Children and the state (75)
Iuchi_Zien: OK, Question.
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
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I'm asking a question, not making a statement. Do you see anything that says 'I think' or 'in my opinion' there?
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Should the state subsidise the rich by giving them healthcare, education, child benefit and creche places?
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Iuchi_Zien: OK, Question.
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
What a sick mind you have to even ask these sick questions
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Godsgift: Should the state subsidise the rich by giving them healthcare, education, child benefit and creche places?
Should children be penalised for their background? Would it be fair for a child from a 'poor' family to receive free healthcare etc, whilst a child from a 'rich' family is denied these benefits because their parents are more interested in keeping their wealth and are therefore not prepared to pay for these 'privileges'?
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Trealach01: What a sick mind you have to even ask these sick questions
So I take it you have never read newspapers attacking unemployed parents with large numbers of children? You have never heard people condemn single parents for being a 'drain' upon society? You don't remember the utter condemnation from some of the woman in the US who had multiple children and required state aid to finance them?
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Iuchi_Zien: OK, Question.
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
yes absolutely
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Iuchi_Zien: OK, Question.
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
#1-What is the meaning of this question? Not all parents who have children intended themselves to be "poor." Within the last few years, some parents have lost their jobs, their homes and their savings. Now that the parents are "poor" is it right to penalize the children, i.e., medical assistance, food assistance, clothing assistance?
#2-A "perfectly" healthy child can become "handicapped" at any time in their lives (Traumatic Brain Injury , Vehicular Accident, etc.) Would it be fair to the child/children to not seek any and all available avenues of assistance? Every child has the potential to have some form of "handicap", so should no child be born?
#3-Each country is different in how it handles children who are "dumped" (call it what you will). No country is more right or more wrong than another. All we can do as citizens of this world is to help as best we can.
JMO
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amahlala: #1-What is the meaning of this question? Not all parents who have children intended themselves to be "poor." Within the last few years, some parents have lost their jobs, their homes and their savings. Now that the parents are "poor" is it right to penalize the children, i.e., medical assistance, food assistance, clothing assistance?
#2-A "perfectly" healthy child can become "handicapped" at any time in their lives (Traumatic Brain Injury , Vehicular Accident, etc.) Would it be fair to the child/children to not seek any and all available avenues of assistance? Every child has the potential to have some form of "handicap", so should no child be born?
#3-Each country is different in how it handles children who are "dumped" (call it what you will). No country is more right or more wrong than another. All we can do as citizens of this world is to help as best we can.
JMO
#2-A "perfectly" healthy child can become "handicapped" at any time in their lives (Traumatic Brain Injury , Vehicular Accident, etc.) Would it be fair to the child/children to not seek any and all available avenues of assistance? Every child has the potential to have some form of "handicap", so should no child be born?
#3-Each country is different in how it handles children who are "dumped" (call it what you will). No country is more right or more wrong than another. All we can do as citizens of this world is to help as best we can.
JMO
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amahlala: #1-What is the meaning of this question? Not all parents who have children intended themselves to be "poor." Within the last few years, some parents have lost their jobs, their homes and their savings. Now that the parents are "poor" is it right to penalize the children, i.e., medical assistance, food assistance, clothing assistance?
OK example Nadya Suleman, how much negative coverage has there been? Death threats?
Newspaper quote: Many have expressed concern that Suleman's decision for more children, despite being unemployed and unmarried, would burden taxpayers via public support
That is just one of thousands of examples, in the UK we have had the worst kind of vitriol aimed at a married couple, on benefits, who have fifteen children they are described as 'spongers', sroungers' even 'evil'. amahlala:
#2-A "perfectly" healthy child can become "handicapped" at any time in their lives (Traumatic Brain Injury , Vehicular Accident, etc.) Would it be fair to the child/children to not seek any and all available avenues of assistance? Every child has the potential to have some form of "handicap", so should no child be born?
#2-A "perfectly" healthy child can become "handicapped" at any time in their lives (Traumatic Brain Injury , Vehicular Accident, etc.) Would it be fair to the child/children to not seek any and all available avenues of assistance? Every child has the potential to have some form of "handicap", so should no child be born?
What about children born with profound disabilities which will leave the parent, in some countries, destitute or forced to give the child into the care of the state? How do you later explain to the child your parents couldn't afford to keep you? I have actually been to Romania and have seen the devastating effect those words can have on children
amahlala:
#3-Each country is different in how it handles children who are "dumped" (call it what you will). No country is more right or more wrong than another. All we can do as citizens of this world is to help as best we can.
#3-Each country is different in how it handles children who are "dumped" (call it what you will). No country is more right or more wrong than another. All we can do as citizens of this world is to help as best we can.
So you think that leaving children out to die, or be taken by wild animals is acceptable? It does STILL happen!
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Iuchi_Zien: OK, Question.
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
by now, you all know that Im a weirdo... 1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
If the state allocated substantial resources [hope I used a proper term] for weapons ,some "secret projects"
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amahlala: #1-What is the meaning of this question? Not all parents who have children intended themselves to be "poor." Within the last few years, some parents have lost their jobs, their homes and their savings. Now that the parents are "poor" is it right to penalize the children, i.e., medical assistance, food assistance, clothing assistance?
#2-A "perfectly" healthy child can become "handicapped" at any time in their lives (Traumatic Brain Injury , Vehicular Accident, etc.) Would it be fair to the child/children to not seek any and all available avenues of assistance? Every child has the potential to have some form of "handicap", so should no child be born?
#3-Each country is different in how it handles children who are "dumped" (call it what you will). No country is more right or more wrong than another. All we can do as citizens of this world is to help as best we can.
JMO
#2-A "perfectly" healthy child can become "handicapped" at any time in their lives (Traumatic Brain Injury , Vehicular Accident, etc.) Would it be fair to the child/children to not seek any and all available avenues of assistance? Every child has the potential to have some form of "handicap", so should no child be born?
#3-Each country is different in how it handles children who are "dumped" (call it what you will). No country is more right or more wrong than another. All we can do as citizens of this world is to help as best we can.
JMO
I agree withyou, it is unfortunate that some people take an inhuman view on this iisue, but it is just such thinking that started the communes in China, where married couples were separated and only allowed two children, and a visit a month, ofcourse this does not happen now, but, the thin end of the wedge.
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Boban1: by now, you all know that Im a weirdo...
If the state allocated substantial resources [hope I used a proper term] for weapons ,some "secret projects" financing politicians who already have all possible benefits ..why couldn`t the state actually do something for their citizens
If the state allocated substantial resources [hope I used a proper term] for weapons ,some "secret projects" financing politicians who already have all possible benefits ..why couldn`t the state actually do something for their citizens
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Iuchi_Zien: OK, Question.
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
Everyone born is born by a quirk of fate/luck, whether that be to a wealthy, average or poor family.
The recent(last 3 years) failings of pure capitalism should be looked upon as an opportunity for society to move towards a more social form of capitalism... Scandanavia seem to have it, and it works.
There should be FREE health care and schooling( to an acceptable standard) available to ALL less fortunate people, continued failure to do so WILL and IS lending to a social underclass in western societies. This is not good for the fabric of society..... All we need do is look to history to see the results of societies where this has happened. Furthermore it is unacceptable to penalise children, non of whom asked to be born, for the failings or bad luck of their parents
The breakdown of the family unit, not marraige, but parents looking after their kids, absent fathers is leading towards gang culture in Europe and has already done so in the USA. Children are the future and they need to be nutured and cared for by society as a whole. Our failure to do so will be our failure and failing.
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Boban1: by now, you all know that Im a weirdo...
If the state allocated substantial resources [hope I used a proper term] for weapons ,some "secret projects" financing politicians who already have all possible benefits ..why couldn`t the state actually do something for their citizens
If the state allocated substantial resources [hope I used a proper term] for weapons ,some "secret projects" financing politicians who already have all possible benefits ..why couldn`t the state actually do something for their citizens
So very well put Boban, it's a shame that normal people don't become politicians.
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blarneykite: Everyone born is born by a quirk of fate/luck, whether that be to a wealthy, average or poor family.
The recent(last 3 years) failings of pure capitalism should be looked upon as an opportunity for society to move towards a more social form of capitalism... Scandanavia seem to have it, and it works.
There should be FREE health care and schooling( to an acceptable standard) available to ALL less fortunate people, continued failure to do so WILL and IS lending to a social underclass in western societies. This is not good for the fabric of society..... All we need do is look to history to see the results of societies where this has happened. Furthermore it is unacceptable to penalise children, non of whom asked to be born, for the failings or bad luck of their parents
The breakdown of the family unit, not marraige, but parents looking after their kids, absent fathers is leading towards gang culture in Europe and has already done so in the USA. Children are the future and they need to be nutured and cared for by society as a whole. Our failure to do so will be our failure and failing.
WHAT pure Capitalism?Where?The recent(last 3 years) failings of pure capitalism should be looked upon as an opportunity for society to move towards a more social form of capitalism... Scandanavia seem to have it, and it works.
There should be FREE health care and schooling( to an acceptable standard) available to ALL less fortunate people, continued failure to do so WILL and IS lending to a social underclass in western societies. This is not good for the fabric of society..... All we need do is look to history to see the results of societies where this has happened. Furthermore it is unacceptable to penalise children, non of whom asked to be born, for the failings or bad luck of their parents
The breakdown of the family unit, not marraige, but parents looking after their kids, absent fathers is leading towards gang culture in Europe and has already done so in the USA. Children are the future and they need to be nutured and cared for by society as a whole. Our failure to do so will be our failure and failing.
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Just a simple statement I-Z...I did not bring religion into any of statements and I honestly don't see the need to...I don't believe that you or I will see "eye-to-eye" on this subject as I view it differently than you and our interpretations of what each is meaning...so I will stop answering after this and just enjoy reading what you and others post.
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Conrad73: WHAT pure Capitalism?Where?
Well lets see, America and the banks, Europe and the banks. Leaving Industry/Commerce to their own devices has proven disasterous. How many Billions has it cost Europe not to mention the trillions its cost America.
I'm not anti capitalism at all, having run a few businesses.
This is the thrid time the banks have been bailed out in Ireland.
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Iuchi_Zien: OK, Question.
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?
No...
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1. Should the state subsidise the children from poor families who cannot afford to raise their children on the incomes they have?
2. IF not, should parents be allowed to bring handicapped children into the world without the resources to fund their requirements without access to public funds?
3. Where do you stop? Do you go to a Romanian system where the children were 'dumped' in state orphanages if the parents ran out of money? Do you force the poor to have abortions if they cannot afford to look after their children?