Should we take these refugees? (172)

Nov 18, 2015 6:46 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
woodstock1: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.....ha........surely, you jest......




woodstock I was actually being flip.


grin
Nov 18, 2015 7:04 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
shadi1986: because your country started all these wars :)


I beg to disagree. Where do you want us to start? In 1991, Saddam Hussein killed a lot of people invading Kuwait for their oil. The only reason we came in was because of the unfair invasion. Helped Kuwait.

But it is true, G Bush chose to go to war against Iraq thinking it was holding a WMD as a response to the terrorist attack of 9/11.

Now here is the problem. Obama, who made an irresponsible decision of pulling completely the troops there and made it the haven for all the terrorist to build their stronghold. Now what are we to do?

In the name of the wars against terror, this war is going.

Of course there are many casualties involved but going back to your claim that we started it, I personally feel you are not right.
Nov 18, 2015 7:06 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
CC the document of those refugees to have come in was already approved but not in the number recently just approved. Now about only women and children, show me a document that proves that only women or children are coming, but this is not the point. The point is: We can have those refugees, just be very careful that non of them are coming in disguised as refugees. So far there are more states that reject the idea.
Nov 18, 2015 7:15 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
lindsyjones: CC the document of those refugees to have come in was already approved but not in the number recently just approved. Now about only women and children, show me a document that proves that only women or children are coming, but this is not the point. The point is: We can have those refugees, just be very careful that non of them are coming in disguised as refugees. So far there are more states that reject the idea.




I called the Whitehouse this morning and was told that only women and children had been already coming in.

I also contacted a US Senator here in Ohio as well as his Washington office but only got a answering machine.

As of now there are no exact numbers of any new refugees coming in.

I even looked on two webpages in trying to locate some amounts of money that the refugees will receive.

I also found out that it won't make a difference what the governors want or don't want our political figures will have full say.

I just got into this morning.

I also don't wish to provide wacky information that I can't prove.
Nov 18, 2015 8:09 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
This is not about providing information that is not provable, it is about discussing whether we should take in these refugees and it is nice to get the information directly from the source which is what is going to be proven. In the end, whether we like it or not if that is the case then it is. Meantime, there are so many different ideas as to how best can we serve these refugees and at the same time we can make ourselves safe.

For all I know there are so many who are crossing the borders that might even be terrorist as we speak but it is our government's responsibility to control that.
Nov 18, 2015 8:32 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
lindsy We can discuss this till the cows comes home so to speak and It won't matter a hill of beans what we the citizens think about the whole situation because our government is obviously going to have the final say anyway.
Nov 18, 2015 8:38 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
Ccincy: I called the Whitehouse this morning and was told that only women and children had been already coming in.

I also contacted a US Senator here in Ohio as well as his Washington office but only got a answering machine.

As of now there are no exact numbers of any new refugees coming in.

I even looked on two webpages in trying to locate some amounts of money that the refugees will receive.

I also found out that it won't make a difference what the governors want or don't want our political figures will have full say.

I just got into this morning.

I also don't wish to provide wacky information that I can't prove.



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Nov 18, 2015 8:43 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
kert71
kert71kert71charleston, South Carolina USA7 Posts
not at this time we need to get a little better in our security --then talk about it later
Nov 18, 2015 8:51 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
I'm not sure if I want to live next door to someone who believes in the Koran. Muhammad was a cold blooded killer who got the job done personally and by ordering subordinates to whack his opponents.

Islam, to my understanding, mandates that non allah believers be eliminated by ALL Koran believers .... purged from the face of the earth. Although it appears only radical Muslims are willing to be like Mohammed . What a contrast we have between Jesus and Mohammed.

Jesus spoke about Love and everyone feared him so much that they put him to death by crucifixion. Few allah believers feared Mohammed but he appears to be a hater if he really went around murdering people or ordering others to murder for him.... which translates into what I think these terrorist are now doing today.
Nov 18, 2015 8:59 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
galrads: I'm not sure if I want to live next door to someone who believes in the Koran. Muhammad was a cold blooded killer who got the job done personally and by ordering subordinates to whack his opponents.

Islam, to my understanding, mandates that non allah believers be eliminated by ALL Koran believers .... purged from the face of the earth. Although it appears only radical Muslims are willing to be like Mohammed . What a contrast we have between Jesus and Mohammed.

Jesus spoke about Love and everyone feared him so much that they put him to death by crucifixion. Few allah believers feared Mohammed but he appears to be a hater if he really went around murdering people or ordering others to murder for him.... which translates into what I think these terrorist are now doing today.



I think we could and need to help the thousands of our homeless veterans and give social security recipients a cost of living adjustment in their monthly benefits this year first before we start to think about taking on the cost and security risks to take on these refugees who can be Trajan horses here.
Nov 18, 2015 9:02 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
galrads: I'm not sure if I want to live next door to someone who believes in the Koran. Muhammad was a cold blooded killer who got the job done personally and by ordering subordinates to whack his opponents.

Islam, to my understanding, mandates that non allah believers be eliminated by ALL Koran believers .... purged from the face of the earth. Although it appears only radical Muslims are willing to be like Mohammed . What a contrast we have between Jesus and Mohammed.

Jesus spoke about Love and everyone feared him so much that they put him to death by crucifixion. Few allah believers feared Mohammed but he appears to be a hater if he really went around murdering people or ordering others to murder for him.... which translates into what I think these terrorist are now doing today.


Jesus Loves, he knew that at his end, for all to remember that times will be atrocious.
Better to believe in a saviour of love, than a saviour of killing innocents.
Nov 18, 2015 9:02 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
kert71: not at this time we need to get a little better in our security --then talk about it later




kart as I posted up farther it doesn't really matter whether we want refugees or not they have already been coming in.As our government screens more and more will be coming in.

Within the link I posted earlier today dated November 17,2015 read that 2,500 Syrians that have been taken in recently were women,children ,those under 18.The article also mentioned about men who were military age too.

Half of the Syrians refugees to the U.S. have been children,a quarter are adults over 60.

There is more in the link I posted earlier today.You'll have to scroll up a few posts to find it.Or type in Background Briefing on Refugees Screening and Admissions in your search bar on your computer.
Nov 18, 2015 9:06 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
galrads: I think we could and need to help the thousands of our homeless veterans and give social security recipients a cost of living adjustment in their monthly benefits this year first before we start to think about taking on the cost and security risks to take on these refugees who can be Trajan horses here.


I read somewhere today that there are almost more radical Islam dudes in the world than there are legal residents in the whole 50 United States of America.
Nov 18, 2015 9:13 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
galrads: I read somewhere today that there are almost more radical Islam dudes in the world than there are legal residents in the whole 50 United States of America.



There probably are.


I also agree that we should first provide help for the thousands homeless vets and give social security recipients a cost of living adjustment but obviously thanks to our wonderful government that is obviously not going to happen.

I've spent most of the morning up until 5pm this evening trying to find the costs on what is being given to the refugees.

Guess I'll just have to continue with my phone search in the morning once my eyes are going the same way.giggle
Nov 18, 2015 9:16 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
sophiasummer: Jesus Loves, he knew that at his end, for all to remember that times will be atrocious.
Better to believe in a saviour of love, than a saviour of killing innocents.



Yeppers, and Allah and Yahweh are definitely not the same either..... wave
Nov 19, 2015 1:17 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
MJ, 1991... has anything changed sigh

Nov 19, 2015 10:23 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
serene56: MJ, 1991... has anything changed


Serene, what a beautiful reminder that we can all make this world a better place.

These killings got to stop
sad flower
Nov 19, 2015 10:25 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
galrads: Yeppers, and Allah and Yahweh are definitely not the same either.....


You maybe right. In the concept of God, as I'm taught would not allow killing in his name.
It's human s stupidity that causes all these.
Nov 19, 2015 10:49 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
Willow3939
Willow3939Willow3939Greer, South Carolina USA8 Threads 2 Polls 799 Posts
galrads: I think it makes sense, if they don't want to stay and fight for their rights at home, that they should be allowed to to settle in Eastern Europe so that their return journey home is easier, if nothing else.
They would probably be a very positive influence on economies in Greece, Portugal and Spain where the refugees should each be given 10 acres each, a home, two cars, food stamps, health care coverage and library cards.


I sincerely hope this was your idea of sarcasm.
Nov 19, 2015 10:52 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
Willow3939
Willow3939Willow3939Greer, South Carolina USA8 Threads 2 Polls 799 Posts
galrads: I think we could and need to help the thousands of our homeless veterans and give social security recipients a cost of living adjustment in their monthly benefits this year first before we start to think about taking on the cost and security risks to take on these refugees who can be Trajan horses here.


Agreed! When do we finally take responsibility for our own?
Nov 19, 2015 11:42 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy: kart as I posted up farther it doesn't really matter whether we want refugees or not they have already been coming in.As our government screens more and more will be coming in.

Within the link I posted earlier today dated November 17,2015 read that 2,500 Syrians that have been taken in recently were women,children ,those under 18.The article also mentioned about men who were military age too.

Half of the Syrians refugees to the U.S. have been children,a quarter are adults over 60.

There is more in the link I posted earlier today.You'll have to scroll up a few posts to find it.Or type in Background Briefing on Refugees Screening and Admissions in your search bar on your computer.


CC, children without parents? Or families in general.

Anyways, the videos uploaded in my thread about the migrants in Europe, supposedly refugees, showed more men. But the issue is must we, accept them?

if, like you said, there's nothing we can do, then we just have to wait when these people will be here hoping they won't truly terrorize us even more. sad flower
Nov 19, 2015 12:05 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
lindsyjones: CC, children without parents? Or families in general.

Anyways, the videos uploaded in my thread about the migrants in Europe, supposedly refugees, showed more men. But the issue is must we, accept them?

if, like you said, there's nothing we can do, then we just have to wait when these people will be here hoping they won't truly terrorize us even more.



I called US Senator Rob Portman's office number in Washington DC and who also represents Ohio and spoke to one of his staff who told me that he wants to see the briefing and screening that is being done improved from the way it's been handled so far.

Also here is some information to the article I posted yesterday where it shows the details of the Special Briefing via teleconference.

Half of the Syrian refugees brought to the U.S. so far have been children; a quarter are adults over 60. And I think you will have heard that only 2 percent are single males of combat age. So we – there’s slightly more – it’s roughly 50/50 men and women, slightly more men I would say, but not – not a lot more men. So this is normal that as you’re – as we set a priority of bringing the most vulnerable people, we’re going to have female-headed households with a lot of children, and we’re going to have extended families that are maybe missing the person who used to be the top breadwinner but have several generations – grandparents, a widowed mother, and children.
Nov 19, 2015 12:11 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Also lindsy I didn't get my info from watching a video or in the media I actually went to the horses mouths themselves so to speak.

Here is US Senator Rob Portman's phone numbers.

In Ohio-513-684-3265.Washington DC 202-224-3353
Nov 19, 2015 1:13 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
KarloradoFL
KarloradoFLKarloradoFLDeLeon Springs, Florida USA50 Threads 3 Polls 9,475 Posts
I would like to point out that the 2 brothers who carried out the Boston Marathon Bombing were Chechyan refugees fleeing from Russian oppression.
Nov 19, 2015 1:56 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy: Also lindsy I didn't get my info from watching a video or in the media I actually went to the horses mouths themselves so to speak.

Here is US Senator Rob Portman's phone numbers.

In Ohio-513-684-3265.Washington DC 202-224-3353


CC thanks for your efforts. I'm not questioning the credibility of your information. Not at all. But that doesn't make us express our positions as to how best can we serve our protection without undermining the refugees need.
Nov 19, 2015 1:58 PM CST Should we take these refugees?
KarloradoFL: I would like to point out that the 2 brothers who carried out the Boston Marathon Bombing were Chechyan refugees fleeing from Russian oppression.


Karlo. Thanks. I'll get back with you all.
Nov 20, 2015 5:40 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
kaetchenvonhn
kaetchenvonhnkaetchenvonhnNeckarsulm, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany452 Posts


But relax: Obama says the refugees are no more threatening than tourists.

“Report: al Qaeda Terrorists Entered United States Through Refugee Program,” by Ali Meyer, Washington Free Beacon, November 18, 2015:

Two al Qaeda terrorists who had killed American soldiers were able to enter the country as refugees, according to a report released Wednesday from the House Homeland Security committee.

Waad Ramadan Alwan and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, two Iraqi refugees settled in Bowling Green, Kentucky, after killing American soldiers, whom they bragged about having “for lunch and dinner.” In 2010, they were caught handling weapons, including included a machine gun and a missile launcher, that they planned to smuggle to insurgents in Iraq.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if there were many more than that,” said Rep. Michael McCaul (R., Texas), the chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security. “And these are trained terrorists in the art of bombmaking that are inside the United States; and quite frankly, from a homeland security perspective, that really concerns me.”

The committee’s report found that the administration’s refugee resettlement program proposal will have “a limited impact on alleviating the overall crisis but could have serious ramifications for U.S. homeland security.”

Jeh Johnson, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, admitted in October at a hearing before the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee that organizations such as the Islamic State might attempt to exploit the Syrian refugee resettlement program.

“It is true that we are not going to know a whole lot about the Syrians that come forth in this process,” he said.

President Obama’s refugee resettlement program is now under scrutiny after deadly terrorist attacks in Paris killed more than 120 people and left more than 300 injured on Friday. It is suspected that one of the terrorists entered the country as a refugee.

In addition to these attacks, men in Minnesota were apprehended by the feds for trying to join the Islamic State. There is growing concern that the state would be a recruiting ground for the Islamic State because of its large community of Somali refugees.

The report was released after a nearly year-long investigation evaluating challenges with allowing Syrian refugee flows into the United States.

Governors from many states are now refusing to allow Syrian refugees to resettle in their states.

“Given the tragic attacks in Paris and the threats we have already seen, Texas cannot participate in any program that will result in Syrian refugees—any one of whom could be connected to terrorism—being resettled in Texas,” said Gov. Greg Abbott.

“There is an undeniable connection between our refugee resettlement program and the increased risk of a terror attack within the United States,” said Jessica Vaughan, an immigration expert at the Center for Immigration Studies.

“There have been roughly 70 terrorist plots in the United States since 9/11 and scores of young people who are first or second generation refugees and immigrants who have become involved in some way with Islamist jihadists, either by undertaking attacks here or traveling overseas to join a terrorist group, or both,” she said….
Nov 20, 2015 8:20 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Willow3939: I sincerely hope this was your idea of sarcasm.


yes, bad attempt at it maybe ..... .dunno
Nov 20, 2015 8:58 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Has anyone read the bill that was voted on by Congress H.R.4038?

The bill requires the nations top security officals -the Secretary of Homeland Security,the Director of National FBI,Director of National Intelligence to certify before admitting Syrian or Iraq refugee in the US that the individual don't don't represent a security threat.

2,174 Syrian refugees admitted to the US since Sept 11,2001.

Oct 2015 admitted 187 Syrian refugees into the US at the pace,the US would admit about 2,200 refugees during fiscal year 2016 far from fewer than 10,000 the Obama admitted he said he wanted.
Nov 20, 2015 9:44 AM CST Should we take these refugees?
CC, there's a very strong debate about the supreme justice, FBI director, all the candidates and it points to questioning Obama's decision of admitting that number.

In the end, it's a matter of our safety first and hopefully it will not lead to a more serious attacks anywhere.
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