So, by that one must conclude that you advocate torturing POW's! If that's true, you obviously know nothing about torture. Is this what you want our POW's to go through? Would you want our men and women in uniform to be treated like this?
Torturing a prisoner will not get you the information you need it will only get what you want to hear. Under torture a person will say anything to save his life, confess to anything even though he may be totally innocent. How many people have been found to be innocent of crimes they were convicted of by forced confessions and have been released from prison? And, were paid large sums of money in compensation for being railroaded? Or worse, how many innocent people have been executed based on forced confessions? This troubles me a great deal because if it can happen to anybody, it can happen to me, and it can happen to you as well!
BTW, going off topic for a minute, it's amazing how many people who've posted in this thread are not here anymore.
I don't usually bump my own threads but recent events concerning the released memos about torture made me think this thread should be revisited.
I guess George Bush lied again when he said that "We Don't Torture". I guess he'll say he wasn't aware of it...Yeah Right! Remember folks, the buck stops at the feet of the Commander in Chief.
Hi Ralph, welcome to C S and thank you for your post. It is a very interesting theory you put forward and has a lot of merit. Quite interesting linking energy to matter and vice versa. I don't know who did that calculation but I think 50^10 tons seems puny to me considering the mass of Earth = 6.58542823 × 10^21 short tons. Anyway, I came upon something I thought was very interesting. The distance from the earth to the sun is approx 93 million miles. This is known as 1 Astronomical Unit or AU. The diameter of Betelgeuse (the star not the movie) is 2.57 AU. so, if some all powerful god were to play a game by switching our sun for Betelgeuse, this planet would vaporize in a matter of seconds. What need was there for a flood? Having created the universe god could have taken Noah and his family and 2 of every living thing up into heaven where they would be safe, cast the earth with all the bad people god created into the sun and start over again. Maybe he'd get it right the secong time. But I digress.
It seems odd to me that believers need constant reinforcement or refresher courses every sunday and before they eat a meal and when they go to bed at night and on the radio ad nauseum. They must be very insecure about their beliefs because they are constantly trying to convince everybody else to think like they do. They even going to jungles to preach to simple people who have been doing quite well for 1,000's of years thank you very much. They build cathedrals and churches all over the globe to show how great they are.
Atheists don't build any churches where they have to gather every week, they don't preach, they don't have constant reminders and rituals to keep themselves thinking the way they do. You will never hear an Atheist radio show talking about how to be an good Atheist. They don't have a handbook that they have to constantly refer to and quote chapter & verse from. They live & let live and are totally secure in the knowledge that there is nobody going to judge them after they are dead, that they will just rot in the ground and their story will be over. They know that there is only this one life they have and they live it the best way they can. They have only one moral code and that is to treat everybody the same way they would want to be treated. They know that god is nothing more than a creation of mankind. They know that what believers call a soul is just one more invention of people who just can't face the fact that when you're dead...you're dead...finis...game over! Atheists are the strongest most confident people on earth because they don't need an all powerful father figure who will save them from all the nasty things on this planet. When somebody does something great, they give him or her credit for it, like a doctor who just saved their childs life with an operation instead of saying thank god, they say "thank you doctor".
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Mine says agnostic, they must think that's some new offshoot of the Rosecrutians.
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So, by that one must conclude that you advocate torturing POW's!If that's true, you obviously know nothing about torture.
Is this what you want our POW's to go through? Would you want our men and women in uniform to be treated like this?
Torturing a prisoner will not get you the information you need it will only get what you want to hear. Under torture a person will say anything to save his life, confess to anything even though he may be totally innocent. How many people have been found to be innocent of crimes they were convicted of by forced confessions and have been released from prison? And, were paid large sums of money in compensation for being railroaded? Or worse, how many innocent people have been executed based on forced confessions? This troubles me a great deal because if it can happen to anybody, it can happen to me, and it can happen to you as well!
BTW, going off topic for a minute, it's amazing how many people who've posted in this thread are not here anymore.