IF M.Brown HAD been a felon who witnesses say beat a clerk with pipe&robbed..should the cop have sho (27)
First of all, am I missing something? I never saw on any of the news reports or video clip that Mike Brown used a pipe to beat the clerk. He simply shoved the guy aside. It was wrong of him to do that. It was wrong of him to steal. He was not a perfect person. But does that automatically make the cop flawless? We all know cops are only human, and too many of them get caught up in power struggles with other humans and use brutality or be trigger happy. Ideally, we would have better weapons at hand for stunning or knocking out an aggressor without having to take their life. Actually, we do, but the officer claimed he could not reach those alternatives. A claim I'm not 100% convinced of, and I'm not the only one
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There is also the question, do we want our police to execute, which is what the original question implies is an option.
Regarding that as the real question, if the officer hasn't witnessed the crime himself, I am inclined to vote no.
Regarding that as the real question, if the officer hasn't witnessed the crime himself, I am inclined to vote no.
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PrettyPrescious: First of all, am I missing something? I never saw on any of the news reports or video clip that Mike Brown used a pipe to beat the clerk. He simply shoved the guy aside. It was wrong of him to do that. It was wrong of him to steal. He was not a perfect person. But does that automatically make the cop flawless? We all know cops are only human, and too many of them get caught up in power struggles with other humans and use brutality or be trigger happy. Ideally, we would have better weapons at hand for stunning or knocking out an aggressor without having to take their life. Actually, we do, but the officer claimed he could not reach those alternatives. A claim I'm not 100% convinced of, and I'm not the only one
Really doesn't matter!
The Grand Jury was convinced!
They found that the Officer acted within Missouri Law!
If you want to change the Law,become a Resident of Missouri and get to work!
I suppose you'd just let him have the Gun he is trying to get away from you and scramble for the Pepperspray instead!
Pretty reasonable to spray within the confines of the Car!
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PrettyPrescious: First of all, am I missing something? I never saw on any of the news reports or video clip that Mike Brown used a pipe to beat the clerk. He simply shoved the guy aside. It was wrong of him to do that. It was wrong of him to steal. He was not a perfect person. But does that automatically make the cop flawless? We all know cops are only human, and too many of them get caught up in power struggles with other humans and use brutality or be trigger happy. Ideally, we would have better weapons at hand for stunning or knocking out an aggressor without having to take their life. Actually, we do, but the officer claimed he could not reach those alternatives. A claim I'm not 100% convinced of, and I'm not the only one
Sorry PrettyPrescious, that's not stealing, that;s classified as a robber. I'm sure if the store clerk had a gun, he may have taken care of that teen himself. You see, I'm a cop also and I've never used brutality against anyone and I'm not trigger happy, however, i will not take a taser to a knife or gun fight, meaning that if i'm sitting down eating and you walk in with a gun in your hand, you will die and it makes no difference if it's your first time are that you just never got caught until you met me. You may not be 100% convinced that the officer was unable to reach any of his other weapons, if that the case, maybe you should go over to your local Sheriff Office and attend their Citizen's Academy and do some ride alongs, then you'll have a better understanding of what an officer deals with on a daily basis and it would be an eye opener for you.
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what Brown committed in that Store amounts to Strongarm-Robbery!
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Solution A: absolve the cop.
Solution B: jail the cop.
Is there something in between?
Solution B: jail the cop.
Is there something in between?
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I was not happy with the way things were done, and the state is already looking into the police force..not sure what else they are looking at. I'm not going to move to the state of Missourri---I can't stand the mentality of the south, thank u very much 
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I was responding to Conrad
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you tell it, it was the hippie freaks looking for ez no labor
gubment jobs, seen em.. givem a little responsibility, they turn into
little musaloni's... divide and conquer...
gubment jobs, seen em.. givem a little responsibility, they turn into
little musaloni's... divide and conquer...
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conroe301: Sorry PrettyPrescious, that's not stealing, that;s classified as a robber. I'm sure if the store clerk had a gun, he may have taken care of that teen himself. You see, I'm a cop also and I've never used brutality against anyone and I'm not trigger happy, however, i will not take a taser to a knife or gun fight, meaning that if i'm sitting down eating and you walk in with a gun in your hand, you will die and it makes no difference if it's your first time are that you just never got caught until you met me. You may not be 100% convinced that the officer was unable to reach any of his other weapons, if that the case, maybe you should go over to your local Sheriff Office and attend their Citizen's Academy and do some ride alongs, then you'll have a better understanding of what an officer deals with on a daily basis and it would be an eye opener for you.
I agree that cops have it bad. I used to babysit for one; he was the nicest guy.
Remember though, that Brown did not have a gun
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PrettyPrescious: I agree that cops have it bad. I used to babysit for one; he was the nicest guy.
Remember though, that Brown did not have a gun
Remember though, that Brown did not have a gun
move to texas and you won't have to worry about it, everyone here is armed.... politeness abounds
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PrettyPrescious: I agree that cops have it bad. I used to babysit for one; he was the nicest guy.
Remember though, that Brown did not have a gun
Remember though, that Brown did not have a gun
The fact that he didn't have a gun doesn't mean he didn't have a weapon.
His weapon was his 330 pound body and his brain that was on marijuana
Conroe has given you good advice to attend a Citizens Academy. I went to one when my daughter joined the Sheriffs Department. It's not just one meeting. You learn about the academics of an officer, physical training they need to pass, K9 training, drug training. It's extremely informative and helpful to know how police officers need to apply all this training sometimes in just one day.
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PrettyPrescious: I agree that cops have it bad. I used to babysit for one; he was the nicest guy.
Remember though, that Brown did not have a gun
Remember though, that Brown did not have a gun
Here is a very good and legitimate question for you.
How would you defend yourself if someone WHO was armed like Mike Brown was, and you had a self defense weapon AKA a firearm, would you use it? If not, Why? Oh don't answer that, for you would be deceased. Anyone who uses their fists are armed, and deserved what they get. Sorry but I don't sympathize with criminals, do you?
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secretagent09: The fact that he didn't have a gun doesn't mean he didn't have a weapon.
His weapon was his 330 pound body and his brain that was on marijuana
Conroe has given you good advice to attend a Citizens Academy. I went to one when my daughter joined the Sheriffs Department. It's not just one meeting. You learn about the academics of an officer, physical training they need to pass, K9 training, drug training. It's extremely informative and helpful to know how police officers need to apply all this training sometimes in just one day.
His weapon was his 330 pound body and his brain that was on marijuana
Conroe has given you good advice to attend a Citizens Academy. I went to one when my daughter joined the Sheriffs Department. It's not just one meeting. You learn about the academics of an officer, physical training they need to pass, K9 training, drug training. It's extremely informative and helpful to know how police officers need to apply all this training sometimes in just one day.
Hmmm, that's an idea for a person to learn what the police trainings are; I used to work for the district court of the city I used to live in, so I saw officers coming and going into court there, but that was the extent of it.
But things keep changing and trainings change accordingly. Also, the case is not completely over: the Justice dept. will investigate and so will the FBI, although it's unlikely the FBI will be able to find that he discriminated against the kid. Right now Missouri is re-thinking things with their police training/tactics just as we have already done here in Seattle, Arizona and New York. Nothing ever stays the same, there is always room for reflection, growth and improvement.
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PrettyPrescious: First of all, am I missing something? I never saw on any of the news reports or video clip that Mike Brown used a pipe to beat the clerk. He simply shoved the guy aside. It was wrong of him to do that. It was wrong of him to steal. He was not a perfect person. But does that automatically make the cop flawless? We all know cops are only human, and too many of them get caught up in power struggles with other humans and use brutality or be trigger happy. Ideally, we would have better weapons at hand for stunning or knocking out an aggressor without having to take their life. Actually, we do, but the officer claimed he could not reach those alternatives. A claim I'm not 100% convinced of, and I'm not the only one
You are right(what I knew from start as well)..was not even an argument in news or anywhere that Brown EVER had pipe and threatened to beat a clerk to rob him. I did put if Brown HAD..etc..but I suppose might be taken as way you did. Actually.
WHY did I ask this question THIS way? Well, remember Rodney King..he was beat and not killed.However,he had a history of selfish-butt crimes involving force with some. In one, he threatened/acared a clerk to give him money.Threatened with pipe of some sort. Even though cops are supposed to allow the COURT system to do the job of punishment..and prison,etc..and no-one can legally BEAT inmates. I didn't care ABOUT a felon LIKE that. I asked the question without mentioning the name Rodney King because many think it was only about race.Might have only been because of something they knew about his actions or his cooperation at that time, amybe a comment. But I KNOW if many cops got a call about some robbery that happened that was a forced robbery VERSUS SIMPLY taking cigarillos..they would be on higher alert inside themselves and more prone to see the person as a threat that would LIKELY kill. I may shoot easier with King then with Brown by FAR. IF I knew what Brwn just did I would know he MIGHT not be a threat but on the other hand he MIGHT want to try whatever to not be caught,also.
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StandardsFirst: Answer as is.
Answer what? 
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Ken_19: There is also the question, do we want our police to execute, which is what the original question implies is an option.
Regarding that as the real question, if the officer hasn't witnessed the crime himself, I am inclined to vote no.
Regarding that as the real question, if the officer hasn't witnessed the crime himself, I am inclined to vote no.
Not my intention. Maybe not a good poll question, mostly because not enough room to ask the question so I shortened..and then it also needs lots of explaining in a sense.
Let me ask YOU,personally.If you are a cop and you got a call about ANY male(but we'll not say BROWN because he didn't DO THIS crime..)who just robbed someone with a forceful threat..and than you see THIS guy who also threatens you and tries to take your weapon -would that effect your being likely to shoot him to PROTECT yourself from THIS TYPE who ALREADY USED FORCE to rob (which can certainly mean he is unpredictable,maybe fearless, maybe could badly harm or kill)?
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HEY!! GET out..you're in TROUBBBBBLLLE!! No eating popcorn at this show.Ha ha. And you stare to much.I'm being silly..tired..I guess.
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StandardsFirst: Not my intention. Maybe not a good poll question, mostly because not enough room to ask the question so I shortened..and then it also needs lots of explaining in a sense.
Let me ask YOU,personally.If you are a cop and you got a call about ANY male(but we'll not say BROWN because he didn't DO THIS crime..)who just robbed someone with a forceful threat..and than you see THIS guy who also threatens you and tries to take your weapon -would that effect your being likely to shoot him to PROTECT yourself from THIS TYPE who ALREADY USED FORCE to rob (which can certainly mean he is unpredictable,maybe fearless, maybe could badly harm or kill)?
Let me ask YOU,personally.If you are a cop and you got a call about ANY male(but we'll not say BROWN because he didn't DO THIS crime..)who just robbed someone with a forceful threat..and than you see THIS guy who also threatens you and tries to take your weapon -would that effect your being likely to shoot him to PROTECT yourself from THIS TYPE who ALREADY USED FORCE to rob (which can certainly mean he is unpredictable,maybe fearless, maybe could badly harm or kill)?
Both my experience and my training is anyone who is trying to grab my gun is most probably intending to use it on me. Allowing them to prove that would be stupid. Therefore the attempt itself is considered a potential use of deadly force against me and it will be met in kind with a loud bang or five or until the threat stops moving.
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PrettyPrescious: I was not happy with the way things were done, and the state is already looking into the police force..not sure what else they are looking at. I'm not going to move to the state of Missourri---I can't stand the mentality of the south, thank u very much
Not Happy?
Which one are you then?
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PrettyPrescious: First of all, am I missing something? I never saw on any of the news reports or video clip that Mike Brown used a pipe to beat the clerk. He simply shoved the guy aside. It was wrong of him to do that. It was wrong of him to steal. He was not a perfect person. But does that automatically make the cop flawless? We all know cops are only human, and too many of them get caught up in power struggles with other humans and use brutality or be trigger happy. Ideally, we would have better weapons at hand for stunning or knocking out an aggressor without having to take their life. Actually, we do, but the officer claimed he could not reach those alternatives. A claim I'm not 100% convinced of, and I'm not the only one
Yeah, and I know what it is
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PrettyPrescious: I was not happy with the way things were done, and the state is already looking into the police force..not sure what else they are looking at. I'm not going to move to the state of Missourri---I can't stand the mentality of the south, thank u very much
This is your lucky day! I am providing free geography lessons.
First, Missouri is not "a southern state".
We are located in the Midwest.
Secondly, even if Missouri experienced a major landslide and we slid down to join the southern states, how would our "mentality" be inferior to, for example, the mentality of people who reside in your neck of the woods?
Do you find people in your area to be superior? Kind've sounds like it. And if that is the case, then perhaps you should look inside yourself before criticizing other groups of people.
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Kaybee50: This is your lucky day! I am providing free geography lessons.
First, Missouri is not "a southern state".
We are located in the Midwest.
Secondly, even if Missouri experienced a major landslide and we slid down to join the southern states, how would our "mentality" be inferior to, for example, the mentality of people who reside in your neck of the woods?
Do you find people in your area to be superior? Kind've sounds like it. And if that is the case, then perhaps you should look inside yourself before criticizing other groups of people.
First, Missouri is not "a southern state".
We are located in the Midwest.
Secondly, even if Missouri experienced a major landslide and we slid down to join the southern states, how would our "mentality" be inferior to, for example, the mentality of people who reside in your neck of the woods?
Do you find people in your area to be superior? Kind've sounds like it. And if that is the case, then perhaps you should look inside yourself before criticizing other groups of people.
seems things don't look so well up in that Neck Of The Woods!
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Kaybee50: This is your lucky day! I am providing free geography lessons.
First, Missouri is not "a southern state".
We are located in the Midwest.
Secondly, even if Missouri experienced a major landslide and we slid down to join the southern states, how would our "mentality" be inferior to, for example, the mentality of people who reside in your neck of the woods?
Do you find people in your area to be superior? Kind've sounds like it. And if that is the case, then perhaps you should look inside yourself before criticizing other groups of people.
First, Missouri is not "a southern state".
We are located in the Midwest.
Secondly, even if Missouri experienced a major landslide and we slid down to join the southern states, how would our "mentality" be inferior to, for example, the mentality of people who reside in your neck of the woods?
Do you find people in your area to be superior? Kind've sounds like it. And if that is the case, then perhaps you should look inside yourself before criticizing other groups of people.
I stand corrected; I've never been to Missourri. I live in the Pacific Northwest....
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PrettyPrescious: I stand corrected; I've never been to Missourri. I live in the Pacific Northwest....
Then you are not in a position to speak with confidence about our mentality, just as I am not in a position to label the mentality of the wonderful people from the Pacific Northwest. 
People are people wherever we live. We should be breaking down the barriers of ignorance, not building up those walls of prejudice and bias.
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