what kind of things men does not want to have in woman (122)
serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,959 Postsitsimpossible: Hogwash..men and women have different chemical balances in their brains. This is the reason why men are from Mars and women are from some really cold planet.
unlaoised: Venus baby, Venus
How cold is it?
unlaoised: And some of us do. Perhaps jac, just perhaps...it has nothing to do with training...we're just different in our thinking patterns. Thank god for that
So you think we're entirely genetically defined and our environment has no influence upon us whatsoever?
You think cognitive functioning is the only thing we do?
That's really radical, Unlaoised.
SCatlyn: "Men outperform women in tests of spatial ability while women outperform men in tests of verbal ability."- that's from Wikipedia - however, I learned years ago from doctors the ability to use language & express one's self was great in women, b/c the area of the brain responsible for that has 5 times the capacity compared to a man's, which is why women are naturally more verbal. Of course, that's not saying they're superior- just the genders have differences in the brain & while one is stronger in one area, the other is stronger in another area.
It's been awhile since I studied the subject, but I believe it's thought to be that way as women usually have jobs like comforting children, etc.- nurturing kinds of things.
I realize you said "think about things" - but I think(yeah I do, too) it's related to expressing those things - as women tend to do.
It's been awhile since I studied the subject, but I believe it's thought to be that way as women usually have jobs like comforting children, etc.- nurturing kinds of things.
I realize you said "think about things" - but I think(yeah I do, too) it's related to expressing those things - as women tend to do.
And how much of that is genetically fixed?
Because I believe there's a study, or two which suggests brain function might change, or develop with practice, or other influences.
jac379: How come there's so many single people, then, if it's that simple?
No decent women?
Besides, I can't say I've come across men who are that simple. The way I see it, they have just as much inside as women, just their trained to suppress it and aren't taught the skills in the same way women are. (Not that overall many people have the skills to be self-aware and fully express themselves.)
I see signs that the younger generation are a bit different, though.
I think it's both environment & genetics- as has often turned out to be the finding when conducting studies using identical twins raised separately. That is, environment(as in being trained to suppress), and my prev. post re differences in areas of the brain. No decent women?
Besides, I can't say I've come across men who are that simple. The way I see it, they have just as much inside as women, just their trained to suppress it and aren't taught the skills in the same way women are. (Not that overall many people have the skills to be self-aware and fully express themselves.)
I see signs that the younger generation are a bit different, though.
And while, to me, there are many things that are worse in the younger generations coming up, what you mentioned is definitely a good thing - to no longer be trained to be extremely suppressed(or for ex. to think that a woman's place is only - well I'd have to put a fill-in-the-blank on that one - there's so many), but the younger generation are becoming much better in some of those areas.
(I'm not the best at times in expressing 'in a clear & concise' manner what I mean - so sorry for the long post - it's partly a medical thing in my situation)
jac379: So you think we're entirely genetically defined and our environment has no influence upon us whatsoever?
You think cognitive functioning is the only thing we do?
That's really radical, Unlaoised.
Ah yes, the old heredity environment. In this case, men and women, it's hereditary. If you raise a boy as a girl what happens? He won't think like a woman. We know this because it's been done.You think cognitive functioning is the only thing we do?
That's really radical, Unlaoised.
jac379: Mid(riff pierced) Glamorgran...?
Good one 
Mid Glamorgran - Jac the glamorous midriff-pierced gran 
(don't see a midriff on her, but it's the best I could find)itsimpossible: Ah yes, the old heredity environment. In this case, men and women, it's hereditary. If you raise a boy as a girl what happens? He won't think like a woman. We know this because it's been done.
If gender is that simple, how come all men aren't identical and likewise with all women?
How come our gender traits overlap and we can track various traits back to our environment?
Examples of that might be a boy child being raised surrounded by women who displays greater nurturing traits than societal expectations allow for, or a girl child who grows up to be a tomboy with her gaggle of brothers.
jac379: Yes, shut up and leave the staus quo alone, I get it.
So, is everyone else going to stop complaining about their failed relationships and being single?
'Cause you know that saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results, eh?
I gave my son a poster that says:So, is everyone else going to stop complaining about their failed relationships and being single?
'Cause you know that saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results, eh?
If you do the things you've always done, you'll get the things you've always got. - he loved it - partly b/c he knew it was true & partly b/c he struggles so much himself with that & found it helpful to have on a poster.
jac379: If gender is that simple, how come all men aren't identical and likewise with all women?
How come our gender traits overlap and we can track various traits back to our environment?
Examples of that might be a boy child being raised surrounded by women who displays greater nurturing traits than societal expectations allow for, or a girl child who grows up to be a tomboy with her gaggle of brothers.
A girl who is a tomboy does not think like a man. They may act like one.How come our gender traits overlap and we can track various traits back to our environment?
Examples of that might be a boy child being raised surrounded by women who displays greater nurturing traits than societal expectations allow for, or a girl child who grows up to be a tomboy with her gaggle of brothers.
SCatlyn: I think it's both environment & genetics- as has often turned out to be the finding when conducting studies using identical twins raised separately. That is, environment(as in being trained to suppress), and my prev. post re differences in areas of the brain.
And while, to me, there are many things that are worse in the younger generations coming up, what you mentioned is definitely a good thing - to no longer be trained to be extremely suppressed(or for ex. to think that a woman's place is only - well I'd have to put a fill-in-the-blank on that one - there's so many), but the younger generation are becoming much better in some of those areas.
(I'm not the best at times in expressing 'in a clear & concise' manner what I mean - so sorry for the long post - it's partly a medical thing in my situation)
And while, to me, there are many things that are worse in the younger generations coming up, what you mentioned is definitely a good thing - to no longer be trained to be extremely suppressed(or for ex. to think that a woman's place is only - well I'd have to put a fill-in-the-blank on that one - there's so many), but the younger generation are becoming much better in some of those areas.
(I'm not the best at times in expressing 'in a clear & concise' manner what I mean - so sorry for the long post - it's partly a medical thing in my situation)
You've expressed yourself very clearly, Cat.
I agree, as is sensible to assume, we are a product of our genetic make-up and our environments.
I think people underestimate the impact of environmental factor, though. In doing that, we miss some golden opportunities for affecting change and meeting our own, or other's needs.
The genetic argument alone, smacks of throwing our arms up in the air and saying, "It's not my fault, there's nothing I can do about it, it's up to other people to be right for me, in the right place, at the right time, purely by chance." Unlikely, me thinks.
itsimpossible: A girl who is a tomboy does not think like a man. They may act like one.
Really? You sure about that...?
Do you get out much?
itsimpossible: How cold is it?
It's warm here
jac379: And how much of that is genetically fixed?
Because I believe there's a study, or two which suggests brain function might change, or develop with practice, or other influences.
Took me so long to post my other one, I didn't see this post, but it generally seems half and half- genetics and environment - I know from observing it, that genetics sure are strong, but environment has a huge impact, too. Because I believe there's a study, or two which suggests brain function might change, or develop with practice, or other influences.
The statistics I've seen usually turn out to say environment & genetics are about equal in their influence.
You're right about being able to effect some brain changes - I'd like to learn more about it. This man has only recently become known to a wider audience, but I was told about him years ago - Daniel Amen - Change Your Brain, Change Your Life(and several other books) - a psychiatrist with the best brain imaging technology available - located at the renowned clinic in Cincinnati, though I can't recall it's exact name at the moment, it's considered the best for children's medicine, adult, etc(not just psychiatry)- I first learned about the clinic when researching thyroid disease.
jac379: So you think we're entirely genetically defined and our environment has no influence upon us whatsoever?
You think cognitive functioning is the only thing we do?
That's really radical, Unlaoised.
You think cognitive functioning is the only thing we do?
That's really radical, Unlaoised.
Please don't twist my words, jac. I never said that we're "entirely genetically defined".
Men and women think differently...fact.
jac379: Really? You sure about that...?
Do you get out much?
Do you get out much?
It certainly applies in my case
jac379: You've expressed yourself very clearly, Cat.
I agree, as is sensible to assume, we are a product of our genetic make-up and our environments.
I think people underestimate the impact of environmental factor, though. In doing that, we miss some golden opportunities for affecting change and meeting our own, or other's needs.
The genetic argument alone, smacks of throwing our arms up in the air and saying, "It's not my fault, there's nothing I can do about it, it's up to other people to be right for me, in the right place, at the right time, purely by chance." Unlikely, me thinks.
I agree, as is sensible to assume, we are a product of our genetic make-up and our environments.
I think people underestimate the impact of environmental factor, though. In doing that, we miss some golden opportunities for affecting change and meeting our own, or other's needs.
The genetic argument alone, smacks of throwing our arms up in the air and saying, "It's not my fault, there's nothing I can do about it, it's up to other people to be right for me, in the right place, at the right time, purely by chance." Unlikely, me thinks.
Most definitely not genetics alone - I used to think environment actually had the edge, until I was shocked at observing an incident that could only be genetics - I'll never forget thinking, "Now that is something! Wow.. genetics - certainly figure in a great deal". But I believe, as it seems the medical consensus shows as well, environment & genetics are about equal - and was told the same by an extremely-gifted person in the profession.
No way does genetics alone determine the outcome of the way a person is- not even close.
p.s.Glad you understood my post(and I think my brain is tired now from so much "recall exertion" so I'll leave the intellectual stuff to you & others for now
)SCatlyn: Took me so long to post my other one, I didn't see this post, but it generally seems half and half- genetics and environment - I know from observing it, that genetics sure are strong, but environment has a huge impact, too.
The statistics I've seen usually turn out to say environment & genetics are about equal in their influence.
You're right about being able to effect some brain changes - I'd like to learn more about it. This man has only recently become known to a wider audience, but I was told about him years ago - Daniel Amen - Change Your Brain, Change Your Life(and several other books) - a psychiatrist with the best brain imaging technology available - located at the renowned clinic in Cincinnati, though I can't recall it's exact name at the moment, it's considered the best for children's medicine, adult, etc(not just psychiatry)- I first learned about the clinic when researching thyroid disease.
The statistics I've seen usually turn out to say environment & genetics are about equal in their influence.
You're right about being able to effect some brain changes - I'd like to learn more about it. This man has only recently become known to a wider audience, but I was told about him years ago - Daniel Amen - Change Your Brain, Change Your Life(and several other books) - a psychiatrist with the best brain imaging technology available - located at the renowned clinic in Cincinnati, though I can't recall it's exact name at the moment, it's considered the best for children's medicine, adult, etc(not just psychiatry)- I first learned about the clinic when researching thyroid disease.
There's a whole load of TEDx talks on youtube about changing your brain you might find interesting, Cat.
I watched one a while back about a woman who was a straight A student and then suffered a brain injury after a car accident. It's her story about her long climb back to academia. Absolutely brilliant and inspiring.
I can't find it right now because my internet connection is being intermittent, but if I do, I'll send you a link.
There are also documentaries on youtube about depression, anorexia and other psychological health issues showing how the brain changes, including the mass and function of certain areas at various stages of illness.
unlaoised: Please don't twist my words, jac. I never said that we're "entirely genetically defined".
Men and women think differently...fact.
Men and women think differently...fact.
And I didn't claim that men and women think the same, so would it be appropriate to accuse you of twisting my words? Or is it to do with how we interpret each other's communications from our own respective frame of reference?
What I'm exploring is how much of the way we think, feel and behave is in our control, such that we may affect change in our own lives. Therefore, how much is down to environment, rather than fixed as a function of genetics?
You and I plainly think very differently, but we're both women. How would you explain that?
jac379: And I didn't claim that men and women think the same, so would it be appropriate to accuse you of twisting my words? Or is it to do with how we interpret each other's communications from our own respective frame of reference?
What I'm exploring is how much of the way we think, feel and behave is in our control, such that we may affect change in our own lives. Therefore, how much is down to environment, rather than fixed as a function of genetics?
You and I plainly think very differently, but we're both women. How would you explain that?
What I'm exploring is how much of the way we think, feel and behave is in our control, such that we may affect change in our own lives. Therefore, how much is down to environment, rather than fixed as a function of genetics?
You and I plainly think very differently, but we're both women. How would you explain that?
I don't believe I said that you claimed women and men think differently
We think very differently, you're quite ri ght. Gosh, I wonder...perhaps we're just different people with different genetics and different life experiences? What do you think?
Anyway, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine
unlaoised: I don't believe I said that you claimed women and men think differently
We think very differently, you're quite ri ght. Gosh, I wonder...perhaps we're just different people with different genetics and different life experiences? What do you think?
Anyway, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine
We think very differently, you're quite ri ght. Gosh, I wonder...perhaps we're just different people with different genetics and different life experiences? What do you think?
Anyway, I'm off to enjoy the sunshine
And yet we do have patterns of behaviour aligned with gender and many an issue meeting in the middle, it seems.
Enjoy that sunshine.
jac379: If gender is that simple, how come all men aren't identical and likewise with all women?
How come our gender traits overlap and we can track various traits back to our environment?
Examples of that might be a boy child being raised surrounded by women who displays greater nurturing traits than societal expectations allow for, or a girl child who grows up to be a tomboy with her gaggle of brothers.
How come our gender traits overlap and we can track various traits back to our environment?
Examples of that might be a boy child being raised surrounded by women who displays greater nurturing traits than societal expectations allow for, or a girl child who grows up to be a tomboy with her gaggle of brothers.
I was that latter girl child. I grew up with brothers and all male neighbours to play with. I was a total tomboy.
I wear purty dresses now though
Having said that, I still have lots of male friends, and my female friends always come to me to interpret what their husbands/boyfriends may be thinking...
Thank's Ladies.
jac379: There's a whole load of TEDx talks on youtube about changing your brain you might find interesting, Cat.
I watched one a while back about a woman who was a straight A student and then suffered a brain injury after a car accident. It's her story about her long climb back to academia. Absolutely brilliant and inspiring.
I can't find it right now because my internet connection is being intermittent, but if I do, I'll send you a link.
There are also documentaries on youtube about depression, anorexia and other psychological health issues showing how the brain changes, including the mass and function of certain areas at various stages of illness.
Thanks Jac, that would be great - it would really be helpful to some who are very close to me - to work on making life more tolerable for them - it's a long, long story... much appreciated. Cat I watched one a while back about a woman who was a straight A student and then suffered a brain injury after a car accident. It's her story about her long climb back to academia. Absolutely brilliant and inspiring.
I can't find it right now because my internet connection is being intermittent, but if I do, I'll send you a link.
There are also documentaries on youtube about depression, anorexia and other psychological health issues showing how the brain changes, including the mass and function of certain areas at various stages of illness.
pedalguy59: Thank's Ladies.
mollybaby: I was that latter girl child. I grew up with brothers and all male neighbours to play with. I was a total tomboy.
I wear purty dresses now though
Having said that, I still have lots of male friends, and my female friends always come to me to interpret what their husbands/boyfriends may be thinking...
I wear purty dresses now though
Having said that, I still have lots of male friends, and my female friends always come to me to interpret what their husbands/boyfriends may be thinking...
I'd say I had both male and female traits with very little close male influence when I was growing up. A friend of mine once identified my traits collectively as independence.
In a workshop recently, a group of us were asked to line ourselves up with very male at one end and very female at the other. 50% of the men rated themselves lower than one of the women for identifying as male and all but that one women jostled for a position at the exact centre - none of us identified with being entirely female regardless of the purty frocks some of us were wearing. I got the impression we all wanted to seen as human beings without gender expectations.
Did i say mouth before?
That is funny to me thinking about it. There is more things that i DO NOT want in a woman than I DO want in one. What I don't want is:
Someone who just wants to sit at home.
Someone who is afraid of new things.
Someone who wants to live in a bar or casino.
Someone who only wants to do what they want.
Someone who is pissed off all the time.
Someone who lies, cheats or steals.
Someone who just wants to sit at home.
Someone who is afraid of new things.
Someone who wants to live in a bar or casino.
Someone who only wants to do what they want.
Someone who is pissed off all the time.
Someone who lies, cheats or steals.
I think another thing at play is raging hormones.
Then there is that question I remember our drama teacher asked us when we was 11 years old. Where do we get our personalities from ? is it something your born with or from our parents, family and friends and those we have known adding to it ?
Then there is that question I remember our drama teacher asked us when we was 11 years old. Where do we get our personalities from ? is it something your born with or from our parents, family and friends and those we have known adding to it ?
Another problem is if you dissect something to examine or study it...you introvertedly end up destroying it...something you did not want at all to happen to start with.
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