It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO
rohaan: It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO
It is not true my friend , I went trough tough condition like many , yes sometime you may be angry but truth is as long you have sense, you cannot deny the existence of God if you do then actually you are lying to yourself .
It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO
rohaan: It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO
And of course if that person dies before his basic needs are resolved, guess what, he is punished AGAIN! Explain to me the justice and fairness of that? How heaping punishment upon punishment defines a fair and just God?
Laura25: Wherever this endless-energy-god thing is located,
whether inside or outside us - irrelevant,
it plays pretty neat tricks on us.
I feel it's the mind and thoughts that are playing the tricks and each of us can control them. A conscious creator knows he's 100% responsible for all of his experiences. A unconscious creator is a sleep behind the wheel and blames "god" and the world for his circumstances. JMPO
rohaan: It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO
I've been homeless myself in the past. I've made every choice myself along the way to have ended up like that and there's never anybody else to blame then ourselves. Don't agree that the basic needs have to be resolved first, man has to start loving themselves and every thing else will fall in place. Circumstances don't make a person, they reveal them.
AngelinBali: I've been homeless myself in the past. I've made every choice myself along the way to have ended up like that and there's never anybody else to blame then ourselves. Don't agree that the basic needs have to be resolved first, man has to start loving themselves and every thing else will fall in place. Circumstances don't make a person, they reveal them.
Totally agree. It starts and ends with ourselves. I've made a few bad choices in life myself. I too have been peniless and homeless. I've been richer than I am now in between. Today I live quite a humble life and I can't remember being more content. I believe that God loves and that's all he or she does. I think humans have trouble getting their heads around that one.
Frankly, I don't see any evidence that God hates us. I think we bring a lot of bad stuff down on ourselves. IMHO
What I find interesting is the amount of hatred people can throw towards a God they do not believe in and those that do believe.
If they are that charming in all of their dealings with others small wonder that they are still alone. Do you suppose they fault their exes or that God creature they don't believe in?
katt1017: What I find interesting is the amount of hatred people can throw towards a God they do not believe in and those that do believe.
If they are that charming in all of their dealings with others small wonder that they are still alone. Do you suppose they fault their exes or that God creature they don't believe in?
I didn´t notice any "hatred" as you say. And being alone has nothing whatsoever to do with a belief in God or otherwise.
Godsgift: Totally agree. It starts and ends with ourselves. I've made a few bad choices in life myself. I too have been peniless and homeless. I've been richer than I am now in between. Today I live quite a humble life and I can't remember being more content. I believe that God loves and that's all he or she does. I think humans have trouble getting their heads around that one.
Frankly, I don't see any evidence that God hates us. I think we bring a lot of bad stuff down on ourselves. IMHO
Many people don't want to accept personal responsibility. They will take the credit for things going right, deserved or not but when they mess things up someone else is to blame.
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
Godsgift: Totally agree. It starts and ends with ourselves. I've made a few bad choices in life myself. I too have been peniless and homeless. I've been richer than I am now in between. Today I live quite a humble life and I can't remember being more content. I believe that God loves and that's all he or she does. I think humans have trouble getting their heads around that one.
Frankly, I don't see any evidence that God hates us. I think we bring a lot of bad stuff down on ourselves. IMHO
rohaan: It's easy to believe in God, and all the wonderful things that go with this belief, if your life is going well. Try telling a down and out homeless man who has been brushed off, denied employment, denied access to a restroom, ostracized, insulted, denied a place to sleep about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Now, I am a believer, and my life has been very good, but it stands to reason that (many times, anyway) basic needs have to be resolved before a man can be open about hearing God's wonderful love, etc... JMO
Strongly disagree.
It is equally as easy for the well-off to have disbelief in a God, and equally as easy for the poor and broken to look towards the post-life assurances that religions promote, clutching the light in their darkest times.
You know what, I feel like Im the only one on earth Isaiah Chapter 53 (the profecy of the Messiah.) Applys too. particularly these verses. 2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him. 3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see seed, he shall prolong days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. I'm not saying I'm God. I know I'm not, but I think he takes pleasure in my suffering and afflictions.
1good_guy: You know what, I feel like Im the only one on earth Isaiah Chapter 53 (the profecy of the Messiah.) Applys too. particularly these verses. 2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him. 3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see seed, he shall prolong days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. I'm not saying I'm God. I know I'm not, but I think he takes pleasure in my suffering and afflictions.
Guess it's that kind of complicated stuff that makes people decided that there's not such a thing as a "God/Universal energy". It could be simple as... it's a never ending life energy, a spring of well being, pure love and it flows through all of us. It's that part you can't find in any death body. It's every body personal choice to connect with this flow of well being/love. There's only a stream of well being out there, no stream of suffering. Suffering is a choice!
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