Do you believe in the death penalty? (317)
Not to jump in here, but the answer to the question of how would they feel if their son or daughter was wrongfully put to death , would be , how everyone feels who's loved one, was wrongfully put to death, by a murderer.
Justice, does not always prevail, on either side, but should be designed to PROTECT all the INNOCENT.
Enough said, Rome was not built in a day, and I am sure, till the end of days, this issue will be one where many people have to choice to disagree, unless they walked in someone else shoes.
We are not in heaven yet, but can all have hope that one day, Truth and Justice will be exactly that, Truth and Justice for all.
Justice, does not always prevail, on either side, but should be designed to PROTECT all the INNOCENT.
Enough said, Rome was not built in a day, and I am sure, till the end of days, this issue will be one where many people have to choice to disagree, unless they walked in someone else shoes.
We are not in heaven yet, but can all have hope that one day, Truth and Justice will be exactly that, Truth and Justice for all.
jessejess47: well I would wonder how you would feel it is was your son/daughter or someone like that ,that was wrongly accused and put to death. I would vote this to be the best post for my arguement. And the worst one for yours.....Thank you for your help with my point......
Good points there. I struggle with this because we havent had capital punishment since 1976. I believe in certain circumstances if its beyond all reasonable doubt then yes maybe it should be a consideration.
One amazing story I do know is that Gavrilo Princip the man who assassinated Arch Duke Ferdinand, which led to the start of the First World War , was never executed instead he was jailed & as the horrors of the war unfolded the Austrian prison guards daily informed him of the death/casualty tolls for all sides & what was happening.As a result of his one action
shootingstar77: Not to jump in here, but the answer to the question of how would they feel if their son or daughter was wrongfully put to death , would be , how everyone feels who's loved one, was wrongfully put to death, by a murderer.
Justice, does not always prevail, on either side, but should be designed to PROTECT all the INNOCENT.
Enough said, Rome was not built in a day, and I am sure, till the end of days, this issue will be one where many people have to choice to disagree, unless they walked in someone else shoes.
We are not in heaven yet, but can all have hope that one day, Truth and Justice will be exactly that, Truth and Justice for all.
Justice, does not always prevail, on either side, but should be designed to PROTECT all the INNOCENT.
Enough said, Rome was not built in a day, and I am sure, till the end of days, this issue will be one where many people have to choice to disagree, unless they walked in someone else shoes.
We are not in heaven yet, but can all have hope that one day, Truth and Justice will be exactly that, Truth and Justice for all.
"We are not in heaven here" You got THAT right, that's why there is no Truth and Justice down here, so why even try to proclaim there is or that there could be?
The innocent will always lose down here, whether the victim of a murderer or the victim of the so-called justice system.
All we can do is hope that the afterlife will be more fair than this life.
shootingstar77: Not to jump in here, but the answer to the question of how would they feel if their son or daughter was wrongfully put to death , would be , how everyone feels who's loved one, was wrongfully put to death, by a murderer.
Justice, does not always prevail, on either side, but should be designed to PROTECT all the INNOCENT.
Enough said, Rome was not built in a day, and I am sure, till the end of days, this issue will be one where many people have to choice to disagree, unless they walked in someone else shoes.
We are not in heaven yet, but can all have hope that one day, Truth and Justice will be exactly that, Truth and Justice for all.
no way you can compair the two ...one was done by a animal....the other was done by so call sane people in a court of law ....one was done alone (in most cases) the other was done by a group of people passing judgement on an innocent....not the same at all...Justice, does not always prevail, on either side, but should be designed to PROTECT all the INNOCENT.
Enough said, Rome was not built in a day, and I am sure, till the end of days, this issue will be one where many people have to choice to disagree, unless they walked in someone else shoes.
We are not in heaven yet, but can all have hope that one day, Truth and Justice will be exactly that, Truth and Justice for all.
Anyone who sit on a pile of international criminal justice statistics?
Would be interesting to see how countries without capital punishment are doing compared to those with it. In the sense of capital crimes, of course.
Without any grounds for it, I think if I was risking beheading I would be less "kill em all" as a person with a gun.
If I already overstepped that border line and know I am heading for the hangman, what is there to stop me any longer?
Or is it history, the cowboys still rules in some places?
Here is a list to look at while finding facts:
USA is in an interesting and very civilized group... not. Why is that?
Would be interesting to see how countries without capital punishment are doing compared to those with it. In the sense of capital crimes, of course.
Without any grounds for it, I think if I was risking beheading I would be less "kill em all" as a person with a gun.
If I already overstepped that border line and know I am heading for the hangman, what is there to stop me any longer?
Or is it history, the cowboys still rules in some places?
Here is a list to look at while finding facts:
USA is in an interesting and very civilized group... not. Why is that?
mike69spain: Without any grounds for it, I think if I was not risking beheading I would be less "kill em all" as a person with a gun.
This could be used against me...
Freudian slip?
mike69spain: Anyone who sit on a pile of international criminal justice statistics?
Would be interesting to see how countries without capital punishment are doing compared to those with it. In the sense of capital crimes, of course.
Without any grounds for it, I think if I was risking beheading I would be less "kill em all" as a person with a gun.
If I already overstepped that border line and know I am heading for the hangman, what is there to stop me any longer?
Or is it history, the cowboys still rules in some places?
Here is a list to look at while finding facts:
USA is in an interesting and very civilized group... not. Why is that?
Please do not group all of the States as one on this issue as it is a state law to have the death penality or not ...My state is one that does not. And I think (but am not sure) that most states do not have a death sentance. Would be interesting to see how countries without capital punishment are doing compared to those with it. In the sense of capital crimes, of course.
Without any grounds for it, I think if I was risking beheading I would be less "kill em all" as a person with a gun.
If I already overstepped that border line and know I am heading for the hangman, what is there to stop me any longer?
Or is it history, the cowboys still rules in some places?
Here is a list to look at while finding facts:
USA is in an interesting and very civilized group... not. Why is that?
jessejesse,
What you stated about not comparing the two, is good food for thought.
As I stated before, all cases are not the same.
Passiontly and with all my convictions, I stand by that anyone, man or woman, who willfully choice to murder an innocent human being, should be put to death, swiftly, and not be given any appeals, for they did not give their victim any last appeals.
As far as the one's who are wrongfully accused or put to death, I also passionetly agree , it is a major injustice, but for myself, my own convictions lay with the victims in the graveyard. I respect you for yours.
There is no gray area, it is black and white, and believe me, there is animals too that our serving in Our Justice System.
Again, true Justice will be served, beyond this earth, that I believe beyond any shadow of a doubt.
What you stated about not comparing the two, is good food for thought.
As I stated before, all cases are not the same.
Passiontly and with all my convictions, I stand by that anyone, man or woman, who willfully choice to murder an innocent human being, should be put to death, swiftly, and not be given any appeals, for they did not give their victim any last appeals.
As far as the one's who are wrongfully accused or put to death, I also passionetly agree , it is a major injustice, but for myself, my own convictions lay with the victims in the graveyard. I respect you for yours.
There is no gray area, it is black and white, and believe me, there is animals too that our serving in Our Justice System.
Again, true Justice will be served, beyond this earth, that I believe beyond any shadow of a doubt.
shootingstar77: jessejesse,
What you stated about not comparing the two, is good food for thought.
As I stated before, all cases are not the same.
Passiontly and with all my convictions, I stand by that anyone, man or woman, who willfully choice to murder an innocent human being, should be put to death, swiftly, and not be given any appeals, for they did not give their victim any last appeals.
As far as the one's who are wrongfully accused or put to death, I also passionetly agree , it is a major injustice, but for myself, my own convictions lay with the victims in the graveyard. I respect you for yours.
There is no gray area, it is black and white, and believe me, there is animals too that our serving in Our Justice System.
Again, true Justice will be served, beyond this earth, that I believe beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Agreed and will rest this thread for now .......What you stated about not comparing the two, is good food for thought.
As I stated before, all cases are not the same.
Passiontly and with all my convictions, I stand by that anyone, man or woman, who willfully choice to murder an innocent human being, should be put to death, swiftly, and not be given any appeals, for they did not give their victim any last appeals.
As far as the one's who are wrongfully accused or put to death, I also passionetly agree , it is a major injustice, but for myself, my own convictions lay with the victims in the graveyard. I respect you for yours.
There is no gray area, it is black and white, and believe me, there is animals too that our serving in Our Justice System.
Again, true Justice will be served, beyond this earth, that I believe beyond any shadow of a doubt.
jessejess47: Please do not group all of the States as one on this issue as it is a state law to have the death penality or not ...My state is one that does not. And I think (but am not sure) that most states do not have a death sentance.
True, and as I said, I am not knowledgeable enough to even compare the differences between the states in US. But surely, someone must have done that already?
What I am thinking of is if a criminal who already overdid his "duties" out there will be less interested in giving in if he is in a place where he risk capital punishment.
Looking at some of the countries where it actually is outlawed, like Sri Lanka, it did not much good, mostly due to unrest and lacking in other fields, but it shows that removing just the capital punishment is not enough.
shootingstar77: There is no gray area, it is black and white, and believe me, there is animals too that our serving in Our Justice System.
Again, true Justice will be served, beyond this earth, that I believe beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Again, true Justice will be served, beyond this earth, that I believe beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Did you know that the same thinking is the one the extremist organisations are using, and Vikings did too have once, when they were out and about?
Handing over the respect of life is a scary business.
mike69spain: True, and as I said, I am not knowledgeable enough to even compare the differences between the states in US. But surely, someone must have done that already?
What I am thinking of is if a criminal who already overdid his "duties" out there will be less interested in giving in if he is in a place where he risk capital punishment.
Looking at some of the countries where it actually is outlawed, like Sri Lanka, it did not much good, mostly due to unrest and lacking in other fields, but it shows that removing just the capital punishment is not enough.
I agree....I only stated about the state laws was for thoses that did not understand about how differant each state can be on this and many other issues....What I am thinking of is if a criminal who already overdid his "duties" out there will be less interested in giving in if he is in a place where he risk capital punishment.
Looking at some of the countries where it actually is outlawed, like Sri Lanka, it did not much good, mostly due to unrest and lacking in other fields, but it shows that removing just the capital punishment is not enough.
I preferr beer.....
We are not in heaven here" You got THAT right, that's why there is no Truth and Justice down here, so why even try to proclaim there is or that there could be?
The innocent will always lose down here, whether the victim of a murderer or the victim of the so-called justice system.
All we can do is hope that the afterlife will be more fair than this life.
I choice to disagree with this in all respect, that the innocent will always lose.
True victims are lying in the graveyard. The survivors, can and should keep fighting to win the battle of violence, that has soaked our society with its blood.
It is when we give up, we lose. We are only a victim, if we choice to be a victim.
Standing up, fighting and being courageous, means standing up and fighting with all the passion in your heart, to combat evil with good.
We are not in the afterlife yet, and until we are, we need to be the voices for those who can no longer scream for their own rights to be protected. If it saves one innocent life, then the fight was worth it all.
The innocent will always lose down here, whether the victim of a murderer or the victim of the so-called justice system.
All we can do is hope that the afterlife will be more fair than this life.
I choice to disagree with this in all respect, that the innocent will always lose.
True victims are lying in the graveyard. The survivors, can and should keep fighting to win the battle of violence, that has soaked our society with its blood.
It is when we give up, we lose. We are only a victim, if we choice to be a victim.
Standing up, fighting and being courageous, means standing up and fighting with all the passion in your heart, to combat evil with good.
We are not in the afterlife yet, and until we are, we need to be the voices for those who can no longer scream for their own rights to be protected. If it saves one innocent life, then the fight was worth it all.
BClady: Do I believe in the death penalty? I know it exists in many parts of the world, therefore I believe in its existence. Do I AGREE with the death penalty? Absolutely not!
What is the death penalty but authorized murder? A crime for a crime. Where is the justice? Who really benefits? If the death penalty works, then why is Charles Manson still alive?
What is the death penalty but authorized murder? A crime for a crime. Where is the justice? Who really benefits? If the death penalty works, then why is Charles Manson still alive?
Wasn't he due to die but the death penalty was rescinded in CA, or whichever State he was sitting in, before they could flip the switch? If this is the case, then that is why he is still alive...
I can't see what point is served in keeping a spineless moron like Manson around, who derived vicarious pleasure from the hideous acts he demanded from his "family", ruining countless lives, managing never to bloody his own hands and continuing to spout drivel in jail.mnowsa: ahem..i think you wanted to say "screwing anything with a HOLE". Now please proceed. thank you.
while death may be welcomed by some, it is NOT my right to decide it for another
avecaim: while death may be welcomed by some, it is NOT my right to decide it for another
That's what I've been trying to say all evening last night
Grandepensees: That's what I've been trying to say all evening last night
avecaim: while death may be welcomed by some, it is NOT my right to decide it for another
Nothing wrong with not agreeing with the death penalty. I believe the death penalty should have an age limit.... say 16 years old and older..... everyone younger should be spared.
You're right! This is the reason why some states are trying to do away with the death penalty and just have life sentencing. They claim that people on death row cost the state more because of the lengthy appeals process. I read one article about a guy that had been on death row for 20 years- I believe in California. He just kept appealing. As for poor Zee-- he would just be hanging! (Just picking Zee.)
jono7: hi Zee. no i'm not willing to take them into my home. And folks do need to be protected. But it's my understanding that death penalty cases are costing the tax payer more than life sentences. Am I wrong on this? but i return to my other point, what if you, Zee, were wrongly convicted?
hells yeah !!!!
woodzchick: You're right! This is the reason why some states are trying to do away with the death penalty and just have life sentencing. They claim that people on death row cost the state more because of the lengthy appeals process. I read one article about a guy that had been on death row for 20 years- I believe in California. He just kept appealing. As for poor Zee-- he would just be hanging! (Just picking Zee.)
A .22 handgun cost about $300/US.... a .22 bullet costs about $.03/US..... sounds like a great return on investment to me.
If it doesn't work the first time.... ya spend another $.03/US.
I don't believe in killing but sometimes a symbolic death is just what the doctor ordered
spiderbulgaria: If that's your idea of justice, welcome to anarchy.
As you will find in my posts and threads, I am the biggest proponent of Anarchy on this forum.
Thank you for noticing.
It did for me 
Me too!!!
This is a touchy subject and I sit and think to myself that killing is wrong no matter who it is done by and for whatever the reason.
Then again let somebody kill someone that I love.....
well then I have to say an eye for an eye
I guess what I feel is when my heart tells me its wrong one way and then its right the other
go figure 
Then again let somebody kill someone that I love.....
well then I have to say an eye for an eye
I guess what I feel is when my heart tells me its wrong one way and then its right the other
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It's good to be where killing is considered a crime.