RE: Who was Leonardo da Vinci ?

Actually he was Leonard Vincent an American scientist who invented a time machine and traveled back to the year 1482. He was found wondering around in a daze because he had made a rough landing and banged his head pretty badly. He was found by a shephard near Florence who took him to his farmhouse, gave him period clothes and suggested he change his name. Here he spent about 6 months learning Italian and trying to repair his machine but it was hopeless. He spent many sleepless nights missing his wife and children back home in his time, wondering if she remarried and how the children were developing.
He resigned himself to the fact that he was stuck in the 15th century so he decided to advance science of the day but he had to be very careful not to upset the church with modern technology and designed his inventions to incorporate the materials and style of the time. He pushed the envelope as far as he could without rousing suspicion.

RE: Christians....Do you understand this?

"There is no greater bore than perfection."

General Zaroff said that in "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell.

RE: Christians....Do you understand this?

No fair! You're using logic. very mad Next thing you'll be asking how they determined a day or a year before the earth existed. Or why do they use words like "firmament" when nothing in the universe isn't moving and very fast I might add.

Predatory lenders?

Well, I was so shocked by the site I posted in my opening post I had to peruse that site and the more I read esp in their forums the more I started to doubt it was for real. I drilled deep into the site but not til I got to the "JOIN" page did I learn the truth. Here is what it said:

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rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

No I didn't join!doh

RE: PHONE

He may not have a LL land line. More and more people are ditching hard wired home phones I did myself 6 mos ago. The bit about not being able to call you on his cell simply means he doesn't want to pay what it costs esp if it's an int call. He can do skype or get a phone card. Then there's also webcam & mike.

Predatory lenders?

These people remind me of my chickens. If one of them gets mauled by a dog (has happened a few times) and the chicken is fortunate to survive, I have to separate it from the rest of the flock for its own safety because the other chickens will sense that it's injured and they will peck it to death.

Instead of dissing poor people as lazy drug abusers and alcoholics maybe have a little human compassion for their plight.

I had a neighbor who fits into the catagory of working poor, nice couple, good people with 2 daughters 5 & 12 he worked as a loader operator for a lumber mill, she was disabled. With the housing crash they cut him to 30 hours a week because the demand for 2X4's etc fell to near zero. neither of them drink or do drugs, they can't afford it. They are lucky to be able to feed their kids. I've seen the inside of their fridge it was pathetic to say the least. They eat mostly canned yams, pinto beans, and black eyed peas they get from the food bank. I give them out of date bread I buy in bulk from the outlet store for my chickens. They don't play with race cars or eat at nice restaurants, McDonalds is a treat for the kids they have to ration. They can't even afford to buy gas beyond what is essential to get him back & forth to work.

Yet....They get solicitations for debit cards with a $300 limit at a fee of $95.00. They get flyers fron payday loan and check cashing places. They get mail from fly by night car insurance agents who stress "bad credit specialists". I never get these mailings. I don't get them because I'm not targeted like they are.

Predatory lenders?

I never thought something like this actually existed. An organization dedicated to targeting and maximizing profits from poor people, minorities, and our armed forces. This is disgusting! How do these people sleep at night? This is the dark side of capitalism.




If you are living from paycheck to paycheck and sometimes have difficulty making ends meet, rest assured, these scum will be more than happy to "help" you by taking your money. Did you think it was by accident that liqour stores, payday lenders, check cashing stores, pawn shops etc are located in neighborhoods predominantly inhabited by minorities and the working poor?

RE: THE ULTIMATE - LAST WORD ON THE SUBJECT- RELIGIOUS THREAD



YES I GUESS THEY OUGHTA NAME A DRINK AFTER YOU

Oh I get drunk most every night
Seems like all we do is fight
The more I drink
The less I feel blue
Sometimes I feel like an awful fool
Spendin' my life on an old bar stool
And yes I guess they oughta name a drink after you

If this date were to be our last
I'd never sit down this glass
It'd take all the booze in the world
To forget you
You've left my heart a vacant lot
I'll fill it with another shot
And yes I guess they oughta name a drink after you

Looks like I had my fill
Guess I better pay my bill
When I started out I only meant to have a few
Someone just said that you left town
I better get a double round
And yes I guess they oughta name a drink after you

RE: THE ULTIMATE - LAST WORD ON THE SUBJECT- RELIGIOUS THREAD

Have you just discovered John Prine conrad?

RE: THE ULTIMATE - LAST WORD ON THE SUBJECT- RELIGIOUS THREAD

Hey Trish, these are the Dylan albums I have.

The Times They Are A Changin
John Wesley Harding
Highway 61 Revisited
Blonde on blonde
Freewheelin
Bringing It All Back Home
Bob Dylans' Greatest Hits
Blood On The Tracks
Another Side Of Bob Dylan


With god on our side is on .. The Times They Are A Changin album

Prine albums:

Best Of, The
Burnt Orange
Diamonds In The Rough
John Prine
Storm Windows

RE: THE ULTIMATE - LAST WORD ON THE SUBJECT- RELIGIOUS THREAD

I never heard that one trish.

This song stirs me to the core I don't know why but it brings me to tears.



Black faces pressed against the glass
Where rain has pressed it's weight
Wind blown scarves in top down cars
All share one western trait
Sadness leaks through tear-stained cheeks
From winos to dime-store Jews
Probably don't know they give me
These late John Garfield blues

Midnight fell on Franklin Street
And the lamppost bulbs were broke
For the life of me, I could not see
But I heard a brand new joke
Two men were standing upon a bridge
One jumped and screamed you lose
And just left the odd man holding
Those late John Garfield blues

An old man sleeps with his conscience at night
Young kids sleep with their dreams
While the mentally ill sit perfectly still
And live through life's in-betweens

I'm going away to the last resort
In week or two real soon
Where the fish don't bite but once a night
By the cold light of the moon
The horses scream- the nightmares dream
And the dead men all wear shoes
'Cause everybody's dancin'
Those late John Garfield blues

RE: THE ULTIMATE - LAST WORD ON THE SUBJECT- RELIGIOUS THREAD

Hey Trish, this is the first tune I ever heard by John Prine, called "Clocks & Spoons" unfortunately I can't find it on youtube but I did manage to find a pretty decent cover of it.



These guy are pretty faithful to the Prine version.

I boldened faithful to try to stay on topic LOL.laugh

RE: THE ULTIMATE - LAST WORD ON THE SUBJECT- RELIGIOUS THREAD

I'd rather talk about John Prine & Bob Dylan than religeon any day. rolling on the floor laughing
A question that came to mind, do you know of any dylan songs covered by John Prine? I can't think of one i think prine pretty much writes his own songs, like Dylan two of the greatest song writers IMO.
EVERYBODY
While out sailing on the ocean
While out sailing on the sea
I bumped into the Saviour
And He said pardon me
I said "Jesus you look tired"
He said "Jesus so do you,
Sit down son
'Cause I got some fat to chew"

Chorus:
Everybody needs somebody that they can talk to
Someone to open up their ears
And let that trouble through
Now you don't have to sympathize
Or care what they may do
But everybody needs somebody that they can talk to

Well he spoke to me of morality
Starvation, pain and sin
Matter of fact the whole dang time
I only got a few words in
But I won't squawck
Let 'em talk
Hell it's been a long long time
And any friend that's been turned down
Is bound to be a friend of mine

(Repeat chorus)

Now we sat there for an hour or two
Just eatin' that Gospel pie
When around the bend come a terrible wind
And lightning lit the sky
He said so long son I gotta run
Appreciate you listening to me
And I believe I heard him sing these words
As he skipped out across the sea

RE: THE ULTIMATE - LAST WORD ON THE SUBJECT- RELIGIOUS THREAD

Did Dylan write that? I'd only heard it by John Prine.

Steve Goodman (July 25, 1948 – September 20, 1984)

I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's the kind of song you like immediately. It doesn't have to grow on you.

RE: British versus American English.

Bathroom = Loo

RE: British versus American English.

RE: Easter egg chickens

More properly know as Araucanas. They lay pastel shades of green to blue eggs. My neighbor has several of them. I guess it all depends on what your goal is. To produce colored eggs for show, to have pretty chickens around, to produce eggs for sale? Keeping chickens is not something to get into on impulse because unless you have the right facilities for chickens they will probably all get killed by predators and local dogs.
The other thing to keep in mind is only hens lay eggs so depending on what you start with you could wind up with more roosters than hens. Araucanas are no harder or easier than any other chicken to raise. Here's a couple of helpful sites to check out.



RE: Signing in without password

I never thought I would ever miss "ya'll" (translation for non English speakers ya'll means you all)

Climate Change

Again I say so what. This is a capitalist country after all and if he's an astute investor he will make lots of money, if not he could lose his shirt. Some hedge funds trade mortgages, insurance cos bet that you'll live and be healthy and you bet you'll die, that is in essence the concept of life insurance. Wall Street exists because there are people who want to sell and people who want to buy. You make trading carbon credits out to be immoral but it is no more immoral than trading corn futures.

Climate Change

So what? He's making money investing in green industries. I have investments in Velaro the biggest refiner in the world also I have investments in a co that is the biggest celulosic ethanol co in the world (that's ethanol from waste not corn). Green is green if you get my drift.

Climate Change



"A Loud Minority

But psychology isn't the whole answer, either. Leiserowitz's opinion research shows that there's a relatively small but active group of people who have decided that climate change is a phony issue.

"The people who are pretty skeptical about whether this is even an issue to worry about, they're pretty mobilized right now," he says, "and they're amplifying their message across the country."

Right now, they're having a field day with the e-mails stolen from climate scientists. Skeptics have taken some suspicious-sounding statements in those e-mails as proof that climate change is a hoax. That's certainly not the view of mainstream scientists, but again, the public doesn't necessarily listen to scientists.

People trying to stir up doubt about climate change aren't working in a vacuum, says Tim Wirth, a former Democratic senator who now runs the United Nations Foundation. There's a large and well-funded effort to block legislation that could hurt the industries most responsible for carbon emissions.

"Where does that money come from?" he asks. "Well, it comes in part, sometimes in large part, from the very industries whose ox is going to get gored if there's aggressive climate legislation. So that gets increasingly difficult on Capitol Hill.""

RE: Would you give up a relationship for your Dog ? if one of them had to go...

Whos' life?

Any one who places an animal above a human being is insane!

RE: Atheists and Christmas

It's a conspiracy! Christians must get marching orders to use this holiday to make an extra effort to snare more warm bodies to their cause. It's kind of like stores, they have to make it in December to show a profit for the whole year.

RE: Scariest movie of all time???

Funny you mentioned "Bridges...." the first encounter with that was when I heard it read as an audio book every morning on my clock radio. Every morning was another chapter. It was very enjoyable but I wouldn't pay ten pesos to watch the movie.

RE: Scariest movie of all time???

another vote for the Exorcist, Cube was pretty scary too and a really great movie. The Shining didn't rattle my cage at all. The original Frankenstein scared me as a little kid. Alien & Aliens was pretty scary.

RE: the best christmas song!

Yes but one of the most beautiful on earth IMO.

RE: the best christmas song!

Üdvözlet, Igen, Nem Beszélsz magyarul. I wish I let my mother teach me.

RE: the best christmas song!

Szervusz Hogy vagy?

suggestion/reminder

Your pants may need a swift reboot.laugh

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