking in the very near future. Fewer good paying jobs are on the market or if they are, they are not full-time and receiving benefits such as paid health care premiums.
Aug 15, 2013 7:44 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
Ken_19
Ken_19Ken_19Winchester, Virginia USA68 Threads 26 Polls 1,055 Posts
Well it has certainly moved into the non-peaceful protest arena. No doubt both sides will disagree for centuries on who shot first and in which town that was. Regardless I am wondering how many of the dead Coptic Christians killed in the attacks on the churches are among those dead bodies hauled into the mosques and exhibited as if they were dead protestors. I am also noting with some interest the death of several senior police commanders at the General level. I am wondering if that was instances of fragging or friendly fire. Kind of unusual for Generals to get down in the front line trenches. But also recalling the Egyptian Police used to draft their riot police forces from the populace and college students much as South Korea used to do. So this to me raises the fragging questionm and specultation as to with a few more days of this, will we see a split in Egypt's armed forces like we did in Iran 30 years ago or Syria more recently?
Aug 16, 2013 10:02 AM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
I think we have to go back to when President Obama refused Mubrak's request for 'one week more of time to halt the protests'. Would Mubrak's methods to halt the protest be much different than today's methods?

Likely not. But now instead of a week of violence in Egypt, you are looking at years of civil unrest and violence in the country. Liberal around the world saluted President Obama vision's for staying out of a middle eastern crisis. They saluted the Muslim Brotherhood as it came to power in Egypt.

Only they forgot, the leader of alQeada, Dr. ElZharwiri is a former Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood member. So when President Morsi began to crack down on the Coptic Christians, moderate Muslims and Egyptian Sunni with Islamic fundamental laws. They were aghast. el Zharwiri was part of the Sadat assignation of the Muslimbrother hood. All for Sadat's desire to have peace with Israel. Oh the radicalism of having peace with Israel! At least to the Muslim Brotherhoods way of thinking!
And Iran's thinking! And alQueada thinking!

Oh but how could that happen! Morsi won the election...he should play by the rules of democracy. You don't oppress the opposition in the democracy game. Shall I mention Iran and its oppression of the opposition, in its democracy? The leaders in Washington and elsewhere should have seen the oppression coming in Morsi's Egypt.

But they were slightly my-optic there.

So with a influx of heavily armed fighters from Libya....if it has not happened...it will. Egypt is about to be carved up like Thanksgiving Turkey. The Eyptian Army will try to 'protect' the moderate areas of the country. The radical Islamists already have a strong base of operation in the Siani and Port Said. While today's fight is in the Cairo's camps of the Islamist opposition...soon it will be up and down the Nile and around the Suez canal.

Now if the Suez canal closes for any length of time...who benefits?
The price of crude and fuel products will sky rocket with a Canal closure. So on my list of parties to benefit are.....Russia, a main exporter to Europe. Iran...still angered over the crude sanctions being placed on it for the nuclear programs. They are also high on my list for organizing and supporting the decayed situation in Egypt today.

So here is a beer toast to President Obama for his refusing Mubrak to halt this during the Arab Spring rebellion several years ago....
Aug 16, 2013 11:02 AM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
It is the beginning of Armageddon. cool
Aug 16, 2013 12:06 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
Aug 16, 2013 12:42 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts


yeah, so "Why is the government covering for Obama?"
Aug 16, 2013 12:42 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts


yeah, so "Why is the government covering for Obama?"
Aug 16, 2013 3:54 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
suds00
suds00suds00crown point, Indiana USA13 Threads 160 Posts
it is sad to see.
Aug 16, 2013 3:56 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
Pom_Pom
Pom_PomPom_PomBuenos Aires, Argentina71 Threads 32 Polls 1,740 Posts
No, they're all going to die.
Aug 16, 2013 4:47 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
NotMissTaken
NotMissTakenNotMissTakenunknown, Ar Riyad Saudi Arabia267 Posts
Somehow people are still hopeful about the situation, but I don't think there really is much to hope for about it. People on both sides stand firm on what and who they support and are deaf and blind of the effects of what it has brought them. People believe what is convenient for them to believe in. It's already too late for them to reverse this problem. Solution is not plausible, and people are dying.

The ME is getting smaller each year.. Does this imply anything?
Aug 16, 2013 4:52 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts


read this it may give you the answers to all questions as to when there will be peace in the middle east.
Aug 16, 2013 5:17 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
NotMissTaken
NotMissTakenNotMissTakenunknown, Ar Riyad Saudi Arabia267 Posts
stringman:

read this it may give you the answers to all questions as to when there will be peace in the middle east.


thumbs up
Aug 16, 2013 9:06 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
steffffie
steffffiesteffffieChicago, Illinois USA8 Threads 598 Posts
On August 6, the respectable Egyptian Center for Media Studies and Public Opinion published a poll showing that 69 percent of the Egyptian public rejects the military coup, while 25 percent supports it, with 6 percent refusing to give their opinion. Of those who reject it, only 19 percent identify themselves with the MB, 39 percent with other Islamist parties, while 35 percent are unaffiliated but feel that their votes were invalidated by the coup. Of those who support it, 55 percent in the poll consider themselves former Mubarak regime loyalists, while 17 percent identify themselves as Coptic Christians opposed to Islamists’ rule.

From:
with links for sources.

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for a broader perspective.
Aug 16, 2013 9:35 PM CST Will Egypt survive the fighting?
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
Ken_19: Will Egypt survive the fighting?



Of course, Egypt will survive. How its economy will be saved that is another question.




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