Cyn_RealHappily Taken,, New Territories Hong Kong515 posts
kidatheart: It's no different for men, having kids with the wrong person could mean ending up living a life of poverty, paying child support, and having to "negotiate" with your ex to see your own children, when she sees fit.
I've met a lot of women that wanted kids, but not necessarily a man, but had no objection to dragging them through court for money to pay for the kids. As well, some that planned just that, having kids so a man could support her, because of the kids, and with no intention of having the man "their" lives. Also, several that are vindictive, totally selfish, hateful and spiteful, and will use the children as a weapon.
After 35 years or so of watching "family dynamics", there's no way in the world that anyone can say it's rougher for the women than it is for the men. Even after meeting and talking to several so called "dead beat dad's", it's usually just over money, and not being able to afford the costs of it all, and slowly sinking in to a pit of despair, and some have even committed suicide because of it.
What most seemingly fail to realise is, the children are the ones that pay the ultimate price for what their parents decide to do. I intentionally avoided all of it, having a girlfriend, having kids, knowing full well what the odds are here in Canada, and what my future could could hold, if I had kids with the wrong woman.
It was my decision, and I do often feel cheated to an extent, seeing as I think I would have been a good father, and several people that know me have also mentioned that. Thing is though, it's a bad idea for a man to have a child with just anyone.
I know that. Materialistic behavior never know color.
LeeMoeAmsterdam, North Holland Netherlands38 posts
I'm 40 y/o with no children and I vote for "No".
In my long observation, I believe having children is not a decision a couple makes based on calculation of pros and cons. I neither see those "7 billion draining off the planet resources" as having anything to do with the decision.
I believe it is a pure emotional thing, and it's usually based on instinctive yearnings in the female and male (I mentioned the female first for a reason).
So I don't see in all these calculations more than unnecessary attempts to justify a diversion off pure nature that is perceived deep-down by the diverter as a mistake, which is -of course- wrong.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
SrecaSreca: Reason for existing of people on Planet is reproduction for next generations. Make that Planed be Paradiso for people and make millions kids!
No matter if many of them end up on the streets.
Do you want millions billions of kids? Btw China's policy about one child for family is not longer in effect.
LeanybeanSouthampton, Hampshire, England UK124 posts
Freedomofspeech9: I don't think I ever want to have children and part of this reasoning is because I would not want to bring them up in today's society!
How about you lot what are your views?
Society will change after the pole shift. But for now, I know what you mean.
If you´re intrigued by what I mean by pole shift, contact me.
no its not wrong the bible stipulates that we should have and multiply but it also says that those who have a need for each other and shud get married but you also have the choice to be single.
I recently met someone who never had kids and she is very happy about her life decision. its different for everyone just make the right decision
Bravojon: I would want kids bt times are too hard right now. :(
[except for the privileged wealthy]--it seems to me that I have always heard "how hard the times are", how prices keep going up, average people can't compete for the better apartments and real estate, etc...good jobs hard to find, and all that. I do believe that if a couple want to have kids, they need to have their act fully together, but life has no guarantees and even during the Great Depression people had scads of kids all the time.
Cyn_RealHappily Taken,, New Territories Hong Kong515 posts
tomcatwarne: I agree with what you say kid, there are the same problems in England, but here a woman can have a child and the state pays her generous allowances, so she can maintain an irresponsible life style and continue with her studies, which are also paid for by the state, and remain relatively free of financial worries on the taxpayer. I put a lot of this down to feminist leanings. JMO
imo, taking benefits from states is not independent action....more about irresponsible action...
Why would it be wrong to make a personal choice not to have children. What if the question was reversed? Would it be wrong to choose to have children? There would be more pros and cons with choosing to having children than not.
rider4u: I voted no but if we all felt that way then the humam race would cease to exist. However by not opting to have children you are in danger of losing control of your country through immigration. Canada's child population has shrunk due to a lot of the younger people of today not wanting kids and by opening the floodgates of immigration we will eventually be controlled by the very people we let in. We have gone past the tipping point and it is now an inevitability that it will happen. Now in fairness we are all immigrants here with only the aboriginal peoples (native Indian) being here first. But who did they displace way back when. So it's all just conjecture for now but a definite indication of the way our future will be.
Sounds like self-entitlement thinking of ours ours ours, xenophobia and maybe wanting to preserve white ancestry. We're caretakers in my view. It's all immaterial when we're dead. (Except egocentrism means our kids and kids kids comes into it). Sure in a democracy you want to keep it that way and whilst in the UK there has been terrorist attacks it will never be tolerated anywhere. Besides it's an extreme example. Boat people here are always making the news despite making up only a small percentage of those entering this country, one that is built on immigration. On the matter of kids, I think that people can get caught up in the cluckiness trap, and don't always think what a huge responsibility it is and what a big chunk it takes out of your life. Sure isn't for everyone.
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I've met a lot of women that wanted kids, but not necessarily a man, but had no objection to dragging them through court for money to pay for the kids. As well, some that planned just that, having kids so a man could support her, because of the kids, and with no intention of having the man "their" lives. Also, several that are vindictive, totally selfish, hateful and spiteful, and will use the children as a weapon.
After 35 years or so of watching "family dynamics", there's no way in the world that anyone can say it's rougher for the women than it is for the men. Even after meeting and talking to several so called "dead beat dad's", it's usually just over money, and not being able to afford the costs of it all, and slowly sinking in to a pit of despair, and some have even committed suicide because of it.
What most seemingly fail to realise is, the children are the ones that pay the ultimate price for what their parents decide to do. I intentionally avoided all of it, having a girlfriend, having kids, knowing full well what the odds are here in Canada, and what my future could could hold, if I had kids with the wrong woman.
It was my decision, and I do often feel cheated to an extent, seeing as I think I would have been a good father, and several people that know me have also mentioned that. Thing is though, it's a bad idea for a man to have a child with just anyone.
I know that. Materialistic behavior never know color.