Should The Hungarian Reporter Kicking Refugees Being Punished With Jail? (76)
No jail, fined.
This has been blown out of proportion because of the current situation.
What she did was wrong, and it is also wrong when it happens on a Saturday night in the street after the pubs have closed. Would the perpetrator who did this on the street at night be jailed? No, they would be fined, and so should she.
This has been blown out of proportion because of the current situation.
What she did was wrong, and it is also wrong when it happens on a Saturday night in the street after the pubs have closed. Would the perpetrator who did this on the street at night be jailed? No, they would be fined, and so should she.
lifeisadream: László
"The Hungarian camera operator who was filmed kicking two refugee children and tripping up a man at the border hotspot of Röszke this week has apologised, saying “something snapped in me” and she cannot believe her actions.
László was fired by Hungarian nationalist television channel N1TV after video of the incident was posted on Twitter by Stephan Richter, a reporter for the German television channel RTL.
N1TV – which has links to the far-right Jobbik party – said her behaviour was “unacceptable” and her job had been terminated “with immediate effect”.
Journalists just like anybody else could commit an error as well as medias.
What we have seen on videos could hide something more coherent.
On Thursday, Hungarian prosecutors said a criminal case for breach of the peace had been opened against her. Sandor Toro, the deputy chief prosecutor of Csongrád county, said: “In the course of the investigation, the authorities will also examine if more serious crimes … can be established.”
Claire Phipps and Daniel Nolan
Frida 11 September 2015 10.43 BST
Were you the judge to rule this case which would your verdict be?
Thanks in advance!
"The Hungarian camera operator who was filmed kicking two refugee children and tripping up a man at the border hotspot of Röszke this week has apologised, saying “something snapped in me” and she cannot believe her actions.
László was fired by Hungarian nationalist television channel N1TV after video of the incident was posted on Twitter by Stephan Richter, a reporter for the German television channel RTL.
N1TV – which has links to the far-right Jobbik party – said her behaviour was “unacceptable” and her job had been terminated “with immediate effect”.
Journalists just like anybody else could commit an error as well as medias.
What we have seen on videos could hide something more coherent.
On Thursday, Hungarian prosecutors said a criminal case for breach of the peace had been opened against her. Sandor Toro, the deputy chief prosecutor of Csongrád county, said: “In the course of the investigation, the authorities will also examine if more serious crimes … can be established.”
Claire Phipps and Daniel Nolan
Frida 11 September 2015 10.43 BST
Were you the judge to rule this case which would your verdict be?
Thanks in advance!
Journalists just like anybody else could commit an error as well as medias.
What we have seen on videos could hide something more coherent.
What we have seen on videos could hide something more coherent.
Con, thanks for your undestanding!We are more than tired but very near to another revolution. We are sooooo fed up with Big Brothers and Big Sisters telling us what to do and envying your position.
But we have been sold first in Yalta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference and second in Malta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_Summit) and ever since than we have only troubles...
Anyway back to the subject, media/internet easy to manipulate.
So, how about to wait what the investigationp will say?
As far I know the prosecutor is in charge to decide upon the evidences and listening the eyewittnesses whether the accusation is grounded or not?
And as far I know untill her guilt has not been proof she must be be taken as innocent.
All my respect for those who are reading the links I have posted earlier in this matter.
lifeisadream: László
"The Hungarian camera operator who was filmed kicking two refugee children and tripping up a man at the border hotspot of Röszke this week has apologised, saying “something snapped in me” and she cannot believe her actions.
László was fired by Hungarian nationalist television channel N1TV after video of the incident was posted on Twitter by Stephan Richter, a reporter for the German television channel RTL.
N1TV – which has links to the far-right Jobbik party – said her behaviour was “unacceptable” and her job had been terminated “with immediate effect”.
On Thursday, Hungarian prosecutors said a criminal case for breach of the peace had been opened against her. Sandor Toro, the deputy chief prosecutor of Csongrád county, said: “In the course of the investigation, the authorities will also examine if more serious crimes … can be established.”
Claire Phipps and Daniel Nolan
Frida 11 September 2015 10.43 BST
Were you the judge to rule this case which would your verdict be?
Thanks in advance!
"The Hungarian camera operator who was filmed kicking two refugee children and tripping up a man at the border hotspot of Röszke this week has apologised, saying “something snapped in me” and she cannot believe her actions.
László was fired by Hungarian nationalist television channel N1TV after video of the incident was posted on Twitter by Stephan Richter, a reporter for the German television channel RTL.
N1TV – which has links to the far-right Jobbik party – said her behaviour was “unacceptable” and her job had been terminated “with immediate effect”.
On Thursday, Hungarian prosecutors said a criminal case for breach of the peace had been opened against her. Sandor Toro, the deputy chief prosecutor of Csongrád county, said: “In the course of the investigation, the authorities will also examine if more serious crimes … can be established.”
Claire Phipps and Daniel Nolan
Frida 11 September 2015 10.43 BST
Were you the judge to rule this case which would your verdict be?
Thanks in advance!
Send her to tolerance camp.
This kind of thing happens all the time, especially when the police give somebody a touch-up. Eventually, the entire film comes out, where they've spat at or hit the police first. Then the do gooders shut up and nobody cares any more.
pat8lanips: This kind of thing happens all the time, especially when the police give somebody a touch-up. Eventually, the entire film comes out, where they've spat at or hit the police first. Then the do gooders shut up and nobody cares any more.
The pliceman , just before the incident, was clearly trying to apprehend the man in question by grabbing him. Is he to be charged with assault. It is unfortunate a child was involved and an error of judgement on the journalist's part, but not warranting jail, and she should keep her job, she kept the camera rolling all the time.
pat8lanips: This kind of thing happens all the time, especially when the police give somebody a touch-up. Eventually, the entire film comes out, where they've spat at or hit the police first. Then the do gooders shut up and nobody cares any more.
tomcatwarne: The pliceman , just before the incident, was clearly trying to apprehend the man in question by grabbing him. Is he to be charged with assault. It is unfortunate a child was involved and an error of judgement on the journalist's part, but not warranting jail, and she should keep her job, she kept the camera rolling all the time.
SHE WILL!
kidatheart: Maybe not.
But you can!
chris27292729: You creating a storm in a tea cup,with this thread.
Can you see another cups for tea or coffee in the image below?
Granting asylum
"Although huge numbers have been applying for asylum, the number of people being given asylum is far lower."
Besides, do not forget thay Germany had given an invitation to Syrian Refugees and she did not say it was a RSVP.
EQandIQ2: Con, thanks for your undestanding!
We are more than tired but very near to another revolution. We are sooooo fed up with Big Brothers and Big Sisters telling us what to do and envying your position.
But we have been sold first in Yalta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference and second in Malta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_Summit) and ever since than we have only troubles...
Anyway back to the subject, media/internet easy to manipulate.
So, how about to wait what the investigationp will say?
As far I know the prosecutor is in charge to decide upon the evidences and listening the eyewittnesses whether the accusation is grounded or not?
And as far I know untill her guilt has not been proof she must be be taken as innocent.
All my respect for those who are reading the links I have posted earlier in this matter.
We are more than tired but very near to another revolution. We are sooooo fed up with Big Brothers and Big Sisters telling us what to do and envying your position.
But we have been sold first in Yalta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference and second in Malta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_Summit) and ever since than we have only troubles...
Anyway back to the subject, media/internet easy to manipulate.
So, how about to wait what the investigationp will say?
As far I know the prosecutor is in charge to decide upon the evidences and listening the eyewittnesses whether the accusation is grounded or not?
And as far I know untill her guilt has not been proof she must be be taken as innocent.
All my respect for those who are reading the links I have posted earlier in this matter.
She might be non-guilty (which I do hope) but she is not innocent.
kidatheart: I'm sure you don't.
I was hoping you would elaborate.
I'm particularly confused by your "...especially women" comment in relation to the journalist kicking the girl child.
kidatheart: OMD, a woman with her face covered, in that crowd, call the authorities!
I didn't mean that the journalist covering her face might be an issue for the authorities per se, and I don't think I implied that in any way.
I'm just curious as to why someone who appears to have committed assault had her face covered with a bandanna. It raises the question of premeditation for me.
kidatheart: Oh wait, they were there, and people were running away from them.
Can you put this comment in some kind of context for me, please?
kidatheart: I have to wonder, if this scene were in Syria, what the video would show, and what the outcome might be.
What are you wondering and how does that relate to what appeared to happen in Hungary?
kidatheart: I'd also like to see the video from the preceding 15 to 30 minutes, as well as after for at least 10. That might paint a bigger picture, and give people a little more to go on. Might also be good to know what happened much earlier, previous days, weeks, or where she had been before this occurred.
Of course, none of that matters to some.
Of course, none of that matters to some.
Yes, it would be interesting, but it wouldn't alter the fact that children were hurt because of the violent acts of this journalist. Like I said earlier, background information may help us (and the apparent perpetrator) understand and process her actions, but it doesn't excuse them.
rebel2: No jail, fined.
This has been blown out of proportion because of the current situation.
What she did was wrong, and it is also wrong when it happens on a Saturday night in the street after the pubs have closed. Would the perpetrator who did this on the street at night be jailed? No, they would be fined, and so should she.
This has been blown out of proportion because of the current situation.
What she did was wrong, and it is also wrong when it happens on a Saturday night in the street after the pubs have closed. Would the perpetrator who did this on the street at night be jailed? No, they would be fined, and so should she.
Putting aside the issue of appropriate punishment (I won't go further than to say this situation should be subject to the appropriate legal procedures), I disagree with you that it's comparable to an assault on a Saturday night after the pubs have closed, assuming the latter involved only adults.
I don't think objecting to children being kicked, or dropped has anything to do with the current refugee situation, either. For me, the focus should be the issue of assault, particularly assaulting minors.
tomcatwarne: The pliceman , just before the incident, was clearly trying to apprehend the man in question by grabbing him. Is he to be charged with assault. It is unfortunate a child was involved and an error of judgement on the journalist's part, but not warranting jail, and she should keep her job, she kept the camera rolling all the time.
As I understand it, the police usually have the right to apprehend and grab a suspect. They don't have the right to kick, or otherwise hurt people including children, unless there is an issue of immediate danger.
I don't think journalists have the right to kick, trip and hurt people including children, either.
I suppose there might have been a busy main road, or cliff just out of view of the cameras that the masked journalist was trying to save those people from running into, or over, but it would be difficult to justify those kind of actions (rather than using arm flapping movements) even in those circumstances, wouldn't it?
pat8lanips: This kind of thing happens all the time, especially when the police give somebody a touch-up. Eventually, the entire film comes out, where they've spat at or hit the police first. Then the do gooders shut up and nobody cares any more.
If the man and children had done something wrong, then that too should be considered through appropriate legal channels.
It wouldn't alter that the apparent assaults should also be considered through appropriate legal channels.
If a child throws stones through the church windows, it wouldn't be justifiable for an adult to kick them. You'd still expect the adult to face the consequences of their inappropriate/illegal actions.
kidatheart: I also think it shows that those that are being let into host countries have little respect for the authorities, and as a result place themselves and those that they're accompanying into danger as a result.
Not saying what she did is "right", but I also won't condemn her from a short set of repetitive and narrated video clips. They obviously don't show the entire story, and I have yet to hear the rest, or her side.
Not saying what she did is "right", but I also won't condemn her from a short set of repetitive and narrated video clips. They obviously don't show the entire story, and I have yet to hear the rest, or her side.
Hi life it's obvious I wasn't there so I would have no opinion either way.
rebel2: No jail, fined.
This has been blown out of proportion because of the current situation.
What she did was wrong, and it is also wrong when it happens on a Saturday night in the street after the pubs have closed. Would the perpetrator who did this on the street at night be jailed? No, they would be fined, and so should she.
This has been blown out of proportion because of the current situation.
What she did was wrong, and it is also wrong when it happens on a Saturday night in the street after the pubs have closed. Would the perpetrator who did this on the street at night be jailed? No, they would be fined, and so should she.
hiya reb
i'm of the same mind as you on this one.
she panicked, and made a mistake.
i don't think jail is the answer for a number of reasons, including the cost to tax payers.
i would choose a fine (which would cover court costs and folks' time spent on this). in addition, i would choose some kind of education program on the issues and culture, the opportunity for her to make an apology, and some probation time which would include some sort of community service related to the crisis.
jmho
jono7: hiya reb
i'm of the same mind as you on this one.
she panicked, and made a mistake.
i don't think jail is the answer for a number of reasons, including the cost to tax payers.
i would choose a fine (which would cover court costs and folks' time spent on this). in addition, i would choose some kind of education program on the issues and culture, the opportunity for her to make an apology, and some probation time which would include some sort of community service related to the crisis.
jmho
i'm of the same mind as you on this one.
she panicked, and made a mistake.
i don't think jail is the answer for a number of reasons, including the cost to tax payers.
i would choose a fine (which would cover court costs and folks' time spent on this). in addition, i would choose some kind of education program on the issues and culture, the opportunity for her to make an apology, and some probation time which would include some sort of community service related to the crisis.
jmho
jono7: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/11/something-snapped-hungarian-camera-operator-apologises-kicking-refugees
..there is a simple soloution..........shoot her.
tomcatwarne: The pliceman , just before the incident, was clearly trying to apprehend the man in question by grabbing him. Is he to be charged with assault. It is unfortunate a child was involved and an error of judgement on the journalist's part, but not warranting jail, and she should keep her job, she kept the camera rolling all the time.
I wonder if the journalist and all those who manipuleted the media will ever be named and questioned about their true intentions?
And the manipulated bloodthirty net users will ever be aware of their blindness?
EQandIQ2: I wonder if the journalist and all those who manipuleted the media will ever be named and questioned about their true intentions?
And the manipulated bloodthirty net users will ever be aware of their blindness?
And the manipulated bloodthirty net users will ever be aware of their blindness?
Are you saying your justice system could be blind?
Because that reporter (conational of yours I would assume) has been under investigation and she faces being charged with jail (which again I do find it unnecessary).
Blindness?
Could that work in only one way?
Is it blindness when:
It is about the Refugee rights?
But when it is about Anti-migrants then:
Is every thing the absolute truth?
Is the media manipulating just one side of the story?
Poll: Should The Hungarian Reporter Kicking Refugees Being Punished With Jail?
No, that is too much, she has apologized.
Yes, it is unceptable to kick children or anyone.
Other: please explain
Thank you Jono anyway.
No, that is too much, she has apologized.
Yes, it is unceptable to kick children or anyone.
Other: please explain
jono7: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/11/something-snapped-hungarian-camera-operator-apologises-kicking-refugees
Thank you Jono anyway.
jono7: hiya reb
i'm of the same mind as you on this one.
she panicked, and made a mistake.
i don't think jail is the answer for a number of reasons, including the cost to tax payers.
i would choose a fine (which would cover court costs and folks' time spent on this). in addition, i would choose some kind of education program on the issues and culture, the opportunity for her to make an apology, and some probation time which would include some sort of community service related to the crisis.
jmho
i'm of the same mind as you on this one.
she panicked, and made a mistake.
i don't think jail is the answer for a number of reasons, including the cost to tax payers.
i would choose a fine (which would cover court costs and folks' time spent on this). in addition, i would choose some kind of education program on the issues and culture, the opportunity for her to make an apology, and some probation time which would include some sort of community service related to the crisis.
jmho
A custodial sentence also seems harsh to me.
Dedovix: Well in my humble opinion, her journalist license should be canceled for life ,
Jail??? Dont really know ...
Jail??? Dont really know ...
Cancel her license/permit as a reporter for life Boban???
How would you reach that conclusion?
That is too much on my view.
TheRedSquirrel87: Send her to tolerance camp.
Could you please Rumples, Obstinance and now Red elaborate on that?
(although a couple of posts would be sufficient)
Ccincy: Hi life it's obvious I wasn't there so I would have no opinion either way.
if we should comment on situations where: "we have been at only" these threads/site could have very well being dead for some time CC
Shamed, punished and jailed.
Adults should know that the degradation of any human
should be held in contempt and be forced to be held accountable.
Adults should know that the degradation of any human
should be held in contempt and be forced to be held accountable.
lifeisadream: László
"The Hungarian camera operator who was filmed kicking two refugee children and tripping up a man at the border hotspot of Röszke this week has apologised, saying “something snapped in me” and she cannot believe her actions.
László was fired by Hungarian nationalist television channel N1TV after video of the incident was posted on Twitter by Stephan Richter, a reporter for the German television channel RTL.
N1TV – which has links to the far-right Jobbik party – said her behaviour was “unacceptable” and her job had been terminated “with immediate effect”.
On Thursday, Hungarian prosecutors said a criminal case for breach of the peace had been opened against her. Sandor Toro, the deputy chief prosecutor of Csongrád county, said: “In the course of the investigation, the authorities will also examine if more serious crimes … can be established.”
Claire Phipps and Daniel Nolan
Frida 11 September 2015 10.43 BST
Were you the judge to rule this case which would your verdict be?
Thanks in advance!
"The Hungarian camera operator who was filmed kicking two refugee children and tripping up a man at the border hotspot of Röszke this week has apologised, saying “something snapped in me” and she cannot believe her actions.
László was fired by Hungarian nationalist television channel N1TV after video of the incident was posted on Twitter by Stephan Richter, a reporter for the German television channel RTL.
N1TV – which has links to the far-right Jobbik party – said her behaviour was “unacceptable” and her job had been terminated “with immediate effect”.
On Thursday, Hungarian prosecutors said a criminal case for breach of the peace had been opened against her. Sandor Toro, the deputy chief prosecutor of Csongrád county, said: “In the course of the investigation, the authorities will also examine if more serious crimes … can be established.”
Claire Phipps and Daniel Nolan
Frida 11 September 2015 10.43 BST
Were you the judge to rule this case which would your verdict be?
Thanks in advance!
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