Should adults have the right to carry a concealed weapon? (132)

You bin looking at me in the toilets!!!!!!

.....matter of fact...I did glance......thought......poor little sod.....

Yeh, but I can make it vibrate and dance to rock music

Some adults already do.

....yer you,d make a good conduter..(music)

......says.he..........the ogan player....

The Founding Fathers gave the American people the right to keep and bear arms, which includes carrying a concealed weapon, to protect from an intruder and EVEN (my emphasis) from their own government. This 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution was granted because the Founding Fathers knew what would happen. And the government is trying to make it happen now.

History has shown us that a people of a nation are murdered if they do not have the right to defend themselves. Don't think that it wouldn't happen in the United States, because it will if people ever give up this right!

If you would like to know more, please do contact me. When I learned this several years ago, I did a 180 on this issue.

Gee You're not paranoid are You? Feeding the old,"lookout the governments going to get you" line.

This implies to me you're comparing combat use of weapons with civilian use of firearms.

I'm not sure what maths I should be doing here.

How many of the combat deaths were a result of firearms? Or, if you're going to compare all deaths in combat caused by US weapons, why specifically compare that with civilian firearms and not all civilian weapons?

What is the ratio of "weapon, or firearm carrrying US civilians" to the "weapon, or firearm carrying US 'enemy'"? Or perhaps the number of people who have died at the hands of US combatants and the ratio of US weapon carriers to US combatants?

I'm really not sure what you were trying to say here because you don't seem to be cpmparing like with like in any shape, or form.


Would that imply that the 95 US combat deaths were in good taste? I wonder what those 95 families would think.

How about the number of people killed by US combatants and what their families think about how tasteful that is?

I find it absolutely abhorrent that people actually think like that.

Glat, may I pick your brain?

How much of that abhorrence you express is to do with environmental influences that are common amongst the people around you and how much is to do with your own personal belief system?

I share your abhorrence and would happily see every weapon designed solely to cause death, or injury dismantled, but maybe my ethical stance is easy to uphold living in this sleepy wee village.

I wonder how much my opinion would be subject to the practicalities of survival if I lived in an area of conflict and extreme danger.

I have been living in a local authority estate for 20 years, I know about conflict and danger :).


Environmental factors both present day and during childhood I think do have am effect on us all, some tend to go with the way we were reared others tend to go entirely in the opposite direction.

Personally the majority of my belief system is inherent in me, lots of things to me are really simple and I do find it very difficult to see how others can see things differently at times. This is one of those times, it is sooooo wrong to even want to be near a weapon that is made to kill and maim that I cant comprehend thinking otherwise.

I lived on a local authority estate for the best part of 20 years. It boardered on idyllic.

What kind of conflict and danger have you had to live with?

Again, I share your sentiments about objects designed to kill and maim. By the same token, I have my granddaughter gently snoring next to me and I doubt I'd think twice about walloping someone with a cast iron frying pan if she were under threat.

How much threat would you have to be under to use violence in self-defence? I realise this is a difficult question to answer in theoretical form, but I'm just trying to follow some thoughts through and I'm not sure where I'm going with them yet (as ever )

I have had a guy come to my front door brandishing a gun, the result of my getting a job that a neighbour had wanted herself. It was to be a warning to me, feking terrifying at the time, I did exactly what I was told not to do and went to the police.

Have had my car stolen and burnt out, because my son ran off a neighbour who was peeing in my garden on his way down from the pub.

First Tuesday of every month, childrens allowance day (or mickey money day as we say here) its a case of batton down the hatches before the pub closes.

I could go on and on to be honest.

As for using violence for self defence, I used pot in my ex husband to stop him beating me one night, I also kicked, pushed, scratched and did what I had to to remove him from me, and of course I would do it again, but a gun? no way, never, not a chance.

I'm not sure I understand "I used pot in my ex husband" (whether you plied him with hash brownies, or clocked him one with a saucepan), but it sounds a bit harsh where you live.

How about if that environment escalated to something like the holocaust? I've no way of ever knowing, but its possible (from what little information I do have) that the reason my grandfather disappeared towards the end of WWII was because he resisted in some way. I know he resisted, but I don't know quite how. Although I realise he was a brave man, I'm a little uncomfortable by the thought my grandfather might have killed people.

What circumstances would it take for any of us to go against one aspect of our belief system in defence of another aspect of our belief system? Thou shallt no kill versus I'm not going to stand back and watch genocide?

I'm not sure the right to carry a concealed weapon is just about the actual physical danger within the environment, though. I think its also about the environment of perceived danger, the environment of fear and consequent anger.

As is stated in our 2nd amendment Constitutional Rights which all fall under "certain unalienable rights" people are entitled to carry a gun if they wish...it is not an option.
Even some who have old criminal records should be allowed to own and carry a gun.
Depending on the crime.
Some people make stupid choices as a teen, such as joyriding in cars out of bored stupidity, and end up in prison, but during the time decide to follow laws and have no desire to ever bring themselves back to a society wasteland.

In my opinion, it is completely illogical in every aspect, to even suggest we give up our right to own guns....do you really think the military can protect everyone???????????????