Should we take these refugees? (172)
2intrigued: Hiya B
This proverb makes sense "Sweep first before your own door, before you sweep the doorsteps of your neighbors." Now if only the powers that be would see it that way...think we'd all be far better off.
Thank you for your compliment B.
This proverb makes sense "Sweep first before your own door, before you sweep the doorsteps of your neighbors." Now if only the powers that be would see it that way...think we'd all be far better off.
Thank you for your compliment B.
I like that. And you are always welcome.
Ccincy: langleygirl What bothers me the most is that our government doesn't even provide for our own people in the USA.
Obviously we have homeless people veterans included,jobless,people who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
When do we draw the line?
WE can't even cure our own problems here and we'll be trying provide a cure for someone else's.
All that is going to happen is that the refugees will just fall through the cracks just like the people in the USA do and will continue to do.
I venture to guess that every country has homeless people, no jobs etc. There is no perfect country but there can be imperfect people trying to do their best to help another.Obviously we have homeless people veterans included,jobless,people who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
When do we draw the line?
WE can't even cure our own problems here and we'll be trying provide a cure for someone else's.
All that is going to happen is that the refugees will just fall through the cracks just like the people in the USA do and will continue to do.
langleygirl: I venture to guess that every country has homeless people, no jobs etc. There is no perfect country but there can be imperfect people trying to do their best to help another.
I'm sure there are but we need to fix our own issues first before we even try to fix someone elses problem.
Not only that but who is going to screen the numbers of refugees who will enter this country and others?
lindsyjones: canadians starve and try to live on the streets. i'm weary of refugees being treated better than home grown canadians that need help NOW as well.
This is the point I wanted to give a bit of weight on your whole argument.
Indeed you have the right to seek balance and so am I.
Thank you again.
This is the point I wanted to give a bit of weight on your whole argument.
Indeed you have the right to seek balance and so am I.
Thank you again.
some poverty facts about canada
1 in 5 children in canada live in poverty.
40% of indigenous children live in poverty.
1 in 7 people (almost 5 million) live in poverty.
1 in 10 people can't afford to fill medical prescriptions.
1 in 8 families struggle to put food on the table.
as many as 1.3 million canadians have experienced homelessness over the past five years.
200,000 people are homeless each year.
folks with disabilities are twice as likely to live below the poverty line.
1 in 5 racialized families families live in poverty.
15% of elderly single folks live in poverty.
13% of canadians live in a state of food instability.
kidatheart: Is there an installation on Baffin Island?
"build it, they will come" (to a new field of dreams).
on a serious note,
i'm all for helping. i just want folks to do it with their eyes open, have a plan, and appreciate that it takes a lot more than money for successful integration.
and that can't happen till the folks who are already citizens are included.
it doesn't have to be an either or.
and this isn't going to go away.
and it's not limited to syria.
it going to require thinking as a global citizen me thinks, making some changes, and accepting life is not going to be the same.
With all the best intentions in the world, there are many countries that just cannot afford to take them in or supply the infrastructure to support them for the rest of there lives.
Hospitals, schools, accommodation ect doesn't come cheap and many countries cannot afford it for there own people.
What happens when these people come of pensionable age and have not paid into the system? The cost is going to be very high.
Perhaps, if and when things are sorted, it would be better for countries to help set up and rebuild the infrastructure, create work ect back in Syria and Iraq, encouraging the people to go back and get there country together.
Other countries have had to do it, so why not these countries?
In the long term it would be far more productive, help bring a nation back together again and be far cheaper for everyone involved.
But it needs to be done in a professional way, with controls, and refugees sent back to work in there own country.
Hospitals, schools, accommodation ect doesn't come cheap and many countries cannot afford it for there own people.
What happens when these people come of pensionable age and have not paid into the system? The cost is going to be very high.
Perhaps, if and when things are sorted, it would be better for countries to help set up and rebuild the infrastructure, create work ect back in Syria and Iraq, encouraging the people to go back and get there country together.
Other countries have had to do it, so why not these countries?
In the long term it would be far more productive, help bring a nation back together again and be far cheaper for everyone involved.
But it needs to be done in a professional way, with controls, and refugees sent back to work in there own country.
Why can't Muslim countries take them l won't take any more enough is enough these people try kill us and our freedom l only take Christian refugees
lindsyjones: That is a question which no one seem to be able to answer Love.
Now I can't for the life of me, understand why Saudi with all its wealth never attempt to contribute and in fact there was a video posted on my thread, "Germany, sympathetic to all Syrian Refugees" that they offer all the millions of dollars to build mosques in Europe but not take a single refugee?
Go figure.
Now I can't for the life of me, understand why Saudi with all its wealth never attempt to contribute and in fact there was a video posted on my thread, "Germany, sympathetic to all Syrian Refugees" that they offer all the millions of dollars to build mosques in Europe but not take a single refugee?
Go figure.
Your government should learn the mistakes and failures Germany's government made by naively and carelessly inviting all of refugees coming in to the country. They should have made tight screens and registrations to decide who can stay and who cannot. There was a case where a Syrian man registered in Germany with 17 different names, those were exclusive of other identity he had when he registered himself in Denmark and in Sweden as asylum-seekers
Vietnamese refugees, they are also many here. I prefer them staying here rather than the Turks or the Albanians, to be honest. In my opinion, Asian refugees can adapt the western cultural values very well, they wanted to learn the local language and they can speak the local language and they did not stir problems based on their faith's ideology. While the other one
you know it well. You have seen the video, One Nation Two Worlds.
because your country started all these wars :)
lindsyjones: Why we should or should not approve refugees spread all over the world.
I think, thanks to American politics, all neutral countries have to take 'your' refugees.
We're starting to get sick of it to be honest, if you can't finish it then don't start it.....we ain't your mop it up boys eg Korea, Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.
lreland12345: Why can't Muslim countries take them l won't take any more enough is enough these people try kill us and our freedom l only take Christian refugees
muslims countries are poor ,, only the gulf is rich and gulf dont want any of them cuz they are sucks and bad people ,,, the people who are killing you are ISIS ,,, they are not muslims ,, they are killing muslims more than any murder did ,,, we are peacfull
it sounds like you're having a mental of "I am entitled to..." instead of "I am having responsibility to..." :)
lreland12345: Why can't Muslim countries take them l won't take any more enough is enough these people try kill us and our freedom l only take Christian refugees
Because Arabs are a tad different than Persians, similar to Catholics and Protestants or Maori and Pakeha....why do you think, pray tell
kaetchenvonhn: it sounds like you're having a mental of "I am entitled to..." instead of "I am having responsibility to..." :)
That was for answering shadi on his previous comment:
because your country started all these wars :)
The basic answer is an emphatic NO, we haven't built our way's/culture etc to have someone or people to want our way of life to turn around and say that we should subscribe to their values least of all their way of life, if they don't subscribe or agree to our way of life then what's the point of coming here?
Answer is NO, if you don't like it then stay at home
Answer is NO, if you don't like it then stay at home
lreland12345: Why can't Muslim countries take them ? I won't take anymore. Enough is enough, these people try to kill us and our freedom. I only take Christian refugees.
There's no guaranty that there will be any Christians.
Ccincy: Does anyone have any figures on what it is going to cost if and when the Refugees do happen to come to the U.S.?
According to the Social Security Administration retirees etc won't be receiving a cost of living raise in 2016.
We have people who are still unemployed.Our vets are still homeless among others.Oh yes and there are people here in the U.S.A. who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
Anyone or anything else I'm forgetting?
WE can't provide for our own people but our Government will provide for refugees.Something is mighty wrong and I'm mad as heck.
According to the Social Security Administration retirees etc won't be receiving a cost of living raise in 2016.
We have people who are still unemployed.Our vets are still homeless among others.Oh yes and there are people here in the U.S.A. who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
Anyone or anything else I'm forgetting?
WE can't provide for our own people but our Government will provide for refugees.Something is mighty wrong and I'm mad as heck.
CC good morning. Boy it's so great to be alive. Anyways great questions and I hope some of us can dig the numbers.
sophiasummer: Lindsy no doubt some retort will follow, like a rugby ball in air,
that will hit the posts.
No one can give you an answer, for your intense spotlight of your war.
We can as people here just voice how we feel.
It may not be to your deepest feel.
Then some waiting for a lash back, sometimes of slamming a door.
We get it., we know.
We are also intrigued by your intensity.
I must write a poem.
Soph
that will hit the posts.
No one can give you an answer, for your intense spotlight of your war.
We can as people here just voice how we feel.
It may not be to your deepest feel.
Then some waiting for a lash back, sometimes of slamming a door.
We get it., we know.
We are also intrigued by your intensity.
I must write a poem.
Soph
My dear Sophie, please, have you read my latest?
Thanks for being here.
The intensity of US involvement is because it's part of check and balance but more so on wars against terrorism.
Having pointed out where they operate iz of course the target
I mistakenly posted this in another thread ...
The USA has been a great place to live.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
These words are on a plaque inside the Statue of Liberty given to the USA from the people of France!
Vive la France ... ... USA USA USA applause
it's not our fault this tragically doesn't always apply today for everyone...
The USA has been a great place to live.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
These words are on a plaque inside the Statue of Liberty given to the USA from the people of France!
Vive la France ... ... USA USA USA applause
it's not our fault this tragically doesn't always apply today for everyone...
Just got off the phone with a lady staff person at the White House and she told me that the USA has already been accepting Syria Refugees which are only Women and Children.So it's not like it's an all new thing that is happening.
It's a long long process and screening of them all.So they will not just be able to come over here without background checks and needablity.
This is one reason why I don't believe what the media reports.
I went right to the horses mouth so to speak.
It 's going to be interesting to see how it all pans out.
It's a long long process and screening of them all.So they will not just be able to come over here without background checks and needablity.
This is one reason why I don't believe what the media reports.
I went right to the horses mouth so to speak.
It 's going to be interesting to see how it all pans out.
I know we had about 250 already approved which took years to research CC but the new influx is now by 10,000.
The point is when we want to make sure that attacks don't happen, then lessen the possibility of them coming in. We don't undermine our charitable obligation to help them by putting them in a more contained place like Gen Mcafee said.
The point is when we want to make sure that attacks don't happen, then lessen the possibility of them coming in. We don't undermine our charitable obligation to help them by putting them in a more contained place like Gen Mcafee said.
String thanks, I will listen later. Going to attend a meeting.
Be right back.
Be right back.
Here's the link to the Background briefing on Refugee Screening and Admissions.
It's a long article.Just got off the phone with U.S. Senator Rob Portman who represents Cincinnati,Ohio
I'm also going to be looking into the website for Senate.com Committee.
Hopefully I can find some money figures too.
It's a long article.Just got off the phone with U.S. Senator Rob Portman who represents Cincinnati,Ohio
I'm also going to be looking into the website for Senate.com Committee.
Hopefully I can find some money figures too.
lindsyjones: 54 thanks for joining in and voicing your opinion.
We will send them back when the war is over. But all the refugees from Vietnam? The war is over and they are still here.
We will send them back when the war is over. But all the refugees from Vietnam? The war is over and they are still here.
we should not take them in cause Were stuggeling to try to keep our self up and all they wanna do is up us down and stomp up in the ground so I say send them back to were the hell they came from
lindsyjones: I know we had about 250 already approved which took years to research CC but the new influx is now by 10,000.
The point is when we want to make sure that attacks don't happen, then lessen the possibility of them coming in. We don't undermine our charitable obligation to help them by putting them in a more contained place like Gen Mcafee said.
The point is when we want to make sure that attacks don't happen, then lessen the possibility of them coming in. We don't undermine our charitable obligation to help them by putting them in a more contained place like Gen Mcafee said.
perhaps...
something to consider during all this fear mongering...
is that the bulk of attacks have NOT been by refugees.
and that's a fact.
just sayin'..........
jono7: perhaps...
something to consider during all this fear mongering...
is that the bulk of attacks have NOT been by refugees.
and that's a fact.
just sayin'..........
something to consider during all this fear mongering...
is that the bulk of attacks have NOT been by refugees.
and that's a fact.
just sayin'..........
jono It has been to me that our news media isn't helping with all this either.
Ccincy: jono It has been to me that our news media isn't helping with all this either.
hiya Ccincy
the media is doing what is does best....sell papers...
we're both old enuf to know better....
Ccincy: We welcomed everyone else into the U.S. why not the Refugees.
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I lost that earlier this year. I know what it is like to have no family and very few friends in the world, even less in town and I am not the kind to ask for help. So I have suffered, earlier this year I thought I might die, but I could not even say it out loud because I needed every last bit of confidence to drag my body back home and have been healing up ever since. If those refugees have a support system like me then they better be very strong and be careful who they accept as friends or that offer help. Sometimes we have to sacrifice something to gain another. And sometimes we have to stand strong. And sometimes we die far too much younger then we should.