LadyLori: Well, I look at it like this: Ones children are an extension of ones self, so if I liked a person who had young kids, I would want to do everything in my power to be kind & accepting of that child. However, there are times when the child doesn't like the person their mom/dad has chosen, and that can really put a wedge into the relationship...or cause it to end. Even though I am almost 52, if I met a man who had young kids, I would have no issues with that. I love people/kids :)
54xmax: Wrong, if the relationship is serious, and it moves towards living together. Man has to cooperate, union becomes a family. It also comes down to respect. You cannot build a relationship with a future, and exclude the man from parenting. It just does not work that way. Nor a man would like that, if a man takes a child as his own. He is helping to raise it, paying the bills, investing emotions and so on, and the woman says that his word means nothing. It also shows disrespect towards the man, and the child will also not respect that man. How can it, if the mother does not respect the partner she accepted into their lives.
Also, history is one thing, and future is another. If you want to live in the past, you can do that. Woman' can't expect a normal, stable man to be ok with that, because it also means, that he is not accepted by a woman as a whole, but only as somebody who brings money to the house.
I am talking from experiences. I dated women with kids, and I don't have no issues with kids. However, how can a man see himself with that woman in the future, in the same home, if she cuts him out from huge decisions, that concern parenting when the relationship is already so far, that two move into the same home.
As for failing the test. If anyone failed, it was her failing my test. She showed her face, by letting a child behave as a spawn of satan. There was no test from her side, it was her parenting, or lack of it. I was a stranger to that child, and an adult. The kid showed absolutely no respect for anything or anyone. I was taught, to respect adults, behave at the table, and tantrums were something unthinkable in any shape or form.
I have been reading this dialog, and it is not a matter of anyone failing anything, How many times did the issues with kids cause a problem with the relationships you had with women who had young children? If it was a problem in ALL of them, then that could be something for you to look at. But what I think it mainly comes down to is compatibility in parenting style. The more the man and woman have in common in this area the better the chances.
Chances are you are not going to change her parenting style, nor she yours. I think it is just as disrespectful to jump in and discipline others' kids without being asked because it was disrespectful to the mother. Right in front of her children the man is essentailly saying, "I will discipline you because your mother is incompetent." that is not respectful either. the solution is finding someone who has the same ideas about discipline with some communication beforehand about agreed upon actions.
I agree the kids need to be given a lot of structure in terms of respectful and considerate behavior, but a lot of freedom in other areas (like clothes, friends, hobbies). But parents do their kids no favors when they do not teach them manners and to mind. Nothing worse than the adult product of THAT...lol
and to answer the OP, I am with the group that prefers someone at a similar stage in life. I do not want to raise any more young children and I can't imagine a man not having that expectation were we dating.....but I am at a point in life where I can live very spontaneously in my free time and I am not about to give that up
NidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia1,430 posts
I voted maybe. It's a very delicate matter with a lot of variables. The age of the child makes a huge difference, as does whether or not you're "uncle # 1" or # 20 that the child is exposed to and is expected to suddenly love and accept.
If you're serious about a woman with a child, I think it may be wise to act as just a family friend around the child for a long time until that child accepts you on those terms before you come in as a potential daddy replacement. Kids are smart (intuitive) and they're also self-centered and no child wants to see someone come in and take away their mommy.
Absolutely. Or at least here it does. A few years ago a Virginia family court opined (affirmed upon appeal) that if in this state a male provides any support for a child during the course of a relationship with the child's mother, to include food, clothing or shelter, then if the true father can not be located, that boyfriend can be required to pay child support until the child is 18, even if there had been no marriage and the woman and child's stay in his house was less than 30 days.
That evil ruling has put the brakes on a LOT of enthusiasm I may have had for dating some otherwise perfectly fine women. Who wishes to pay forever for someone else's kid if the mom was only there for a week?
skywarp92: course my caring nature is also a curse, makes me weak and undersirable man to most women but cant help it, just the way I am
You must be meeting the wrong women, as I find a caring, affectionate & giving man to be endearing, and a lot of women are the same. In my eyes, any man who dares show his warmer side is stronger than a man who doesn't dare show a caring side. Never label yourself as undesirable....someday, the RIGHT woman will come along, who will accept & love you just the way you are!
LadyLori: You must be meeting the wrong women, as I find a caring, affectionate & giving man to be endearing, and a lot of women are the same. In my eyes, any man who dares show his warmer side is stronger than a man who doesn't dare show a caring side. Never label yourself as undesirable....someday, the RIGHT woman will come along, who will accept & love you just the way you are!
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