Do you believe in the death penalty? (317)

Aug 1, 2009 3:21 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
clara1956
clara1956clara1956Punta Arenas, Magallanes Region Chile37 Threads 1 Polls 1,426 Posts
woodzchick: A rope from a tree will do just fine.


I wonder why this sounds to me so very close to lynching...doh
Aug 1, 2009 3:28 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
mnowsa: I am not really laughing.


Do you honestly think that the bleeding hearts in Washington DC would ever execute everyone on death row? Hell, the ones they do kill get a lethal injection with a sterile needle.

I say either execute them all or free them... I am tired of paying for them.
Aug 1, 2009 3:31 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
clara1956: I wonder why this sounds to me so very close to lynching...


To me this sounds like hanging.
Aug 1, 2009 3:36 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
woodzchick
woodzchickwoodzchickCallands, Virginia USA38 Threads 1 Polls 2,006 Posts
Some of our states are doing away with the death penalty because they state that it cost more to house an inmate on death row than to imprison an inmate for life. Therefore, the states that have done away with the death penalty at this time are simply housing our inmates for life. This is where mandatory release may come into play. Each state has it's own way of handling sentencing. In some cases, a life sentence doesn't mean life. I watched a case study based, I believe, in Florida where a serial killer was released on mandatory release. He had brutally murdered 17 people. When he was release, he went right back out and started murdering again. I can't understand how he was released in the first place.
Aug 1, 2009 3:39 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
woodzchick: Some of our states are doing away with the death penalty because they state that it cost more to house an inmate on death row than to imprison an inmate for life. Therefore, the states that have done away with the death penalty at this time are simply housing our inmates for life. This is where mandatory release may come into play. Each state has it's own way of handling sentencing. In some cases, a life sentence doesn't mean life. I watched a case study based, I believe, in Florida where a serial killer was released on mandatory release. He had brutally murdered 17 people. When he was release, he went right back out and started murdering again. I can't understand how he was released in the first place.


Welcome to America.

Actually the state was hoping he was going to go after the elderly to cut down on the benefits the state would have to pay out.

Sorry, I am on a smartass roll today
Aug 1, 2009 3:46 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
clara1956
clara1956clara1956Punta Arenas, Magallanes Region Chile37 Threads 1 Polls 1,426 Posts
Zeelander: To me this sounds like hanging.


Missing the nuances, eh?
Aug 1, 2009 3:50 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
clara1956: Missing the nuances, eh?


I got it, but I tend to be brutally to the point.
Aug 1, 2009 4:05 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
clara1956
clara1956clara1956Punta Arenas, Magallanes Region Chile37 Threads 1 Polls 1,426 Posts
Zeelander: I got it, but I tend to be brutally to the point.


I see.
Aug 1, 2009 5:38 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
jetdevil2001
jetdevil2001jetdevil2001Tashkent, Uzbekistan6 Threads 1 Polls 406 Posts
Zeelander: The death penalty is a cure for over crowded prisons... it make room by putting them in the ground rather than a jail cell, plus they won't be escaping from the ground.

Preventing crime has never prevented crime. Since day one the government has tried to prevent crime... has crime stopped?

Counseling doesn't put food on the table or drugs in a persons system for a lot of inmate.... but crime does.

There are a lot of Benefits to committing major crime. You get a home, three meals a day, free education, no taxes, free membership to a gym, free cable TV and the list is endless. I would consider pushing my kids into a life of crime so I don't have to pay for college and after they serve their 3 to 5 and parole, they could have a wonderful life making a load of money in Europe.


Then why not burn them out by dozens, isn't it fast? Yep, drive them into the gas chamber and enjoy the silencerolling on the floor laughing Strange, while the whole world step by step goes towards elimination of death penalty, you keep going the same way
Aug 1, 2009 5:47 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
cameraman
cameramancameramanSt. Petersburg, Florida USA29 Threads 19 Polls 2,501 Posts
woodzchick: Some of our states are doing away with the death penalty because they state that it cost more to house an inmate on death row than to imprison an inmate for life. Therefore, the states that have done away with the death penalty at this time are simply housing our inmates for life. This is where mandatory release may come into play. Each state has it's own way of handling sentencing. In some cases, a life sentence doesn't mean life. I watched a case study based, I believe, in Florida where a serial killer was released on mandatory release. He had brutally murdered 17 people. When he was release, he went right back out and started murdering again. I can't understand how he was released in the first place.


thumbs up Agree, those states that do not have the death penalty may parole murderers back onto the streets conversing That's why I'm glad Florida still has the death penalty.
Aug 1, 2009 8:39 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
No NO No No No A million times NOconversing professor
Aug 1, 2009 9:54 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
velvetUG
velvetUGvelvetUGmelbourne, Victoria Australia9 Threads 1 Polls 763 Posts
Zeelander: I see two, but were they innocent.... truly innocent? Were they involved?

Why is it that those that live in a penal colony want all criminals released?


oh no i dont want them released...lock therm up and throw away the key

my stand point on this issue is the message it sends to the community at large....

and that is the devolution of citizenry.

i'm thinking about you guys you seewine
Aug 1, 2009 9:58 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
velvetUG
velvetUGvelvetUGmelbourne, Victoria Australia9 Threads 1 Polls 763 Posts
gingerb: Killing the perpetrator of a murder does not bring the victim back, nor does it ease the bereavement process of the family members of the victim.

Justice, in my book, does not include becoming a killer myself even by proxy........


wine
Aug 1, 2009 11:58 PM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
woodzchick
woodzchickwoodzchickCallands, Virginia USA38 Threads 1 Polls 2,006 Posts
I agree with you that there are more reasons for people going out and committing crimes other than them just being evil. For the mental illness part, that is some of the other excuses that people in class have thrown my way. They claim that nobody in their right mind would do such things-that they must be mentally ill. I don't agree with that. I mean -yeah-somethings not right, but I wouldn't say that they're mentally ill and need to be locked up in a mental ward. Also, you are right about poverty and lack of options affecting the crime. This is the only life that some people know. I don't have the "Kill Them All mentality. I do believe that our system could use some adjustments to better serve our country. As for the rope from the tree- it worked in the old west just fine. I know-even my professor said that I sounded "cold blooded." I guess I feel that way because I see people that continue to go out and commit brutal crimes to innocent people. I really don't see such a big difference between the methods. I mean, think about it, electric chair, being gassed to death, or a quick drop from the tree. I do have to disagree with you on the death penalty not helping with the problem of overcrowded prisons. If the very violent, repeat offenders were executed, there would be more room. The new laws that are being passed are a great start, but they also lead to more crowding in the prisons. There's no easy solution to these problems.
Aug 2, 2009 12:06 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
woodzchick
woodzchickwoodzchickCallands, Virginia USA38 Threads 1 Polls 2,006 Posts
Well, I tried to respond a little more delicately, but I think you pretty much summed it up.handshake
Zeelander: The death penalty is a cure for over crowded prisons... it make room by putting them in the ground rather than a jail cell, plus they won't be escaping from the ground.

Preventing crime has never prevented crime. Since day one the government has tried to prevent crime... has crime stopped?

Counseling doesn't put food on the table or drugs in a persons system for a lot of inmate.... but crime does.

There are a lot of Benefits to committing major crime. You get a home, three meals a day, free education, no taxes, free membership to a gym, free cable TV and the list is endless. I would consider pushing my kids into a life of crime so I don't have to pay for college and after they serve their 3 to 5 and parole, they could have a wonderful life making a load of money in Europe.
Aug 2, 2009 12:25 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
nope sure don't, murder is murder weather it is legal or not
Aug 2, 2009 12:33 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
jessejess47: nope sure don't, murder is murder weather it is legal or not


i don't support the death penalty.
too many cases of wrongly accused, wrongly convicted.
the cost of death penalty cases is $ that could be spent elsewhere.
i agree that the system needs change, but i don't have the answers.
Aug 2, 2009 12:37 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
coasty1978
coasty1978coasty1978moffat beach, Queensland Australia21 Posts
I believe in the death penalty for muderers especaily child killers as I don't think the public should have pay to house animals like that.
Aug 2, 2009 1:38 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
velvetUG
velvetUGvelvetUGmelbourne, Victoria Australia9 Threads 1 Polls 763 Posts
jessejess47: nope sure don't, murder is murder weather it is legal or not



thumbs up wine
Aug 2, 2009 1:40 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
steve6611
steve6611steve6611Victor Harbor, South Australia Australia1 Threads 1,767 Posts
coasty1978: I believe in the death penalty for muderers especaily child killers as I don't think the public should have pay to house animals like that.


actually even though I am in 2 minds about the death penalty. I do appreciate & understand your feelings because where children are concerned
Aug 2, 2009 1:44 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
CuspofMagic
CuspofMagicCuspofMagiclight, South Australia Australia278 Threads 7,904 Posts
--- No!!!
Aug 2, 2009 1:45 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
avecaim
avecaimavecaimSan Jose, California USA9 Threads 1 Polls 4,084 Posts
No, not my right to choose another person's fate peace
Aug 2, 2009 1:59 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
George625
George625George625-, Quebec Canada1 Threads 10 Posts
strongly against it, too many mistakes in legal process... on the other hand I believe prison time should be much harder time, especially for crimes which involve violence, not mini holidays. The French and Russians had the right idea with penal camps and gulags... and life sentences should mean life sentences.
Aug 2, 2009 2:15 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
jetdevil2001: Then why not burn them out by dozens, isn't it fast? Yep, drive them into the gas chamber and enjoy the silence Strange, while the whole world step by step goes towards elimination of death penalty, you keep going the same way


Even for me the gas chamber is a might cruel.
Aug 2, 2009 2:18 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
velvetUG: oh no i dont want them released...lock therm up and throw away the key

my stand point on this issue is the message it sends to the community at large....

and that is the devolution of citizenry.

i'm thinking about you guys you see


Unfortunately, the citizen will still have to suffer by having to pay to keep them there. Execute them and the costs stop..... eventually.
Aug 2, 2009 2:24 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
gingerb: Killing the perpetrator of a murder does not bring the victim back, nor does it ease the bereavement process of the family members of the victim.

Justice, in my book, does not include becoming a killer myself even by proxy........


Are you willing to take them into your house, clothe them feed them and just take care of them?

I am tired of paying for them. It would be nice for y'all to pay me to sit around and do nothing.

Email me and I will reply with my PO Box where y'all can send me checks or cash and I didn't hurt or kill anyone for the support.
Aug 2, 2009 2:25 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
jono7: i don't support the death penalty.
too many cases of wrongly accused, wrongly convicted.
the cost of death penalty cases is $ that could be spent elsewhere.
i agree that the system needs change, but i don't have the answers.


Are you willing to take them into your home or country?
Aug 2, 2009 2:27 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
avecaim: No, not my right to choose another person's fate


So you are saying free them to the street? Because jail is a fate you choose for them.
Aug 2, 2009 2:28 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
Zeelander
ZeelanderZeelanderLouisville, Kentucky USA91 Threads 5 Polls 2,073 Posts
George625: strongly against it, too many mistakes in legal process... on the other hand I believe prison time should be much harder time, especially for crimes which involve violence, not mini holidays. The French and Russians had the right idea with penal camps and gulags... and life sentences should mean life sentences.


So, you believe in torture rather than ending their miserable life? This I don't understand.
Aug 2, 2009 2:36 AM CST Do you believe in the death penalty?
SuzyJ
SuzyJSuzyJThe Hague, South Holland Netherlands16 Threads 3 Polls 214 Posts
There seems to be a lot of focus on what happens to the innocents accused and sentenced to die here but I don't really get the logic - ok, so a few innocent people die/d but doesn't anyone realise that by allowing monsters to live and potentially roam the earth to reoffend you are sentencing many more innocents, men, women and children to hours of torture, mutilation and eventually death? The people who are often sentenced to die have overwhelming evidence against them for committing a henious crime, and in many cases are repeated offenders - child abusers, rapists and murderers - so I reckon that when you tally up the toll on innocent lives its a lot higher letting these people out on eventual parole and allowing them to reoffend.

Innocents only receive the death penalty when the legal system is not sound or when there is corruption involved.

The way I see it innocent people are gonna die one way or another - personally I'd rather take the chance of picking the wrong man/woman than living with the burden of knowing that I set a monster loose again into the world to torture more people.
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