Does god hate us? (338)

May 8, 2010 1:49 PM CST Does god hate us?
davpk10
davpk10davpk10somewhere, New York USA23 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
He doesn't hate me ...no one does ....I am just a lovable fellow...roll eyes
May 8, 2010 1:51 PM CST Does god hate us?
davpk10
davpk10davpk10somewhere, New York USA23 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
Laura25: What 'bout them, Dave? care for some more popcorn?
thanks don't mind if I do ....I brought some Garlic salt ....grin
May 8, 2010 2:20 PM CST Does god hate us?
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA230 Threads 10,539 Posts
It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO
May 8, 2010 2:25 PM CST Does god hate us?
mahoo
mahoomahooDhaka, Bangladesh218 Posts
rohaan: It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO


It is not true my friend , I went trough tough condition like many , yes sometime you may be angry but truth is as long you have sense, you cannot deny the existence of God if you do then actually you are lying to yourself .
May 8, 2010 4:24 PM CST Does god hate us?
Laura25
Laura25Laura25Somewhere, New York USA50 Threads 6 Polls 8,178 Posts
rohaan:

It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO





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Rohaan tip hat
May 8, 2010 4:25 PM CST Does god hate us?
Laura25
Laura25Laura25Somewhere, New York USA50 Threads 6 Polls 8,178 Posts
davpk10: He doesn't hate me ...no one does ....I am just a lovable fellow...


It's good to be you, Dave grin
May 8, 2010 4:32 PM CST Does god hate us?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
Dear Lord, Laura, I can't believe you started a "god thread"!!wow confused banana
May 8, 2010 4:34 PM CST Does god hate us?
JAN_is
JAN_isJAN_isMurcia city centre, Murcia Spain109 Threads 3,849 Posts
Ambrose2007: Dear Lord, Laura, I can't believe you started a "god thread"!!


I can´t believe you said "Dear Lord" rolling on the floor laughing wave
May 8, 2010 4:36 PM CST Does god hate us?
Iuchi_Zien
Iuchi_ZienIuchi_ZienSheffield, South Yorkshire, England UK21 Threads 9 Polls 1,426 Posts
rohaan: It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO


And of course if that person dies before his basic needs are resolved, guess what, he is punished AGAIN! Explain to me the justice and fairness of that? How heaping punishment upon punishment defines a fair and just God?
May 8, 2010 4:47 PM CST Does god hate us?
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
JAN_is: I can´t believe you said "Dear Lord"


True, Jan, that was a bet unrighteous of me. I should've said, "Dear God, Laura..."
May 8, 2010 4:48 PM CST Does god hate us?
JAN_is
JAN_isJAN_isMurcia city centre, Murcia Spain109 Threads 3,849 Posts
Ambrose2007: True, Jan, that was a bet unrighteous of me. I should've said, "Dear God, Laura..."


rolling on the floor laughing Nice pic you two.
May 8, 2010 7:10 PM CST Does god hate us?
AngelinBali
AngelinBaliAngelinBaliBali, Indonesia270 Posts
Laura25: Wherever this endless-energy-god thing is located,

whether inside or outside us - irrelevant,

it plays pretty neat tricks on us.



I feel it's the mind and thoughts that are playing the tricks and each of us can control them.
A conscious creator knows he's 100% responsible for all of his experiences.
A unconscious creator is a sleep behind the wheel and blames "god" and the world for his circumstances.
JMPO
May 8, 2010 7:13 PM CST Does god hate us?
itsallme112
itsallme112itsallme112Surrey, British Columbia Canada78 Threads 11 Polls 441 Posts
When god made man, she was only joking.laugh
May 8, 2010 7:16 PM CST Does god hate us?
AngelinBali
AngelinBaliAngelinBaliBali, Indonesia270 Posts
rohaan: It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO


I've been homeless myself in the past. I've made every choice myself along the way to have ended up like that and there's never anybody else to blame then ourselves.
Don't agree that the basic needs have to be resolved first, man has to start loving themselves and every thing else will fall in place.
Circumstances don't make a person, they reveal them.
May 8, 2010 7:21 PM CST Does god hate us?
Laura25
Laura25Laura25Somewhere, New York USA50 Threads 6 Polls 8,178 Posts
AngelinBali: I feel it's the mind and thoughts that are playing the tricks and each of us can control them.

A conscious creator knows he's 100% responsible for all of his experiences.

A unconscious creator is a sleep behind the wheel and blames "god" and the world for his circumstances.
JMPO





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May 8, 2010 7:22 PM CST Does god hate us?
Laura25
Laura25Laura25Somewhere, New York USA50 Threads 6 Polls 8,178 Posts
Ambrose2007: Dear Lord, Laura, I can't believe you started a "god thread"!!


I was unconscious blushing when I created this thread, J. smile


Am not responsible... talk to hand



Hey there wave
May 8, 2010 7:25 PM CST Does god hate us?
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
AngelinBali: I've been homeless myself in the past. I've made every choice myself along the way to have ended up like that and there's never anybody else to blame then ourselves.
Don't agree that the basic needs have to be resolved first, man has to start loving themselves and every thing else will fall in place.
Circumstances don't make a person, they reveal them.


Totally agree. It starts and ends with ourselves. I've made a few bad choices in life myself. I too have been peniless and homeless. I've been richer than I am now in between. Today I live quite a humble life and I can't remember being more content. I believe that God loves and that's all he or she does. I think humans have trouble getting their heads around that one.

Frankly, I don't see any evidence that God hates us. I think we bring a lot of bad stuff down on ourselves. IMHO
May 8, 2010 7:27 PM CST Does god hate us?
katt1017
katt1017katt1017Southern, New Hampshire USA67 Threads 10 Polls 1,384 Posts
What I find interesting is the amount of hatred people can throw towards a God they do not believe in and those that do believe.

If they are that charming in all of their dealings with others small wonder that they are still alone. Do you suppose they fault their exes or that God creature they don't believe in?
May 8, 2010 7:29 PM CST Does god hate us?
AngelinBali
AngelinBaliAngelinBaliBali, Indonesia270 Posts
Laura25: I was unconscious when I created this thread, J. Am not responsible...
Hey there


laugh you're still a goddess!
May 8, 2010 7:30 PM CST Does god hate us?
JAN_is
JAN_isJAN_isMurcia city centre, Murcia Spain109 Threads 3,849 Posts
katt1017: What I find interesting is the amount of hatred people can throw towards a God they do not believe in and those that do believe.

If they are that charming in all of their dealings with others small wonder that they are still alone. Do you suppose they fault their exes or that God creature they don't believe in?


I didn´t notice any "hatred" as you say. dunno And being alone has nothing whatsoever to do with a belief in God or otherwise.
May 8, 2010 7:30 PM CST Does god hate us?
katt1017
katt1017katt1017Southern, New Hampshire USA67 Threads 10 Polls 1,384 Posts
Godsgift: Totally agree. It starts and ends with ourselves. I've made a few bad choices in life myself. I too have been peniless and homeless. I've been richer than I am now in between. Today I live quite a humble life and I can't remember being more content. I believe that God loves and that's all he or she does. I think humans have trouble getting their heads around that one.

Frankly, I don't see any evidence that God hates us. I think we bring a lot of bad stuff down on ourselves. IMHO



Many people don't want to accept personal responsibility. They will take the credit for things going right, deserved or not but when they mess things up someone else is to blame.
May 8, 2010 7:30 PM CST Does god hate us?
darrenfarrell
darrenfarrelldarrenfarrellmullingar, Westmeath Ireland6 Posts
yea he hates us now he want us to go to our room very mad
May 8, 2010 7:30 PM CST Does god hate us?
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
Godsgift: Totally agree. It starts and ends with ourselves. I've made a few bad choices in life myself. I too have been peniless and homeless. I've been richer than I am now in between. Today I live quite a humble life and I can't remember being more content. I believe that God loves and that's all he or she does. I think humans have trouble getting their heads around that one.

Frankly, I don't see any evidence that God hates us. I think we bring a lot of bad stuff down on ourselves. IMHO


So the fire and brimstone stuff is bs then?

God, that's a relief!!!


peace
May 8, 2010 7:33 PM CST Does god hate us?
Barrellofart
BarrellofartBarrellofartGrand Rapids, Michigan USA16 Threads 9 Polls 761 Posts
rohaan: It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO


Strongly disagree.

It is equally as easy for the well-off to have disbelief in a God, and equally as easy for the poor and broken to look towards the post-life assurances that religions promote, clutching the light in their darkest times.
May 8, 2010 7:48 PM CST Does god hate us?
1good_guy
1good_guy1good_guyBrantford, Ontario Canada3 Posts
You know what, I feel like Im the only one on earth Isaiah Chapter 53 (the profecy of the Messiah.) Applys too. particularly these verses.
2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see seed, he shall prolong days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
I'm not saying I'm God. I know I'm not, but I think he takes pleasure in my suffering and afflictions.
May 8, 2010 7:55 PM CST Does god hate us?
AngelinBali
AngelinBaliAngelinBaliBali, Indonesia270 Posts
1good_guy: You know what, I feel like Im the only one on earth Isaiah Chapter 53 (the profecy of the Messiah.) Applys too. particularly these verses.
2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see seed, he shall prolong days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
I'm not saying I'm God. I know I'm not, but I think he takes pleasure in my suffering and afflictions.



wow Honestly, couldn't be bother reading it.

Guess it's that kind of complicated stuff that makes people decided that there's not such a thing as a "God/Universal energy". It could be simple as... it's a never ending life energy, a spring of well being, pure love and it flows through all of us. It's that part you can't find in any death body. It's every body personal choice to connect with this flow of well being/love. There's only a stream of well being out there, no stream of suffering. Suffering is a choice!
May 8, 2010 7:59 PM CST Does god hate us?
katt1017
katt1017katt1017Southern, New Hampshire USA67 Threads 10 Polls 1,384 Posts
bodleing: Perhaps I missed something. But I've just read through this thread...spitting poison???

Definitely missed that.


Posts that cross in the internet.

I'd said in the one just above your post that this thread had been fairly civil. I was referring to other threads on the same subject matter.
May 8, 2010 8:02 PM CST Does god hate us?
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
katt1017: Posts that cross in the internet.

I'd said in the one just above your post that this thread had been fairly civil. I was referring to other threads on the same subject matter.


And you dont accept that the 'hatred' comes from both sides?


hmmm
May 8, 2010 8:05 PM CST Does god hate us?
AngelinBali
AngelinBaliAngelinBaliBali, Indonesia270 Posts
bodleing: And you dont accept that the 'hatred' comes from both sides?


Some love and compassion could get us all back on topic laugh
May 8, 2010 8:10 PM CST Does god hate us?
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
AngelinBali: Some love and compassion could get us all back on topic


You're right.thumbs up

Now what was the topic?

Oh yes...are we hated?


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