BnaturAl Forum Posts (6,811)

RE: What in the sam-hell is going on overseas? : )

I am in agreement with your premise. There is however some religious scripture that does encourage killing , as well as stealing women for the use of the plunderers and much more.

And as Riya has stated scripture is written by man not any god, just as god is a belief of man.

RE: On the problem of freewill.

glory be!

RE: How do you keep your feet warm????

some people put them in their mouth .. I dunno if its for warmth though?

RE: On the problem of freewill.

I think there's no real free will, a monitored will, yes, self monitored, state monitored, gov't monitored and good old religion monitors. And if you beleive the bible, Adam and Eve are plunked down in a rather nice place, given free will BUT .. don't eat the apple this is a 'cost you' will.

In the end the only time you get free will is when you die, because there's no monitor forcing you to write your last will... which may have repercussions but youre dead and all the willing you did in life is given to someone else who has to pay monitor fees for getting all your goodwill.

RE: On the problem of freewill.

paradoxical lamentations... this is good dude!

RE: Intellectual pursuit.

but in the arctic I would settle for someone willing to share body warmth.

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

If you measure a woman's worth by 'astrology' alone then you should by all means stick to not saying a word and peeking at her chest.
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Not a person's, nor a woman's 'worth', but her penchant for certain things yes. sorry to interrupt your chat with diogenes..

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

what I find amazing is that there are texts now, apparently interpreted properly and I use that word loosely because I find it difficult to find translation myself, doesn't mean someone else can't. These texts are written in normal understandable english... not even close to the quatrains crypticness, so I wonder...money maker?

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

unfortuneatley one of the ways man learns.

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

I wonder if other astrologers have weighed in on this?

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

usually in our mouths (foot(.. but if and I'm not saying yes there is, but if there is a god you'd think he would have made man less ... inquisitive about his possibilites? or make you less angry about our interventions?

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

man playing god .. this could become another god thread! ...

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

Well that sort of makes sense. I am not up on my history well enough to guess what the times were like then, about how people felt about such things .. I know they burned witches in some places and such but when Nostradamus was doing his thing?
It would make sense then if he was said to be into black magic, to comporte himself in this manner as well. possible, but just conjecture on my part. Witches today comporte themselves differently as do astrologers of today as well.
Perhaps time was of no concern to him? Perhaps his quatrains were written as a 'black magic artist would write them'?

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

well I guess its not so inconcieveable, since doctors regularily perform C-sections or induce the woman when it suits thier schedule ...

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

yep, the aura reader, of course though I have only read about reading auras for medical diagnosis and treatment. I was not aware he produced predictions though.

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

It is a very complicated science to even figure out one single event, very time consuming. To calcualte 12 planets, compare your birth chart, then all the angles as well as a number of nodes and mid heavens, it is extremely complex.

The problem with Nostradamus is that his quatrains were written in older dialects and the translations are somewhat cryptic .. I think he knew what he meant when he wrote them, but there is something that makes it misunderstandable.

A lot of debunkers say that you can find any prediction after its event, go back and say, see Nostradamus predicted that... and I think that is true.. which sometimes cause me to think why did he do it this way? A man able to predict his own death time without doubt, but not be able to produce dates for future events, unless he did not look for dates, just for events? Did he lack some knowledge that would give him time frames for his predictions at the very least? If he knew those time frames why would he not include them and instead only provide character or event descriptions?

very curious.

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

he spent a whole lot of time(almost his whole life) ado-ing about nothing then?

Nostrodamus: Astrological genius or lucky fool?

Nostradamus was one of the early astrologers. He among other things predicted the moment of his death. Astrology is a very complex study and it is said that you if included the time it took him to learn to make predictions, that he spent about 2 years just to learn about that one split second when he would pass on. remove the time it took him to learn to make calculations and that time becomes about one hour. A lot of time spent still, to learn about one second of life. (death actually)

His books have been translated and read about as much as any major book has. When world events reach a crissis, such as 911, websites regarding Nostradamus and his predictions get more hits than you can shake a stick at.

Are his predictions true?

Do they have any value in a society looking for answers?

RE: Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’?

Oops forgot to finish my thoughts...


yep you're right its not god, it is man causing the problem with this god toy.. How do you deal with that ... take away his toys!

can't get rid of man
and taking away this toy is just as unlikey

RE: Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’?

key words being , individual and spiritual , taking the responsibility for your own actions. I agree. Being spirtual is a far better choice in my mind as well.


the god I refer to (needing to be removed) is the one most often chosen, not the one you and I agree on, but the one used to fights wars, the one used to justify behavior good or bad, the one used to blame and or ignore others in light of your own problems.. I'm not foolish enough to beleive all crap will be gone, but a great deal of it will, and would there be growing pains, yep. And you're right it is more religion than god, but religion is rooted in god... or is god rooted in religion?

sorry if I didn't make that clear.

RE: Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’?

Ray; your applauding my efforts puts me in mind of something like having charles manson on Hillary Clintons political ticket KIDDING .. this new you is enlightening dude!




who would support such a notion Ray? A god made by man when most believe god actually made man? paradoxical lamentations.
Closer to the truth for sure Ray, but you'll need a whole bunch of hocus pocus to pull it off because it is against human nature for man to blame himself, he needs a god so he can lay his crap at his feet.

your notion isn't lost on me! excellent defintion of god dude! <-- just love this new emotty ...

RE: Needy People

If we spent time understanding anothers needs we'd be far less accusatory and far more understanding. JMHO

we are all needy in one way or another and sometimes just at different times than others.

RE: If one cloud over you could turn into a Wish...

well .... sis .... I would wish you weren't my sis and ...

RE: Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’?

I would never want to play trivial pursuit with you dude!

RE: Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’?

weird is good

conjecture is good

but 'belief' based on conjecture is just a tad ... foolish, especially since it has been conjecture for more than 2000 years..

Its this beleiving in a god that gives man the tools, weapons to control other men who beleive. Its not god, if there is one, its belief that strangles man and keeps hm in the dark ages. Men with evil purpose use and search out people who will beleive...

life is energy ... so is god life? is god energy? possibly, still looking in that hat. and why does it have to be labelled god? maybe its universal pea soup!

You're right, the label .. so get rid of it ... and whole range of possibilites come into play as well as a desire to look in more hats.

RE: Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’?

that is pretty telling of the lack of wisdom in beleiving because of its end result. I have no problem with things evolving until it fails the rabbit in the hat test. How many years do you keep staring at a hat, accepting that god is in there, before you go and have a look.


Had you read, I don't beleive I ever said that there is no possibility of god persay, in fact have said that there MAY be based on my own information and facts a god presence, though I do not have enough proof to state it unequivocaly. I have stated that is as 'close to the essence of referrals to god as I can find' .. not that it is god, label or otherwise. For me that label is energy

The knowledge to which I referred and you are now referring as being able to tap into ... is that same enegry. I will not label as god, without substantive proof, god-like because of its properties are equateable to the properties of god, sure.... but I can also tap into CNN that doesn't make it god, or even godly.

God as a concept, great, a concept leads you to search, a belief arrests your search, people stop looking beyond the god they god they know, such stringent belief holds you in its very nature to not search beyond what you believe. Stop beleiving there is a god and the whole universe opens up, it doesn't close down as you suggest or attempt to make me appear. We don't need a god to search, to learn, much less to choose good over bad behavior.

Maybe there is a god, maybe there's a whole soccer team of gods and that beleif is just as foolish as believing there is only one, or two or male or female.

I am open but not to 2000 yrs of unbeleiveable nonsense. Santa is just not there. I've looked in the hat, its you who refuses to do so. Just sayin, Orla, look in the hat.

RE: Can we allow this to happen?

if you do this Paws, all that will be left is my innane weekly HurriedScopes! I'd have to stop them too, without the validity your news gives to my innaneness .... errrr somethin like that.

RE: Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’?

ummm, rather pointless dispersion dontcha not think?


can't change that we're human but we can change that we don't follow santas and gods that do not exist.

As soon as you remove god, all the crap that controls others, feeds and fuels religious separtism is gone.

You are then left with pure unadulterated virtue, pure philosophy, pure curiousity. If there is one out there, this is the way to find it/him/her.

RE: Why be moral? What is meant by ‘right’, ‘wrong’, ‘good’ and ‘value’?

angular dispersion, I like that

MAN is the answer....errrrr sourced resourcefully as he is want to be