tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
kidatheart: It's no different for men, having kids with the wrong person could mean ending up living a life of poverty, paying child support, and having to "negotiate" with your ex to see your own children, when she sees fit.
I've met a lot of women that wanted kids, but not necessarily a man, but had no objection to dragging them through court for money to pay for the kids. As well, some that planned just that, having kids so a man could support her, because of the kids, and with no intention of having the man "their" lives. Also, several that are vindictive, totally selfish, hateful and spiteful, and will use the children as a weapon.
After 35 years or so of watching "family dynamics", there's no way in the world that anyone can say it's rougher for the women than it is for the men. Even after meeting and talking to several so called "dead beat dad's", it's usually just over money, and not being able to afford the costs of it all, and slowly sinking in to a pit of despair, and some have even committed suicide because of it.
What most seemingly fail to realise is, the children are the ones that pay the ultimate price for what their parents decide to do. I intentionally avoided all of it, having a girlfriend, having kids, knowing full well what the odds are here in Canada, and what my future could could hold, if I had kids with the wrong woman.
It was my decision, and I do often feel cheated to an extent, seeing as I think I would have been a good father, and several people that know me have also mentioned that. Thing is though, it's a bad idea for a man to have a child with just anyone.
I agree with what you say kid, there are the same problems in England, but here a woman can have a child and the state pays her generous allowances, so she can maintain an irresponsible life style and continue with her studies, which are also paid for by the state, and remain relatively free of financial worries on the taxpayer. I put a lot of this down to feminist leanings. JMO
kidatheart: It's no different for men, having kids with the wrong person could mean ending up living a life of poverty, paying child support, and having to "negotiate" with your ex to see your own children, when she sees fit.
I've met a lot of women that wanted kids, but not necessarily a man, but had no objection to dragging them through court for money to pay for the kids. As well, some that planned just that, having kids so a man could support her, because of the kids, and with no intention of having the man "their" lives. Also, several that are vindictive, totally selfish, hateful and spiteful, and will use the children as a weapon.
After 35 years or so of watching "family dynamics", there's no way in the world that anyone can say it's rougher for the women than it is for the men. Even after meeting and talking to several so called "dead beat dad's", it's usually just over money, and not being able to afford the costs of it all, and slowly sinking in to a pit of despair, and some have even committed suicide because of it.
What most seemingly fail to realise is, the children are the ones that pay the ultimate price for what their parents decide to do. I intentionally avoided all of it, having a girlfriend, having kids, knowing full well what the odds are here in Canada, and what my future could could hold, if I had kids with the wrong woman.
It was my decision, and I do often feel cheated to an extent, seeing as I think I would have been a good father, and several people that know me have also mentioned that. Thing is though, it's a bad idea for a man to have a child with just anyone.
It is a pity that one of the most natural, and best, things in the world, children, are used as both weapons and pawns by vindictive people.
I have seen both revengeful mothers, and dads who refuse to pay for their own children's upbringing, and neither are winners, and the kids even less so.
And those kids learn from their life experiences, and so the cycle continues...
Freedomofspeech9: Dragos, Thank you for your post it is very informative and yes many children are waiting to be adopted by a loving family, but obvious the parents must be willing to do all the hard work involved in bringing up a child and they will spend the rest of their lives helping that child even in adulthood, so it is a enormous commitment.
Best of luck wish your adoption
Thanks for all the good tidings but I am still hoping that someone will "Adopt" me into their world and then I will see where that takes me. LOL.
Freedomofspeech9: I don't think I ever want to have children and part of this reasoning is because I would not want to bring them up in today's society!
How about you lot what are your views?
NO , NOT AT ALL .I think I'm in wrong to say to want to have children . !! Lol
MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
kidatheart: It's no different for men, having kids with the wrong person could mean ending up living a life of poverty, paying child support, and having to "negotiate" with your ex to see your own children, when she sees fit.
I've met a lot of women that wanted kids, but not necessarily a man, but had no objection to dragging them through court for money to pay for the kids. As well, some that planned just that, having kids so a man could support her, because of the kids, and with no intention of having the man "their" lives. Also, several that are vindictive, totally selfish, hateful and spiteful, and will use the children as a weapon.
After 35 years or so of watching "family dynamics", there's no way in the world that anyone can say it's rougher for the women than it is for the men. Even after meeting and talking to several so called "dead beat dad's", it's usually just over money, and not being able to afford the costs of it all, and slowly sinking in to a pit of despair, and some have even committed suicide because of it.
What most seemingly fail to realise is, the children are the ones that pay the ultimate price for what their parents decide to do. I intentionally avoided all of it, having a girlfriend, having kids, knowing full well what the odds are here in Canada, and what my future could could hold, if I had kids with the wrong woman.
It was my decision, and I do often feel cheated to an extent, seeing as I think I would have been a good father, and several people that know me have also mentioned that. Thing is though, it's a bad idea for a man to have a child with just anyone.
It happens here too.. that men are broke for years and years with maintenance payments... and fall to despair..
With your clear forward thinking, I am sure that you could have made a great father... but you are right... you cannot be having a child with just anyone...
I have children.. 2 boys.. which I brought up .. because my hubby died when he was quite young.. so I never had the hassle of child sharing, and money stuff... ( so I count myself as lucky in that regard)
It's not wrong if you don't want kids, you probably won't make a good parent anyway, so if you don't want them don't have em....One thing I have noticed though, most older folk who never bothered, through choice that is, seem to regret it.
It makes no sense to bring children into the world if you really and truly don't want them.I think there's enough unwanted children in the world as it is.Go take a look at an orphanage sometime.
Merriweather: It happens here too.. that men are broke for years and years with maintenance payments... and fall to despair..
With your clear forward thinking, I am sure that you could have made a great father... but you are right... you cannot be having a child with just anyone...
I have children.. 2 boys.. which I brought up .. because my hubby died when he was quite young.. so I never had the hassle of child sharing, and money stuff... ( so I count myself as lucky in that regard)
...I have,nt seen my 3 girls since my div/..20 odd years....but I still love them dearly.....
I hear you man its going on 7 for me. I ended up with one of those people that Kid was mentioning only she was meaner than you could imagine. Well I'm still alive making the best of it. Thank God for
chatonlyman2: I hear you man its going on 7 for me. I ended up with one of those people that Kid was mentioning only she was meaner than you could imagine. Well I'm still alive making the best of it. Thank God for
MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
chatonlyman2: I hear you man its going on 7 for me. I ended up with one of those people that Kid was mentioning only she was meaner than you could imagine. Well I'm still alive making the best of it. Thank God for
( sorry Chatman.. I had to have a peek at your pics..)
and sorry it went wrong for you... Jeez.. you are a good looking bloke.. just saying... not flirting..
damshoppin: It's not wrong if you don't want kids, you probably won't make a good parent anyway, so if you don't want them don't have em....One thing I have noticed though, most older folk who never bothered, through choice that is, seem to regret it.
I am not sure that most older folk regret it- or at least I never noticed this. perhaps those that feel their name will not be passed down to the next generation....
I for one, never wanted children, and I do love my siblings' children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. And I like my co-workers children, and children in general. Just never wished to take on the responsibilities and sacrifice that is required when you have a child.
If a person recognizes that they don't want children because they wouldn't be a good parent or they are too busy, whatever the reason is, they have made the best decision for the unborn child. There are many who should never have done the "thing" without birth control.
Freedomofspeech9: I don't think I ever want to have children and part of this reasoning is because I would not want to bring them up in today's society!
How about you lot what are your views?
When I was a teen ager, I vowed to never have children with a man I don't trust or one who would hate the children, resent their needs, or be jealous of them. I never found the guy who wants kids and wants to be married. It made me feel like everything I was raised to believe was a lie because almost every single movie or story had a romance and the people always fell in love which meant that they got married and lived happily ever after in a real world where married couples want to brain each other and are never happy until they get their divorces.
Cyn_RealHappily Taken,, New Territories Hong Kong515 posts
tomcatwarne: I agree with what you say kid, there are the same problems in England, but here a woman can have a child and the state pays her generous allowances, so she can maintain an irresponsible life style and continue with her studies, which are also paid for by the state, and remain relatively free of financial worries on the taxpayer. I put a lot of this down to feminist leanings. JMO
In Asia, people will talk behind your back if your daughter get pregnant without husband around. That's why our parents always remind us not to have kids before marriage. It is thougher for women with fatherless kids so we have to be more responsible about this. There are some hit and run guys out there.
For parents with sons, they also tell their sons not to do this embarassing action before marriage. They are also afraid if their sons got trapped by some irresponsible women. Some parents even won't talk with their daughter/son again if we broke this rule.
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I've met a lot of women that wanted kids, but not necessarily a man, but had no objection to dragging them through court for money to pay for the kids. As well, some that planned just that, having kids so a man could support her, because of the kids, and with no intention of having the man "their" lives. Also, several that are vindictive, totally selfish, hateful and spiteful, and will use the children as a weapon.
After 35 years or so of watching "family dynamics", there's no way in the world that anyone can say it's rougher for the women than it is for the men. Even after meeting and talking to several so called "dead beat dad's", it's usually just over money, and not being able to afford the costs of it all, and slowly sinking in to a pit of despair, and some have even committed suicide because of it.
What most seemingly fail to realise is, the children are the ones that pay the ultimate price for what their parents decide to do. I intentionally avoided all of it, having a girlfriend, having kids, knowing full well what the odds are here in Canada, and what my future could could hold, if I had kids with the wrong woman.
It was my decision, and I do often feel cheated to an extent, seeing as I think I would have been a good father, and several people that know me have also mentioned that. Thing is though, it's a bad idea for a man to have a child with just anyone.
I agree with what you say kid, there are the same problems in England, but here a woman can have a child and the state pays her generous allowances, so she can maintain an irresponsible life style and continue with her studies, which are also paid for by the state, and remain relatively free of financial worries on the taxpayer.
I put a lot of this down to feminist leanings. JMO