Should we take these refugees? (172)
I don't agree with bringing in any refugees to Canada, period, we have enough to deal with as it is. If some Canadians want to individually sponsor people to come live with them, that's up to them, but they should be held responsible for them, completely.
There are a few places in Saudi Arabia that could house them, and I'm sure that other countries have room as well, closer to home. This whole "feel good" BS has to end, the reality is, we can't afford it. It's better to spend the money to help them where they are, or offer assistance in a way where it matters, in their home country.
There are a few places in Saudi Arabia that could house them, and I'm sure that other countries have room as well, closer to home. This whole "feel good" BS has to end, the reality is, we can't afford it. It's better to spend the money to help them where they are, or offer assistance in a way where it matters, in their home country.
I do for emphasis, like that of the treatment of the citizens versus these refugees, that definitely, to me needs emphasis. If it bothers you, I apologize but passion in expressing these points are very well needed to be understood. I am stirring the pot for understanding. I am not sure if it does give credibility in seriousness or not but so far the elements of ideas shared on in here are to me, very serious.
Now on your input, I am so touched about the things that I am so ignorant about in details.
I am not concerned of the numbers of refugees still on here, to tell you the truth but the point of Gen. Macafee is that for easy return to their country once the war is over.
If part of the acceptance of these refugees to live here forever, I have no qualms about that as long as it is part of a very specific plan in order to prepare us for long term effect.
Now on your input, I am so touched about the things that I am so ignorant about in details.
I am not concerned of the numbers of refugees still on here, to tell you the truth but the point of Gen. Macafee is that for easy return to their country once the war is over.
If part of the acceptance of these refugees to live here forever, I have no qualms about that as long as it is part of a very specific plan in order to prepare us for long term effect.
kidatheart: I don't agree with bringing in any refugees to Canada, period, we have enough to deal with as it is. If some Canadians want to individually sponsor people to come live with them, that's up to them, but they should be held responsible for them, completely.
There are a few places in Saudi Arabia that could house them, and I'm sure that other countries have room as well, closer to home. This whole "feel good" BS has to end, the reality is, we can't afford it. It's better to spend the money to help them where they are, or offer assistance in a way where it matters, in their home country.
There are a few places in Saudi Arabia that could house them, and I'm sure that other countries have room as well, closer to home. This whole "feel good" BS has to end, the reality is, we can't afford it. It's better to spend the money to help them where they are, or offer assistance in a way where it matters, in their home country.
jono7: hiya lindysjones
i'm fine thank you, and you?
.....if you want serious discussion to take place.....
please stop highlighting to stir the pot, or create false sensationalism...this isn't a tabloid..and we aren't selling papers... (i'd like to hear your reason here for doing that?)as well, comparison with the vietnamese ( i assume you mean the boat folks? ) isn't really relevant as many things have changed. while i agree we can glean from that experience some of the things that work, and some that don't and use that to guide this.
as well...if you do your due diligence, you will discover that much of the cost was financed privately....folks simply don't have that kind of money anymore as the 'middle class' disappears into the have and the have nots. many of the vietnamese were sponsored by churches, temples and private groups.as for how many still live here, 40 years after the fall of saigon...
how would i know that?
i don't have the stats on the Orderly Departure Program.
number of vietnamese resettled in canada via ODP ...60,000
current vietnamese population in canada ...157,000?
but i think you're missing the main parts of my post intended to bring attention to the need for being clear that sponsorship is more than forking out the initial expense if one expects folks to assimilate and be happy here, and it takes more than money for it to be successful integration.
being compassionate and being stupid don't have to be the same thing.
i'm fine thank you, and you?
.....if you want serious discussion to take place.....
please stop highlighting to stir the pot, or create false sensationalism...this isn't a tabloid..and we aren't selling papers... (i'd like to hear your reason here for doing that?)as well, comparison with the vietnamese ( i assume you mean the boat folks? ) isn't really relevant as many things have changed. while i agree we can glean from that experience some of the things that work, and some that don't and use that to guide this.
as well...if you do your due diligence, you will discover that much of the cost was financed privately....folks simply don't have that kind of money anymore as the 'middle class' disappears into the have and the have nots. many of the vietnamese were sponsored by churches, temples and private groups.as for how many still live here, 40 years after the fall of saigon...
how would i know that?
i don't have the stats on the Orderly Departure Program.
number of vietnamese resettled in canada via ODP ...60,000
current vietnamese population in canada ...157,000?
but i think you're missing the main parts of my post intended to bring attention to the need for being clear that sponsorship is more than forking out the initial expense if one expects folks to assimilate and be happy here, and it takes more than money for it to be successful integration.
being compassionate and being stupid don't have to be the same thing.
Hey Jo
So true, but there are those that will argue that. Mind you, some people will argue about almost anything.
kidatheart: I don't agree with bringing in any refugees to Canada, period, we have enough to deal with as it is. If some Canadians want to individually sponsor people to come live with them, that's up to them, but they should be held responsible for them, completely.
There are a few places in Saudi Arabia that could house them, and I'm sure that other countries have room as well, closer to home. This whole "feel good" BS has to end, the reality is, we can't afford it. It's better to spend the money to help them where they are, or offer assistance in a way where it matters, in their home country.
There are a few places in Saudi Arabia that could house them, and I'm sure that other countries have room as well, closer to home. This whole "feel good" BS has to end, the reality is, we can't afford it. It's better to spend the money to help them where they are, or offer assistance in a way where it matters, in their home country.
but are ya sure....? .............
hiya kid 
Kid, I am sure that is shared by most of the governors in my country as a reflection of the rejection of that proposal and so far half of the union already did.
You are so right in presenting these reasonable and logical alternative. I am so amazed that Obama can't see the advantage of keeping the safety of our countries by lessening the chances of having these terrorists imported with them pretending they are refugees and at the same time, they are tended with the monies allotted for their needs. Like I said, we, in the US, already gave 4.1 billion specifically for their assistance. That is a lot of money to start. This is a global concern and all the countries must and should pitch in. My take.
You are so right in presenting these reasonable and logical alternative. I am so amazed that Obama can't see the advantage of keeping the safety of our countries by lessening the chances of having these terrorists imported with them pretending they are refugees and at the same time, they are tended with the monies allotted for their needs. Like I said, we, in the US, already gave 4.1 billion specifically for their assistance. That is a lot of money to start. This is a global concern and all the countries must and should pitch in. My take.
In fact when we do keep them close to home, it doesn't undermine our commitment to help them, nor will it make their life any worse while at the same time keeping up our safety as the top priority.
being compassionate and being stupid don't have to be the same thing.”
being compassionate and being stupid don't have to be the same thing.”
jono7: but are ya sure....? .............
hiya kid
hiya kid
Yes, I'm sure.
It matters very little what others may think of me for saying so, but we've had troubles with bringing in "refugees" in the past. I'm against it, it's better to help them resolve their issues at home, in whatever manner we can, as a nation generally regarded as peacekeepers.
kidatheart: Yes, I'm sure.
It matters very little what others may think of me for saying so, but we've had troubles with bringing in "refugees" in the past. I'm against it, it's better to help them resolve their issues at home, in whatever manner we can, as a nation generally regarded as peacekeepers.
It matters very little what others may think of me for saying so, but we've had troubles with bringing in "refugees" in the past. I'm against it, it's better to help them resolve their issues at home, in whatever manner we can, as a nation generally regarded as peacekeepers.
kidatheart: Yes, I'm sure.
It matters very little what others may think of me for saying so, but we've had troubles with bringing in "refugees" in the past. I'm against it, it's better to help them resolve their issues at home, in whatever manner we can, as a nation generally regarded as peacekeepers.
It matters very little what others may think of me for saying so, but we've had troubles with bringing in "refugees" in the past. I'm against it, it's better to help them resolve their issues at home, in whatever manner we can, as a nation generally regarded as peacekeepers.
i know you know i'm teasin' ya.
would an interim measure be to accept refugees on a temporary basis without landed immigrant stat...
we don't have time to build arcs..so would military bases work while homeland cleanup takes place somehow?
That is a question which no one seem to be able to answer Love.
Now I can't for the life of me, understand why Saudi with all its wealth never attempt to contribute and in fact there was a video posted on my thread, "Germany, sympathetic to all Syrian Refugees" that they offer all the millions of dollars to build mosques in Europe but not take a single refugee?
Go figure.
Now I can't for the life of me, understand why Saudi with all its wealth never attempt to contribute and in fact there was a video posted on my thread, "Germany, sympathetic to all Syrian Refugees" that they offer all the millions of dollars to build mosques in Europe but not take a single refugee?
Go figure.
Does anyone have any figures on what it is going to cost if and when the Refugees do happen to come to the U.S.?
According to the Social Security Administration retirees etc won't be receiving a cost of living raise in 2016.
We have people who are still unemployed.Our vets are still homeless among others.Oh yes and there are people here in the U.S.A. who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
Anyone or anything else I'm forgetting?
WE can't provide for our own people but our Government will provide for refugees.Something is mighty wrong and I'm mad as heck.
According to the Social Security Administration retirees etc won't be receiving a cost of living raise in 2016.
We have people who are still unemployed.Our vets are still homeless among others.Oh yes and there are people here in the U.S.A. who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
Anyone or anything else I'm forgetting?
WE can't provide for our own people but our Government will provide for refugees.Something is mighty wrong and I'm mad as heck.
jono7: i know you know i'm teasin' ya.
would an interim measure be to accept refugees on a temporary basis without landed immigrant stat...
we don't have time to build arcs..so would military bases work while homeland cleanup takes place somehow?
would an interim measure be to accept refugees on a temporary basis without landed immigrant stat...
we don't have time to build arcs..so would military bases work while homeland cleanup takes place somehow?
Is there an installation on Baffin Island?
Lindsy no doubt some retort will follow, like a rugby ball in air,
that will hit the posts.
No one can give you an answer, for your intense spotlight of your war.
We can as people here just voice how we feel.
It may not be to your deepest feel.
Then some waiting for a lash back, sometimes of slamming a door.
We get it., we know.
We are also intrigued by your intensity.
I must write a poem.
Soph
that will hit the posts.
No one can give you an answer, for your intense spotlight of your war.
We can as people here just voice how we feel.
It may not be to your deepest feel.
Then some waiting for a lash back, sometimes of slamming a door.
We get it., we know.
We are also intrigued by your intensity.
I must write a poem.
Soph
Ccincy: Does anyone have any figures on what it is going to cost if and when the Refugees do happen to come to the U.S.?
According to the Social Security Administration retirees etc won't be receiving a cost of living raise in 2016.
We have people who are still unemployed.Our vets are still homeless among others.Oh yes and there are people here in the U.S.A. who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
Anyone or anything else I'm forgetting?
WE can't provide for our own people but our Government will provide for refugees.Something is mighty wrong and I'm mad as heck.
According to the Social Security Administration retirees etc won't be receiving a cost of living raise in 2016.
We have people who are still unemployed.Our vets are still homeless among others.Oh yes and there are people here in the U.S.A. who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
Anyone or anything else I'm forgetting?
WE can't provide for our own people but our Government will provide for refugees.Something is mighty wrong and I'm mad as heck.
It makes no sense at all. I wonder if at least the people that are able would rise up against their oppressors. I know that here in the US we already have so many issues that we cant fix so how are we able to fix theirs>?? (Not directed at anyone in particular),, Also I think that as some expressed and I add that once the people are brought into any country they fall into the cracks and they are here forever.
Ccincy: Does anyone have any figures on what it is going to cost if and when the Refugees do happen to come to the U.S.?
According to the Social Security Administration retirees etc won't be receiving a cost of living raise in 2016.
We have people who are still unemployed.Our vets are still homeless among others.Oh yes and there are people here in the U.S.A. who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
Anyone or anything else I'm forgetting?
WE can't provide for our own people but our Government will provide for refugees.Something is mighty wrong and I'm mad as heck.
Same here in OZ. Government cares more for outsiders than its own people. They say if you don't like their policies you can show your displeasure at the ballot box.According to the Social Security Administration retirees etc won't be receiving a cost of living raise in 2016.
We have people who are still unemployed.Our vets are still homeless among others.Oh yes and there are people here in the U.S.A. who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
Anyone or anything else I'm forgetting?
WE can't provide for our own people but our Government will provide for refugees.Something is mighty wrong and I'm mad as heck.
Hah, what's the point? The other mob will do exactly the same so for the voters it's a no win situation. No matter which party is elected we, the voters, lose.
Also it was pointed out to me a certain trend which is, passing laws here in the USA to outlaw being Homeless. Punishments might be fines and/or then of course jail. Or, in some cases to remove from the city limits. I can speak for this area that we have a lot of homless people and they are only growing. We have to figure this one out before we just go pretend we can do it for others. So if the infrastructure of our own is repelling ( and has no idea how to help) our own, than what business does anyone in a official capacity have in bringing in more. I do not believe they do. Even this money that we have given to Syria Refugees, 4.5 Billion since 2011? Who got the money? It all seems like a magic show and things are disappearing but no one is clapping. As usual there is probably way more to this than meets the eye.
Geriatrix2: Same here in OZ. Government cares more for outsiders than its own people. They say if you don't like their policies you can show your displeasure at the ballot box.
Hah, what's the point? The other mob will do exactly the same so for the voters it's a no win situation. No matter which party is elected we, the voters, lose.
Hah, what's the point? The other mob will do exactly the same so for the voters it's a no win situation. No matter which party is elected we, the voters, lose.
Sadly, that is the case everywhere around the globe. Over the last two decades I've found myself voting for the ones I hope will do the least damage to my country. Sometimes it works out, more often it doesn't.
Geriatrix2: Same here in OZ. Government cares more for outsiders than its own people. They say if you don't like their policies you can show your displeasure at the ballot box.
Hah, what's the point? The other mob will do exactly the same so for the voters it's a no win situation. No matter which party is elected we, the voters, lose.
Hah, what's the point? The other mob will do exactly the same so for the voters it's a no win situation. No matter which party is elected we, the voters, lose.
Geriatrix2,I'm sure it's the same anywhere else.
I doubt if anyone country has a patent on having crooked political figures.
I've been saying all along that no matter which party gets in we lose every time.
Obama flapped his lips at all his campaigns that he was going to end both wars and bring all the troops home in 2015 but kept changing when.
He obviously had no intention of following through on what he claimed he was going to do.Obviously neither will the ones running for prez will follow through on what they say.We will get shafted all over again.
Track16: We need a new world
Be careful what you wish for.
Ccincy: Geriatrix2,I'm sure it's the same anywhere else.
I doubt if anyone country has a patent on having crooked political figures.
I've been saying all along that no matter which party gets in we lose every time.
Obama flapped his lips at all his campaigns that he was going to end both wars and bring all the troops home in 2015 but kept changing when.
He obviously had no intention of following through on what he claimed he was going to do.Obviously neither will the ones running for prez will follow through on what they say.We will get shafted all over again.
Correct, his motive is in total line with Islam and its global expansion...regardless how many muslims he kills...you got to break a few eggs to make an Omelet mentality, that is also inline with Mohamed's teachingsI doubt if anyone country has a patent on having crooked political figures.
I've been saying all along that no matter which party gets in we lose every time.
Obama flapped his lips at all his campaigns that he was going to end both wars and bring all the troops home in 2015 but kept changing when.
He obviously had no intention of following through on what he claimed he was going to do.Obviously neither will the ones running for prez will follow through on what they say.We will get shafted all over again.
Dragos1: I think it is. I think at one time there was some merit in being the rescue crew. But at this point in out timeline it is not realistic. People have really got to learn to live together in peace. I know that sounds impossible but we are overdrawn and supersaturated.
Hey ya gorgeous! ya look lovely today.
Hey ya gorgeous! ya look lovely today.
Hiya B
This proverb makes sense "Sweep first before your own door, before you sweep the doorsteps of your neighbors." Now if only the powers that be would see it that way...think we'd all be far better off.
Thank you for your compliment B.
2intrigued: Be careful what you wish for.
It couldn't be any worst than this one lol
Track16: It couldn't be any worst than this one lol
It could be far worse if there's ever an all out nuclear war.
Have to wonder at how many people have put themselves for a moment in the same situation that these people (aka the refugees) are enduring. If it was an immediate family member what then would be your response? I see a lot of let them suffer and work it out themselves ... sometimes everyone needs a helping hand.
2intrigued: It could be far worse if there's ever an all out nuclear war.
Its coming.
langleygirl: Have to wonder at how many people have put themselves for a moment in the same situation that these people (aka the refugees) are enduring. If it was an immediate family member what then would be your response? I see a lot of let them suffer and work it out themselves ... sometimes everyone needs a helping hand.
langleygirl What bothers me the most is that our government doesn't even provide for our own people in the USA.
Obviously we have homeless people veterans included,jobless,people who don't have decent insurance or none at all.
When do we draw the line?
WE can't even cure our own problems here and we'll be trying provide a cure for someone else's.
All that is going to happen is that the refugees will just fall through the cracks just like the people in the USA do and will continue to do.
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thank you as i know the popular answer 'round these parts' is that no one can say anything that's any thing less than walt disney regarding syrian refugees, so a bit nervous about my post, but i do stand behind it.
Your point is valid and honest Jo. Canadians tend to be too complacent with speaking out on issues like this and maybe it's time to change things. Will Justin Trudeau listen? Somehow I doubt it. The players in government changes but it's the same act over and over again. Round and round it goes eh?