jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
It's interesting to see how some illnesses are accepted, but others not.
If there was a pull-yourself-together-and-get-a-job/get-on-with-life/whatever attitude on a thread where someone was ill with cancer, or Parkinson's for example, there's be outrage at the cruelty.
And yet I've known some very unwell people have their good days and it's applauded when they achieve something, whether it's on the road to recovery, or simply a rare good day with a life-long illness.
Why do we deny those achievements to those with certain illnesses?
Sadly, I believe it's to do with ignorance and prejudice.
Although there is value in positivity with many illnesses, 'looking on the bright side' is certainly not a cure for many. It's not a huge amount of help and can often be a hindrance to have that message pushed onto people with mental illnesses. It can be suffocating and have quite the reverse effect. I appreciate for many people it's their own survival strategy in the face of adversity, but it can be the undoing of others.
Sometimes people need the space to explore their difficulties in order to progress. They don't need to be told to suppress their issues, particularly as it's likely that's at least in part how they ended up ill in the first place.
Glatlol: Lol ah I know your right and dont know why this particular lying drunk gets on my nerves so much.
Think it is that he is the total mixture of all the things I hate. And it pisses me off that people pander to him on here.
Will take a step back and log off now though, I really do let him get to me to much.
Then perhaps it might help to examine your own difficulties and where your attitude toward Pedro stems from.
I suspect it's from your own experiences and past hurts.
Pedro hasn't done anything wrong. He does much to help himself, including working on his physical and emotional health. Personally, I've really enjoyed and valued seeing him evolve over the years.
jac379: It's interesting to see how some illnesses are accepted, but others not.
If there was a pull-yourself-together-and-get-a-job/get-on-with-life/whatever attitude on a thread where someone was ill with cancer, or Parkinson's for example, there's be outrage at the cruelty.
And yet I've known some very unwell people have their good days and it's applauded when they achieve something, whether it's on the road to recovery, or simply a rare good day with a life-long illness.
Why do we deny those achievements to those with certain illnesses?
Sadly, I believe it's to do with ignorance and prejudice.
Although there is value in positivity with many illnesses, 'looking on the bright side' is certainly not a cure for many. It's not a huge amount of help and can often be a hindrance to have that message pushed onto people with mental illnesses. It can be suffocating and have quite the reverse effect. I appreciate for many people it's their own survival strategy in the face of adversity, but it can be the undoing of others.
Sometimes people need the space to explore their difficulties in order to progress. They don't need to be told to suppress their issues, particularly as it's likely that's at least in part how they ended up ill in the first place. Then perhaps it might help to examine your own difficulties and where your attitude toward Pedro stems from.
I suspect it's from your own experiences and past hurts.
Pedro hasn't done anything wrong. He does much to help himself, including working on his physical and emotional health. Personally, I've really enjoyed and valued seeing him evolve over the years.
Talk about reading what you want into something. Show where I said pull yourself together at any stage? Show me where I suggested he look on the bright side?
I am neither ignorant nor prejudice re mental illness and have made no secret of the fact that I have lived with it for a number of years.
I know what illness P lives with, dont know why he suggests that I dont, and I know full well that he is more than capable of working if he chose to.
You know what you have seen here, as I said on a thread earlier today, paper never refused ink.
Of course my difficulties with him are from my experiences, it through my experiences that I have a dislike of anyone who is workshy, not just him.
Anyway, since you talk at people and not to them I am not entering into a dialogue of any description with you. I simply could not allow your statement that I was ignorant re mental illness slide, I will be on medication for my illness for the rest of my life and I have no problem with that, I wouldnt be still here if it wasnt for it.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Glatlol: Talk about reading what you want into something. Show where I said pull yourself together at any stage? Show me where I suggested he look on the bright side?
I am neither ignorant nor prejudice re mental illness and have made no secret of the fact that I have lived with it for a number of years.
I know what illness P lives with, dont know why he suggests that I dont, and I know full well that he is more than capable of working if he chose to.
You know what you have seen here, as I said on a thread earlier today, paper never refused ink.
Of course my difficulties with him are from my experiences, it through my experiences that I have a dislike of anyone who is workshy, not just him.Anyway, since you talk at people and not to them I am not entering into a dialogue of any description with you. I simply could not allow your statement that I was ignorant re mental illness slide, I will be on medication for my illness for the rest of my life and I have no problem with that, I wouldnt be still here if it wasnt for it.
Only the last part of my post was responding directly to one of your posts.
The first part was a general comment based upon reading the whole thread, but it's interesting that you should take it personally.
People with illness are not always knowledgeable about their own health, or the health of others. That much is evident.
TorlessChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,499 posts
rebel2: I am sure as individuals we have formed opinions of other forum posters, which may be correct or not. Surely, as adults we can we can choose to ignore those we "dislike" and interact with those we "like". That way, the site becomes a pleasure, does not suffer a slow death, and who knows maybe more will join in the forums and some life will come back to what should be an excellent [lace to interact with people from around the world in a pleasant, civilised manner.
jac379: It's interesting to see how some illnesses are accepted, but others not.
If there was a pull-yourself-together-and-get-a-job/get-on-with-life/whatever attitude on a thread where someone was ill with cancer, or Parkinson's for example, there's be outrage at the cruelty.
And yet I've known some very unwell people have their good days and it's applauded when they achieve something, whether it's on the road to recovery, or simply a rare good day with a life-long illness.
Why do we deny those achievements to those with certain illnesses?
Sadly, I believe it's to do with ignorance and prejudice.
Although there is value in positivity with many illnesses, 'looking on the bright side' is certainly not a cure for many. It's not a huge amount of help and can often be a hindrance to have that message pushed onto people with mental illnesses. It can be suffocating and have quite the reverse effect. I appreciate for many people it's their own survival strategy in the face of adversity, but it can be the undoing of others.
Sometimes people need the space to explore their difficulties in order to progress. They don't need to be told to suppress their issues, particularly as it's likely that's at least in part how they ended up ill in the first place. Then perhaps it might help to examine your own difficulties and where your attitude toward Pedro stems from.
I suspect it's from your own experiences and past hurts.
Pedro hasn't done anything wrong. He does much to help himself, including working on his physical and emotional health. Personally, I've really enjoyed and valued seeing him evolve over the years.
Obstinance_Works: I wasn't having a pop at you when I said that. I agree with you, glat was too harsh.
But it was only a matter of time before workshy leftoidian sophism reared its ugly head. And it's worth remembering that people were a lot less depressed before we decided that depression for depressions sake was ok, and people were a lot more functional before benefit culture(the neo-scrapheap)and the breakdown of post-industrial communities. I come from Burslem in Stoke-on-Trent - Britain doesn't come any more run down and deprived - don't you think I've known a thousand Pedros before?
I just think of my Great Grandad who sharpshooted 17 men at passiondale, was gassed and last 2 fingers from an artillery shell. Or My Grandad who after returning from the war in 1945 had a cup of tea and invented the NHS - Why were they not depressed? Why? Because they had courage, they stuck together, and Britain was still run by the upper-half of the gene pool. That's why.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Obstinance_Works: I just think of my Great Grandad who sharpshooted 17 men at passiondale, was gassed and last 2 fingers from an artillery shell. Or My Grandad who after returning from the war in 1945 had a cup of tea and invented the NHS- Why were they not depressed? Why? Because they had courage, they stuck together, and Britain was still run by the upper-half of the gene pool. That's why.
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