Alcoholism ( Archived) (146)

Nov 13, 2019 2:34 AM CSTAlcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico, USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts

Alcoholism(Vote Below)

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Disease
17
52%
Irresponsible choices/bad decision making
16
48%
Total Votes
33
Has anyone been associated with someone who is an alcoholic? What are your thoughts?
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Nov 13, 2019 4:22 AM CST Alcoholism
tomcatty
tomcattytomcattyCoral Bay, Paphos, Paphos Cyprus368 Threads 6 Polls 6,885 Posts
A social drinker is someone who drinks that you like.

An alchoholic is someone who drinks that you don't likelaugh laugh
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Nov 13, 2019 4:25 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
tomcatty: A social drinker is someone who drinks that you like.

An alchoholic is someone who drinks that you don't like
True to some extentcheers grin
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Nov 13, 2019 4:43 AM CST Alcoholism
TheDino1
TheDino1TheDino1Belfast, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 1 Polls 5,029 Posts
Most people associate Alcoholism with street drinkers and the like, when in fact there are many functioning alcoholics cheers
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Nov 13, 2019 4:52 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
TheDino1: Most people associate Alcoholism with street drinkers and the like, when in fact there are many functioning alcoholics
This is true that some alcoholics are functional and sometimes you can't even tell that they are drunk.
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Nov 13, 2019 5:00 AM CST Alcoholism
TheDino1
TheDino1TheDino1Belfast, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 1 Polls 5,029 Posts
Friskyone: This is true that some alcoholics are functional and sometimes you can't even tell that they are drunk.
Yes, and most employers have now started mandatory Drugs/Alcohol testing, which makes it harder to hide.
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Nov 13, 2019 5:08 AM CST Alcoholism
It is a disease & is recognized as so.

In 1956 the American Medical Association (AMA) declared Addiction to alcohol and other drugs, to be a disease. Definitions include disorder of human functions with signs and symptoms not caused by physical injury.

Some state it qualifies by these criteria:
Primary: The illness exists in and of itself. (But may manifest in addition to other illnesses.)
Chronic: Does not go away, heal spontaneously or remit.
Progressive: Over time it gets worse.
Symptomatic: Can be diagnosed by the way it manifests in a person’s physiology, behavior and lifestyle.
Fatal: If left untreated will result in death.
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Nov 13, 2019 5:33 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
TheDino1: Yes, and most employers have now started mandatory Drugs/Alcohol testing, which makes it harder to hide.
I've heard of drug testing but not for alcohol.

People on probation sometimes gets tested for both.
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Nov 13, 2019 5:34 AM CST Alcoholism
TheDino1
TheDino1TheDino1Belfast, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 1 Polls 5,029 Posts
Friskyone: I've heard of drug testing but not for alcohol.

People on probation sometimes gets tested for both.
It is on most applications these days..
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Nov 13, 2019 5:36 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
TheDino1: It is on most applications these days..
Oh wow! I haven't applied for any jobs lately, didn't know.
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Nov 13, 2019 5:37 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
@Mrroscoe and Mollybaby



Maybe this can educate us?
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Nov 13, 2019 6:05 AM CST Alcoholism
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,230 Posts
Alcholism isn't the street drunk. It isn't your uncle or aunt who drinks too much at a party. It isn't someone who drinks to get attention.

Whether you call it a disease or a choice those who live with it reach out for "just one more" every day they live.

Their motto is......I'll stop tomorrow. Tomorrow comes.......I'll stop tomorrow.

They go to AA meetings. They stop going. They try AA again but the bottle always calls them back.

Until one day they can no longer drink because their heart stops beating.

My husband was an alcoholic to the day he died.

I also died June 17, 1975 when my husband, the best friend I ever had, was laid to rest sad
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Nov 13, 2019 6:08 AM CST Alcoholism
EXRED
EXREDEXREDNorthumberland, England UK6 Threads 1,659 Posts
I reckon it is a disease. Some people have addictive personalities. Some folk drink a lot, but are not alcoholics.
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Nov 13, 2019 6:09 AM CST Alcoholism
TheDino1
TheDino1TheDino1Belfast, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 1 Polls 5,029 Posts
secretagent09: Alcholism isn't the street drunk. It isn't your uncle or aunt who drinks too much at a party. It isn't someone who drinks to get attention.

Whether you call it a disease or a choice those who live with it reach out for "just one more" every day they live.

Their motto is......I'll stop tomorrow. Tomorrow comes.......I'll stop tomorrow.

They go to AA meetings. They stop going. They try AA again but the bottle always calls them back.

Until one day they can no longer drink because their heart stops beating.

My husband was an alcoholic to the day he died.

I also died June 17, 1975 when my husband, the best friend I ever had, was laid to rest
Sorry to hear that, it is a curse for those who suffer and those who suffer because a loved one has fallen victim.
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Nov 13, 2019 6:34 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
secretagent09: Alcholism isn't the street drunk. It isn't your uncle or aunt who drinks too much at a party. It isn't someone who drinks to get attention.

Whether you call it a disease or a choice those who live with it reach out for "just one more" every day they live.

Their motto is......I'll stop tomorrow. Tomorrow comes.......I'll stop tomorrow.

They go to AA meetings. They stop going. They try AA again but the bottle always calls them back.

Until one day they can no longer drink because their heart stops beating.

My husband was an alcoholic to the day he died.

I also died June 17, 1975 when my husband, the best friend I ever had, was laid to rest
I'm so sorry to hear thatsad flower hug
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Nov 13, 2019 6:36 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
EXRED: I reckon it is a disease. Some people have addictive personalities. Some folk drink a lot, but are not alcoholics.
I think it's a disease but I also agree that people who have addictive personalities, whether it be shopping, gambling, etc

I wonder if alcoholism is a genetic issue also?
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Nov 13, 2019 6:37 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
TheDino1: Sorry to hear that, it is a curse for those who suffer and those who suffer because a loved one has fallen victim.
I agree, very sad
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Nov 13, 2019 6:39 AM CST Alcoholism
TheDino1
TheDino1TheDino1Belfast, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 1 Polls 5,029 Posts
Friskyone: I agree, very sad
Yes it is so damaging to all..
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Nov 13, 2019 6:41 AM CST Alcoholism
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
In my family, someone married a guy that had an episode as an alcoholic (another one when he was younger). When he got warnings at work (and the wife) he booked himself into a fancy rehab, got sober and stayed sober so far.

Maybe some people are more prone to it, but it is possible to stop drinking/using if the person themselves wants it.

I never even tried drugs, take only necessary medication and would read instructions on medication (or listen to a doctor telling me to not take something) and rarely drink - it doesn't tempt me.

I do get it that it is different for other people, but I think that it is something that can be kept away from if someone really wants.

Look at type II diabetics - if you change your life and eat/drink/live a certain way, you can avoid getting it. If there isn't enough willpower, people can choose to go on medication, but even that isn't enough if some habits aren't changed as far as I'm aware off.
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Nov 13, 2019 6:42 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
TheDino1: Yes it is so damaging to all..
It's a difficult situation to deal with from day to day and even worse for children involved. Walking around on egg shells daily, worrying about their health, sometimes drunk driving worries, etc
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Nov 13, 2019 6:44 AM CST Alcoholism
methuzelah
methuzelahmethuzelahTampa, Florida USA296 Threads 1,633 Posts
I voted for the 2nd option but,

could be either one
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Nov 13, 2019 6:45 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
KNenagh: In my family, someone married a guy that had an episode as an alcoholic (another one when he was younger). When he got warnings at work (and the wife) he booked himself into a fancy rehab, got sober and stayed sober so far.

Maybe some people are more prone to it, but it is possible to stop drinking/using if the person themselves wants it.

I never even tried drugs, take only necessary medication and would read instructions on medication (or listen to a doctor telling me to not take something) and rarely drink - it doesn't tempt me.

I do get it that it is different for other people, but I think that it is something that can be kept away from if someone really wants.

Look at type II diabetics - if you change your life and eat/drink/live a certain way, you can avoid getting it. If there isn't enough willpower, people can choose to go on medication, but even that isn't enough if some habits aren't changed as far as I'm aware off.
And no one can force the individual to get help, THEY themselves must be ready.
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Nov 13, 2019 6:46 AM CST Alcoholism
TheDino1
TheDino1TheDino1Belfast, Antrim Ireland139 Threads 1 Polls 5,029 Posts
So destructive to all, not just the alcoholic..
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Nov 13, 2019 6:47 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
TheDino1: So destructive to all, not just the alcoholic..
Absolutely
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Nov 13, 2019 6:51 AM CST Alcoholism
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
Friskyone: And no one can force the individual to get help, THEY themselves must be ready.
Yes, it's hard to watch but I don't think it works putting someone into a program if they don't decide to join it themselves.
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Nov 13, 2019 6:51 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
KNenagh: Yes, it's hard to watch but I don't think it works putting someone into a program if they don't decide to join it themselves.
I agree with that.
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Nov 13, 2019 7:18 AM CST Alcoholism
No one ever starts out with the intention of becoming an alcoholic, that develops with time. Through my own experiences I understand easy how it can happen and how hard it can be to break.

It is a disease that slowly creeps up and next thing you know, your life is ruled by the bottle.
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Nov 13, 2019 7:43 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone: @Mrroscoe and Mollybaby



Maybe this can educate us?
I spent 15 years in a 12 Step Recovery Program. ( I haven't been recently). I have been sober 16 years.

I was taught & believe that we can recover from alcoholism, but are never " curred" of it.

I was also taught that, once someone is an alcoholic, that person can never again drink in safety.

The Big Book, Alcoholics Anonymous, is a great source for anyone who is interested in Alcoholism.

Sidebar: AA does NOT claim it is the only way one can recover from this disease.
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Nov 13, 2019 7:44 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
Track16: No one ever starts out with the intention of becoming an alcoholic, that develops with time. Through my own experiences I understand easy how it can happen and how hard it can be to break.

It is a disease that slowly creeps up and next thing you know, your life is ruled by the bottle.
I agree
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Nov 13, 2019 7:46 AM CST Alcoholism
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
Mrroscoe03: I spent 15 years in a 12 Step Recovery Program. ( I haven't been recently). I have been sober 16 years.

I was taught & believe that we can recover from alcoholism, but are never " curred" of it.

I was also taught that, once someone is an alcoholic, that person can never again drink in safety.

The Big Book, Alcoholics Anonymous, is a great source for anyone who is interested in Alcoholism.

Sidebar: AA does NOT claim it is the only way one can recover from this disease.
Congrats on your achievement. Happy for you.yay
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Nov 13, 2019 8:10 AM CST Alcoholism
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,230 Posts
Track16: No one ever starts out with the intention of becoming an alcoholic, that develops with time. Through my own experiences I understand easy how it can happen and how hard it can be to break.

It is a disease that slowly creeps up and next thing you know, your life is ruled by the bottle.


And that's how it becomes the monkey on an alcoholics back.

Some of you think a person can make the choice to stop drinking. You are correct. They can make the choice and they will decide to go to AA meetings but the only way AA works is if they want to be at that meeting. Some are strong enough to go cold turkey but most alcoholics need a sponsor they can call when they are tempted to take a drink.

A lot of you are giving opinions. I mean no disrespect but if you haven't lived with an alcoholic then you are just guessing. If you haven't experienced what it does to the individual and the family you are just guessing.

The family of an alcoholic lives in fear of what will happen when he walks through the door. My husband put me down on the floor and shoved a shot gun in my face. I knew our daughter and I were in danger and that I had to plan our escape. I left him for the fourth time. I had left him three other times and he always promised that he would stop drinking if I went back to him. That promise was made when he wasn't sober and I fell for it because I wanted to save our family.

Alcoholics are just people like you and I. Most are good people. When my husband didn't drink he was a good man, a kind man who loved his daughter and me.

When you take prescribed medication it changes the mechanics of your brain. So does alcohol. Some become mellow. Some become another person you don't recognize.

Whether it's AA, rehab or going cold turkey, the alcoholic deserves a second chance.

Those who look down on an alcoholic have never walked in the alcoholic's shoes.
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