Do you believe in the death penalty? (317)

Aug 1, 2009 11:27 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Big_John
Big_JohnBig_JohnOcean Springs, Mississippi USA19 Threads 9,767 Posts
Trealach: It's interesting how Civilised Countries don't have the death penalty ....... so much for US 'democracy' ...right!!


If being civilized is allowing these horrible monsters to live, then I am happy to live in a non-civilized world.
Aug 1, 2009 11:27 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
velvetUG
velvetUGvelvetUGmelbourne, Victoria Australia9 Threads 1 Polls 763 Posts
Trealach: It's interesting how Civilised Countries don't have the death penalty ....... so much for US 'democracy' ...right!!


oh come on.......low blowroll eyes
Aug 1, 2009 11:30 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Trealach
TrealachTrealachCork, Ireland1 Threads 137 Posts
Big_John: If being civilized is allowing these horrible monsters to live, then I am happy to live in a non-civilized world.


You do not live in a "non-civilised world" - you do unfortunately live in a 'non-civilised country' ........ don't bunch the rest of us in with you.
Aug 1, 2009 11:31 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Trealach
TrealachTrealachCork, Ireland1 Threads 137 Posts
velvetUG: oh come on.......low blow


That's a matter of opinion - but Truth always has a habit of finding its target - high or low.
Aug 1, 2009 11:32 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
velvetUG
velvetUGvelvetUGmelbourne, Victoria Australia9 Threads 1 Polls 763 Posts
Zeelander: There is a simple answer to this..... "Oops"NEXT



woohooo found another linkapplause

Aug 1, 2009 11:32 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
Trealach: You do not live in a "non-civilised world" - you do unfortunately live in a 'non-civilised country' ........ don't bunch the rest of us in with you.


Finally, someone understands us.... wooo hooo.thumbs up
Aug 1, 2009 11:33 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts



Same answer.... "Oops" NEXT
Aug 1, 2009 11:35 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Big_John
Big_JohnBig_JohnOcean Springs, Mississippi USA19 Threads 9,767 Posts
Trealach: You do not live in a "non-civilised world" - you do unfortunately live in a 'non-civilised country' ........ don't bunch the rest of us in with you.


Again, I am totally happy with it. I can go to bed at night and sleep well. The world you live in is the same world I wake up in.
Aug 1, 2009 11:37 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
kathy12345
kathy12345kathy12345Hernando, Florida USA1 Threads 137 Posts
Yes I do.....glad to see your ok
Aug 1, 2009 11:37 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Trealach
TrealachTrealachCork, Ireland1 Threads 137 Posts



"...... However, at Fields' retrial, Judge Vincent Gaughan found Hawkins "incredible," saying that "If someone has such disregard for human life, what regard will he have for his oath?" ....."


Perhaps, the Judiciary should consider their position too, with regard to their Oath.
Aug 1, 2009 11:37 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
cameraman
cameramancameramanSt. Petersburg, Florida USA29 Threads 19 Polls 2,501 Posts
velvetUG: god i hate quoting wiki, but i'm to tired to find my glasses and proper resources



laugh I agree, wiki sucks conversing but it seems to be a good place to start

Also, the articles are about possible evidence of innocence while none have been proven in court conversing I'm not saying it has not happened, but that it has not been proven to happen.

Even if it was proven to happen, it will only effect cold case murder files, not those who were caught commiting murder conversing So the death penalty will still be enforced against recent crimes not older crimes
Aug 1, 2009 11:46 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
velvetUG
velvetUGvelvetUGmelbourne, Victoria Australia9 Threads 1 Polls 763 Posts
Trealach: "...... However, at Fields' retrial, Judge Vincent Gaughan found Hawkins "incredible," saying that "If someone has such disregard for human life, what regard will he have for his oath?" ....."Perhaps, the Judiciary should consider their position too, with regard to their Oath.


thumbs up mumbling
Aug 1, 2009 11:51 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
velvetUG: but it doesnt thos does it?






Because they dont kill them on site!!!! Thats when it would stop, unless your Family was Gunned down as mine was , you will never agree..... When YOU go to the morgue to see your family , Then you will think differently.....uh oh uh oh uh oh moping
Aug 1, 2009 11:55 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts
Zeelander: Are you sure you aren't a republican?


Positive, Zee. I run my own little party called "common sense." laugh
Aug 1, 2009 12:03 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts
Trealach: It's interesting how Civilised Countries don't have the death penalty ....... so much for US 'democracy' ...right!!


I hope you're not refering to Europe because if that were the case, I could compose a list a foot long outlining just how "civilized" Europe has been and still is, starting with their involvement in the financial crisis down to exploiting African oceanic resources, without regard to the effects on life, human and otherwise.
Aug 1, 2009 12:08 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Scubadiva: Positive, Zee. I run my own little party called "common sense."



I had one of those one time, and it got awayuh oh uh oh uh oh doh





tongue tongue rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing blushing
Aug 1, 2009 12:31 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
woodzchick
woodzchickwoodzchickCallands, Virginia USA38 Threads 1 Polls 2,006 Posts
I'm presently a criminal justice student and I have found a lot of interesting information on this topic while doing research for papers. There are many factors that have to be taken into consideration. First of all, the death penalty is not vengeance, it's a punishment that suits the crime. There are some people in this world that are simple evil. There is no hope for them. I don't care how much rehabilitation you provide for them, they will kill or hurt someone if given the chance. Call it emotionally ill if it sounds better, but it is what it is. You have to take into consideration how much it cost to house an inmate daily and how crowded our prisons are at this time. The U.S. has a big problem in the area. Once our prisons are so full, the system begins releasing inmates so that their constitutional rights are not violated. This includes releasing violent inmates on mandatory release possibly without supervision. Most of these criminals that are released go right back out and commit more crimes. To sum it up, yes I do believe in the death penalty. In fact, for a lot of these criminals I don't believe in wasting our electricity or gas. A rope from a tree will do just fine. I encourage everybody to read more about our prison systems and issues that they're up against.
Aug 1, 2009 1:24 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
cameraman
cameramancameramanSt. Petersburg, Florida USA29 Threads 19 Polls 2,501 Posts
woodzchick: I'm presently a criminal justice student and I have found a lot of interesting information on this topic while doing research for papers. There are many factors that have to be taken into consideration. First of all, the death penalty is not vengeance, it's a punishment that suits the crime. There are some people in this world that are simple evil. There is no hope for them. I don't care how much rehabilitation you provide for them, they will kill or hurt someone if given the chance. Call it emotionally ill if it sounds better, but it is what it is. You have to take into consideration how much it cost to house an inmate daily and how crowded our prisons are at this time. The U.S. has a big problem in the area. Once our prisons are so full, the system begins releasing inmates so that their constitutional rights are not violated. This includes releasing violent inmates on mandatory release possibly without supervision. Most of these criminals that are released go right back out and commit more crimes. To sum it up, yes I do believe in the death penalty. In fact, for a lot of these criminals I don't believe in wasting our electricity or gas. A rope from a tree will do just fine. I encourage everybody to read more about our prison systems and issues that they're up against.


thumbs up Except, I thought the death penalty was for those on death row who can never get paroled?
Aug 1, 2009 1:30 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
I'm presently a criminal justice student and I have found a lot of interesting information on this topic while doing research for papers. There are many factors that have to be taken into consideration. First of all, the death penalty is not vengeance, it's a punishment that suits the crime. There are some people in this world that are simple evil. There is no hope for them. I don't care how much rehabilitation you provide for them, they will kill or hurt someone if given the chance. Call it emotionally ill if it sounds better, but it is what it is. You have to take into consideration how much it cost to house an inmate daily and how crowded our prisons are at this time. The U.S. has a big problem in the area. Once our prisons are so full, the system begins releasing inmates so that their constitutional rights are not violated. This includes releasing violent inmates on mandatory release possibly without supervision. Most of these criminals that are released go right back out and commit more crimes. To sum it up, yes I do believe in the death penalty. In fact, for a lot of these criminals I don't believe in wasting our electricity or gas. A rope from a tree will do just fine. I encourage everybody to read more about our prison systems and issues that they're up against.[/quote
Aug 1, 2009 1:31 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
jessejess47: I'm presently a criminal justice student and I have found a lot of interesting information on this topic while doing research for papers. There are many factors that have to be taken into consideration. First of all, the death penalty is not vengeance, it's a punishment that suits the crime. There are some people in this world that are simple evil. There is no hope for them. I don't care how much rehabilitation you provide for them, they will kill or hurt someone if given the chance. Call it emotionally ill if it sounds better, but it is what it is. You have to take into consideration how much it cost to house an inmate daily and how crowded our prisons are at this time. The U.S. has a big problem in the area. Once our prisons are so full, the system begins releasing inmates so that their constitutional rights are not violated. This includes releasing violent inmates on mandatory release possibly without supervision. Most of these criminals that are released go right back out and commit more crimes. To sum it up, yes I do believe in the death penalty. In fact, for a lot of these criminals I don't believe in wasting our electricity or gas. A rope from a tree will do just fine. I encourage everybody to read more about our prison systems and issues that they're up against.[/quote
oops wrong button laugh doh
Aug 1, 2009 2:11 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Guyfromdenmark
GuyfromdenmarkGuyfromdenmarkReykjavik, Capital Region Iceland24 Posts
woodzchick: I'm presently a criminal justice student and I have found a lot of interesting information on this topic while doing research for papers. There are many factors that have to be taken into consideration. First of all, the death penalty is not vengeance, it's a punishment that suits the crime. There are some people in this world that are simple evil. There is no hope for them. I don't care how much rehabilitation you provide for them, they will kill or hurt someone if given the chance. Call it emotionally ill if it sounds better, but it is what it is. You have to take into consideration how much it cost to house an inmate daily and how crowded our prisons are at this time. The U.S. has a big problem in the area. Once our prisons are so full, the system begins releasing inmates so that their constitutional rights are not violated. This includes releasing violent inmates on mandatory release possibly without supervision. Most of these criminals that are released go right back out and commit more crimes. To sum it up, yes I do believe in the death penalty. In fact, for a lot of these criminals I don't believe in wasting our electricity or gas. A rope from a tree will do just fine. I encourage everybody to read more about our prison systems and issues that they're up against.


There are a lot of angles to this issue.

First of all, can we move away from the whole "there are some people who are just evil"?. For an academic, as you claim to be, that's a pretty simplistic view of people. If what you're trying to describe is people with mental illness, then we might as well shift this discussion entirely, because there is an inherent difference between a cold and calculated crime and a person acting because they are mentally ill.

Secondly, the death penalty is not the cure for crowded prisons. Dealing with legislation like "three-strikes", putting more focus on preventing crime and better ability to council former inmates are other solutions that other countries employ successfully. Yes, there are certainly people who go out and do crime, but to delve into this we'd have to start talking about a lot more factors than "evil". Poverty, lack of options and a host of other factors contribute here, and using the death penalty to deal with repeat offenders is a product of not being even remmotely competent enough to tackle this issue.

A rope from a tree? I'd put you one step below those stadium hangings in rural Iran and Afghanistan.
Aug 1, 2009 2:12 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts
HotrodLarrys: I had one of those one time, and it got away


laugh hey, you can always join mine wink
Aug 1, 2009 2:30 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
Scubadiva: Positive, Zee. I run my own little party called "common sense."


The Common Sense Party?.... I would have to say that you could have as many as.... hmmmm..... let me add this up..... I would have to say about 7 members World wide?.... common sense isn't so common and nonexistent here.

grin
Aug 1, 2009 2:31 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
kissmedeeply
kissmedeeplykissmedeeplyPetitcodiac, New Brunswick Canada70 Threads 15,139 Posts
gingerb: Killing the perpetrator of a murder does not bring the victim back, nor does it ease the bereavement process of the family members of the victim.

Justice, in my book, does not include becoming a killer myself even by proxy........
thumbs up
Aug 1, 2009 2:40 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
i can only say that let's uphold the law of the land without any prejudice and vindication.
Aug 1, 2009 2:43 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
Guyfromdenmark: There are a lot of angles to this issue.

First of all, can we move away from the whole "there are some people who are just evil"?. For an academic, as you claim to be, that's a pretty simplistic view of people. If what you're trying to describe is people with mental illness, then we might as well shift this discussion entirely, because there is an inherent difference between a cold and calculated crime and a person acting because they are mentally ill.

Secondly, the death penalty is not the cure for crowded prisons. Dealing with legislation like "three-strikes", putting more focus on preventing crime and better ability to council former inmates are other solutions that other countries employ successfully. Yes, there are certainly people who go out and do crime, but to delve into this we'd have to start talking about a lot more factors than "evil". Poverty, lack of options and a host of other factors contribute here, and using the death penalty to deal with repeat offenders is a product of not being even remmotely competent enough to tackle this issue.

A rope from a tree? I'd put you one step below those stadium hangings in rural Iran and Afghanistan.


The death penalty is a cure for over crowded prisons... it make room by putting them in the ground rather than a jail cell, plus they won't be escaping from the ground.

Preventing crime has never prevented crime. Since day one the government has tried to prevent crime... has crime stopped?

Counseling doesn't put food on the table or drugs in a persons system for a lot of inmate.... but crime does.

There are a lot of Benefits to committing major crime. You get a home, three meals a day, free education, no taxes, free membership to a gym, free cable TV and the list is endless. I would consider pushing my kids into a life of crime so I don't have to pay for college and after they serve their 3 to 5 and parole, they could have a wonderful life making a load of money in Europe.
Aug 1, 2009 2:49 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
Zeelander: The death penalty is a cure for over crowded prisons... it make room by putting them in the ground rather than a jail cell, plus they won't be escaping from the ground.

Preventing crime has never prevented crime. Since day one the government has tried to prevent crime... has crime stopped?

Counseling doesn't put food on the table or drugs in a persons system for a lot of inmate.... but crime does.

There are a lot of Benefits to committing major crime. You get a home, three meals a day, free education, no taxes, free membership to a gym, free cable TV and the list is endless. I would consider pushing my kids into a life of crime so I don't have to pay for college and after they serve their 3 to 5 and parole, they could have a wonderful life making a load of money in Europe.


Nice! some great thoughts of some "great" mind. we need more and more "social reformer" like you to get "rid" of all the criminals in the world.
Aug 1, 2009 2:51 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
mnowsa: Nice! some great thoughts of some "great" mind. we need more and more "social reformer" like you to get "rid" of all the criminals in the world.


rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

I say kill the all.... I have no problem with that.
Aug 1, 2009 2:52 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
Zeelander: I say kill the all.... I have no problem with that.


I am not really laughing.
Aug 1, 2009 3:16 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Dmire
DmireDmirekingston, Kingston Jamaica20 Threads 2 Polls 508 Posts
I believe in Death penalty.But it should be proven beyond doubt one did it.Its not the the affected party to make a decision what should be done to the killer.The law should be followed.If one is found guilty, then the law should take its course.What value do we add to the culprit by jailing for life without parole?When a murderer is sentenced to death, it gives other would be murderers a lesson.Jailing them for life is encouraging others would be murderers since they know after all they will not die.sad
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