justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia2,592 posts
jac379: Okay, I don't know that I've got this right, but let's do some rough maths.
The number of US citizens killed so far in 2013 with firearms is 7133. Divide that by the total population of the US of 316, 600, 575 at the time of typing this and you get a figure (rounded up) of 0.0023% of the population.
The number of US troops killed in Afghanistan (assuming that's where your figure came from) is 95. There are just under 100,000 troops from all 50 NATO nations currently in Afghanistan which works out at 0.095% of the total troop population. Taking out the other 49 nations, obviously that percentage will be higher.
So, a greater percentage of US troops were killed in Afganistan than US citizens in the US, but somehow this shows, despite the insurgents using dirty tactics, the insurgents are more responsible and less crazed concealed weapon users than the US citizens according to you?
Its safer for a US passport holder to be in a combat zone than it is to be in their own homes because 7133 is a much bigger number than 95, according to you?
I'm not sure that's a very good argument for suggesting Americans don't think straight.
Jac i probably could have put it better and have used better examples, I know You love to analyse things to death and dissect all arguments ad nauseum, However what i was trying to say was that 7,133 people killed by guns since the start of 2013 is pretty horrific in anyones language, There's a need for less guns in the world not more. You seem to be more concerned with my flawed statistical evidence than the number of dead? So i may have got it wrong, but at least i value human life more than how well i present an argument, at the end of the day i can live with that, can You?
Glitch101London, Greater London, England UK1,079 posts
justjim63: Jac i probably could have put it better and have used better examples, I know You love to analyse things to death and dissect all arguments ad nauseum, However what i was trying to say was that 7,133 people killed by guns since the start of 2013 is pretty horrific in anyones language, There's a need for less guns in the world not more. You seem to be more concerned with my flawed statistical evidence than the number of dead? So i may have got it wrong, but at least i value human life more than how well i present an argument, at the end of the day i can live with that, can You?
Spot on.
For someone who bangs on about guns seems this thread has turned into a comic strip.
justjim63: Jac i probably could have put it better and have used better examples, I know You love to analyse things to death and dissect all arguments ad nauseum, However what i was trying to say was that 7,133 people killed by guns since the start of 2013 is pretty horrific in anyones language, There's a need for less guns in the world not more. You seem to be more concerned with my flawed statistical evidence than the number of dead? So i may have got it wrong, but at least i value human life more than how well i present an argument, at the end of the day i can live with that, can You?
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
justjim63: Jac i probably could have put it better and have used better examples, I know You love to analyse things to death and dissect all arguments ad nauseum, However what i was trying to say was that 7,133 people killed by guns since the start of 2013 is pretty horrific in anyones language, There's a need for less guns in the world not more. You seem to be more concerned with my flawed statistical evidence than the number of dead? So i may have got it wrong, but at least i value human life more than how well i present an argument, at the end of the day i can live with that, can You?
So, 95 dead US troops is not horrific?
The number of dead troops of the other 49 NATO nations is not horrific?
The number of dead people, including civilians in the Afghanistan war zone is not horiffic?
A number of deaths is horrific in anyone's language except if you use naughty words?
A number of deaths is anyone's language is horrific unless its spoken by the sanctioning state on 'our side'?
A number of deaths in anyone's language is horrific unless its spoken in Pashto, or Dari?
The whole point of my analysing to death and dissecting all arguments ad nauseum (my, my, there's passive aggressive of you, Jim) is that its not just your maths which is flawed - the ethical aspects of your argument are, too.
I suggest you don't try and pull the "I value human life more than you do" argument on me.
justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia2,592 posts
jac379: So, 95 dead US troops is not horrific?
The number of dead troops of the other 49 NATO nations is not horrific?
The number of dead people, including civilians in the Afghanistan war zone is not horiffic?
A number of deaths is horrific in anyone's language except if you use naughty words?
A number of deaths is anyone's language is horrific unless its spoken by the sanctioning state on 'our side'?
A number of deaths in anyone's language is horrific unless its spoken in Pashto, or Dari?
The whole point of my analysing to death and dissecting all arguments ad nauseum (my, my, there's passive aggressive of you, Jim) is that its not just your maths which is flawed - the ethical aspects of your argument are, too.
I suggest you don't try and pull the "I value human life more than you do" argument on me.
justjim63port macquarie, New South Wales Australia2,592 posts
jac379: So, 95 dead US troops is not horrific?
The number of dead troops of the other 49 NATO nations is not horrific?
The number of dead people, including civilians in the Afghanistan war zone is not horiffic?
A number of deaths is horrific in anyone's language except if you use naughty words?
A number of deaths is anyone's language is horrific unless its spoken by the sanctioning state on 'our side'?
A number of deaths in anyone's language is horrific unless its spoken in Pashto, or Dari?
The whole point of my analysing to death and dissecting all arguments ad nauseum (my, my, there's passive aggressive of you, Jim) is that its not just your maths which is flawed - the ethical aspects of your argument are, too.
I suggest you don't try and pull the "I value human life more than you do" argument on me.
Feel better now jac? You're still the high priestess of C/S don't fret!
when i lived in tulsa,ok.more ppl got killed,by stray bullets,or ppl goin nuts,at a grocery store,ppl would stand there,n let the guy shoot them,he hated white ppl/no hate crime,for him.no lic.to carry/hm.
reb56: when i lived in tulsa,ok.more ppl got killed,by stray bullets,or ppl goin nuts,at a grocery store,ppl would stand there,n let the guy shoot them,he hated white ppl/no hate crime,for him.no lic.to carry/hm.
Your comment here reminded me of the time when I was heading southbound on a highway and I noticed several squad cars had blocked off the total southbound lanes.Come to find out some fruit loop was shooting at vehicles.I had to take a totally different way home.
Ccincy: Your comment here reminded me of the time when I was heading southbound on a highway and I noticed several squad cars had blocked off the total southbound lanes.Come to find out some fruit loop was shooting at vehicles.I had to take a totally different way home.
cops,stopped me,told me to leave,i put off goin,needed salt,etc.they/not cops,got him on reload,i guess he thought,it was open season,on whites?
i say bloody yes especially if a person goes to a big city because chances are a person might get rob,assulted or killed. it takes more time for a cop to get to the scene. for those who are against carrying a firearm i say "nuts " to u. also a person can protect themselves against people. for example that former marine in washington state was killed by two african americans and that guy in georgia got beat up by 4 people. if they were carrying a conceled weapon they would be alive today.
john12196341: i say bloody yes especially if a person goes to a big city because chances are a person might get rob,assulted or killed. it takes more time for a cop to get to the scene. for those who are against carrying a firearm i say "nuts " to u. also a person can protect themselves against people. for example that former marine in washington state was killed by two african americans and that guy in georgia got beat up by 4 people. if they were carrying a conceled weapon they would be alive today.
john12196341: i say bloody yes especially if a person goes to a big city because chances are a person might get rob,assulted or killed. it takes more time for a cop to get to the scene. for those who are against carrying a firearm i say "nuts " to u. also a person can protect themselves against people. for example that former marine in washington state was killed by two african americans and that guy in georgia got beat up by 4 people. if they were carrying a conceled weapon they would be alive today.
Size of a town has nothing to do with. I lived in a small town in Val Vista California and people still were shot,hit my vehicles etc.
Anything can be used for weapons nowadays.
I heard some truckers yesterday while on the highway talking about how long ago kids would use their fists to fight off a bully in school.Now those being bullied bring guns and knifes to school to defend themselves.How times have changed.
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Ignore him, he was just shooting his mouth off. <---thread hijack brought back on topic.