What gives a country the right to own land? (101)
Obstinance_Works: But to dig deeper I suppose the first principle of every civilised nation is the sense fellow-feeling and social trust. The sense that I can trust my neighbours because myself and my neighbours as a group share something in common which makes us distinct from other groups. Basically nationhood is teamwork, and the concept of teamwork only stands when there exists an opposing team to your own.
Without the opposition to a group, a group fragments into selfish individuals. And as such a team earth could only exist if there was a team extraterrestrial. Team Britain only exists because there is a team Russia, team France, team Brazil etc and this carries all the way down to the level of the individual. For every unified and cohesive group there is an equal and opposing group.
Without the opposition to a group, a group fragments into selfish individuals. And as such a team earth could only exist if there was a team extraterrestrial. Team Britain only exists because there is a team Russia, team France, team Brazil etc and this carries all the way down to the level of the individual. For every unified and cohesive group there is an equal and opposing group.
And this is one reason why I like Putin and his semi re-ignition of the cold war. I blame the unparalleled poor performance of Western civilisation and its people between the years of 1980 and 2008 on the fact that the West had no real rival between these years. This unique circumstance enabled the White/Western generation of that time to literally disengage from reality and cease to consider anything as a threat - i.e. it led to slacking off, overconfidence and childish optimism(which all amount to hubris).
Glatlol: That may enable them to takeover a Country but does it actually give them the right to?
Law and justice don`t go hand in had ,the " right" or laws are written in the likeness of those in power and as Mayer Amschel Rothschild said "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" ... controlling the money or a countries wealth would mean little if it wasn`t backed up by big guns
JeanKimberley: Eminent Domain
The power to take private property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.
Federal, state, and local governments may take private property through their power of eminent domain or may regulate it by exercising their Police Power. The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires the government to provide just compensation to the owner of the private property to be taken. A variety of property rights are subject to eminent domain, such as air, water, and land rights. The government takes private property through condemnation proceedings. Throughout these proceedings, the property owner has the right of due process.
Eminent domain is a challenging area for the courts, which have struggled with the question of whether the regulation of property, rather than its acquisition, is a taking requiring just compensation. In addition, private property owners have begun to initiate actions against the government in a kind of proceeding called inverse condemnation.
The power to take private property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.
Federal, state, and local governments may take private property through their power of eminent domain or may regulate it by exercising their Police Power. The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires the government to provide just compensation to the owner of the private property to be taken. A variety of property rights are subject to eminent domain, such as air, water, and land rights. The government takes private property through condemnation proceedings. Throughout these proceedings, the property owner has the right of due process.
Eminent domain is a challenging area for the courts, which have struggled with the question of whether the regulation of property, rather than its acquisition, is a taking requiring just compensation. In addition, private property owners have begun to initiate actions against the government in a kind of proceeding called inverse condemnation.
Good. But there are lands which belong to a country without being taken by the government of that country. For example, natural territories, lakes, high mountains which never had an owner or a "property title".
no one ''owns'' any land! land is rented, because we all die...so land is rented for a while
JeanKimberley: Eminent Domain
The power to take private property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.
Federal, state, and local governments may take private property through their power of eminent domain or may regulate it by exercising their Police Power. The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires the government to provide just compensation to the owner of the private property to be taken. A variety of property rights are subject to eminent domain, such as air, water, and land rights. The government takes private property through condemnation proceedings. Throughout these proceedings, the property owner has the right of due process.
Eminent domain is a challenging area for the courts, which have struggled with the question of whether the regulation of property, rather than its acquisition, is a taking requiring just compensation. In addition, private property owners have begun to initiate actions against the government in a kind of proceeding called inverse condemnation.
The power to take private property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.
Federal, state, and local governments may take private property through their power of eminent domain or may regulate it by exercising their Police Power. The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires the government to provide just compensation to the owner of the private property to be taken. A variety of property rights are subject to eminent domain, such as air, water, and land rights. The government takes private property through condemnation proceedings. Throughout these proceedings, the property owner has the right of due process.
Eminent domain is a challenging area for the courts, which have struggled with the question of whether the regulation of property, rather than its acquisition, is a taking requiring just compensation. In addition, private property owners have begun to initiate actions against the government in a kind of proceeding called inverse condemnation.
There is a legal procedure here that is called “amparo” (protection) here but it can be expensive and troublesome.
Also, there can be speculation from the “public servants” for them having information about a new highway or some gov development and go ahead and buy themselves the surrounding or the land and later sell it to the government at a higher price.
Some politicians have been caught on it and have lost elections with all the propaganda of their unethical proceedings.
tomcatwarne: Conquest.
To each action there is a reaction of the same magnitude but
in the opposite direction
Happy –legal and illegal- immigration to the conquers!
Glatlol: That may enable them to takeover a Country but does it actually give them the right to?
Exactly!
Is it right?
jono7: hiya lifeisadream
i think, historically..'might is right' and gets to keep control and the goodies which includes land.
a different view might be that everything is interconnected...we're all here together. with that said, a focus towards good stewardship of the land promotes a healthy environment, which also supports healthy folks....
.....all connected. it doesn't matter if i hurt you, or you hurt me..it's all the same...part of the bigger unity.
i think, historically..'might is right' and gets to keep control and the goodies which includes land.
a different view might be that everything is interconnected...we're all here together. with that said, a focus towards good stewardship of the land promotes a healthy environment, which also supports healthy folks....
.....all connected. it doesn't matter if i hurt you, or you hurt me..it's all the same...part of the bigger unity.
Hi Jono
"Healthy folks" is independent of who owns the land in an environment of freedom. In a dictatorship that can be different though.
I do see the land (country) as a bigger home yet the right for the countries to own it or the citizens is just a matter of order, qlthough, it has been unfair and violent at times.
Hurting someone is not my choice yet I will protect my beloved ones, even the strangers around and myself.
Conrad73: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montevideo_Convention
Could you please get the core of the info and type here Conrad so we do not have to copy your links and open a new window and get to read the whole article, please.
Thank you!
Obstinance_Works: Cultural inheritance and history grant the right.
Spilled blood, solidarity and a strong deterrent are what secure this right.
Spilled blood, solidarity and a strong deterrent are what secure this right.
I do understand that some countries are invaders and that some other countries have to defend themselves but that has been going on for thousands of years, how long are we going to live with that?
Isn’t that a barbarian state?
Look at USA they declared war to Mexico, bought some land (swapped by debt more precisely) and now thre are millions of Mexicans in that land.
What it is the point?
Countries are still fighting for land and they are missing a more valuable treasure: humans.
Not every human but some that can be a big asset to any country.
Is that fair, not it is not eiher.
JeanKimberley: It might be interesting to look at the historical emergence of some countries.
Canada formed in a different way than did the United States. and from what I have been reading that Americans fighters and militia were vastly underfunding, and outgunned by the British. Washington lost many battles at the beginning.
So what is the birth of Canada, one hundred years later, with all the British loyalists heading north - the battle on the plains of Abraham in 1812 ..... then what?
The largest military does not necessarily win countries.
Canada formed in a different way than did the United States. and from what I have been reading that Americans fighters and militia were vastly underfunding, and outgunned by the British. Washington lost many battles at the beginning.
So what is the birth of Canada, one hundred years later, with all the British loyalists heading north - the battle on the plains of Abraham in 1812 ..... then what?
The largest military does not necessarily win countries.
Mexico was born several centuries before USA
and?
An empire based in land by the military seems rather an obsolete one, that had been done by ancient cultures thousands of years ago.
Another question would be:
Is the gain in the land worth the souls and blood wasted?
(of course that there are a few that benefit from the business of war)
I would ask
How we humans can develop:
a better way of living
a better way of thinking
a better way of creating
(art, technology...)
Is it land?
Is it money?
Is it material adquisition?
?
pedro27: no one ''owns'' any land! land is rented, because we all die...so land is rented for a while
From a philosophical/religious point of view yes we will take not a thing when we fly to eternity.
If we do.
GUZMAN1: Good. But there are lands which belong to a country without being taken by the government of that country. For example, natural territories, lakes, high mountains which never had an owner or a "property title".
Not only the land on Earth but also other planets, moons…
I have already bought the moon, so it is mine.
I still can't believe that some wise guy sold me Uranus back in the 1970's!
lifeisadream: Not only the land on Earth but also other planets, moons…
I have already bought the moon, so it is mine.
I have already bought the moon, so it is mine.
That trade is possible: only if you buy properties in the moon with peaceful intentions. It's what the international treaty says.
GUZMAN1: That trade is possible: only if you buy properties in the moon with peaceful intentions. It's what the international treaty says.
Thanks Guzman for the link, interesting and comical at the same time
"....Taking account of United Nations General Assembly resolution 110 (II) of 3 November 1947, which condemned propaganda designed or likely to provoke or encourage any threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, and considering that the aforementioned resolution is applicable to outer space,
Soviet plans for general and complete disarmament between 1960 and 1962 included provisions for ensuring the peaceful use of outer space. The Soviet Union, however, would not separate outer space from other disarmament issues, nor would it agree to restrict outer space to peaceful uses unless U.S. foreign bases at which short-range and medium-range missiles were stationed were eliminated also.
The exploration and use of outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies,
shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries,
irrespective of their degree of economic or scientific development, and shall be the province of all mankind...."Dragos1: I still can't believe that some wise guy sold me Uranus back in the 1970's!
And how is Uranus doing Niko.gas?
lifeisadream: And how is Uranus doing Niko.gas?
I have no idea. You have a very strange obsession with my old user name and making a stink. Maybe one day you will rule the "Moon"
lifeisadream: The time, any one you like.Thanks in advance and great weekend!
Good Question.
IMAGINE (John Lennon)
Jaymack: Good Question.IMAGINE (John Lennon)
Imagination can be good reality is different.
Dragos1: I have no idea. You have a very strange obsession with my old user name and making a stink. Maybe one day you will rule the "Moon"
Obsession? No
Good memory instead.
To rule the moon? No
Not enough testosterone to rule anything but my life.
Italian dialects
What gives a country the right to own land.Wish I could ask that question to my native ancestry.
lifeisadream:
Obsession? No
Good memory instead.
To rule the moon? No
Not enough testosterone to rule anything but my life.
Obsession? No
Good memory instead.
To rule the moon? No
Not enough testosterone to rule anything but my life.
Hate me all you wish but at least have a little couth.
In the US, the first property case that was argued in court was about whether Indians should get paid for land that was taken from them. Justice Marshall said in about 20 or so pages that the Indians are non-Christian barbarians and that because of that fact, they don't possess the same status as Christians and therefore don't need to be awarded the same rights. He also referred to the right of conquest which is as old as humanity. You go, you kill and you take. That is still on the books, by the way.
lifeisadream: The time, any one you like.Thanks in advance and great weekend!
maybe, for the same reason we keep our mouth shut while looking up outside... contd.
Mexican Revolution (1910–1921), civil war
Border War (1910–1918), Banana Wars, World War I, referring to the conflicts between the United States military and Mexico which took place roughly between 1910 and 1918 along the Mexico – United States border and Veracruz. Also Mexico and the German Empire against American forces. United States occupation of Veracruz, Battle of Columbus (1916), Battle of Parral, Battle of Carrizal, and Battle of Ambos Nogales were some notable engagements of these wars.
Cristero War (1926–1929), civil war between Catholics and the anti-religious government
Spanish Civil War (1936–1939)
World War II (1942–1945)
Mexico–Guatemala conflict (1958-1959)
Dirty War (1968–1982)
Zapatista Uprising (Armed Conflict: 1994–present), indigenous groups declare war against the Mexican Government
EPR Marxist Guerrilla Conflict (1996–present), the Popular Revolutionary Army or Ejército Popular Revolucionario (EPR) formed in 1996 and promotes a Marxist philosophy. Several clashes with Mexican military forces in Oaxaca state followed the group's July 1996 declaration of war against the government. The EPR is believed to be connected to the pipeline attacks in June and September, 2007.
Mexican Drug War (2006–present), Mexico's major war on drugs
Mexican Revolution (1910–1921), civil war
Border War (1910–1918), Banana Wars, World War I, referring to the conflicts between the United States military and Mexico which took place roughly between 1910 and 1918 along the Mexico – United States border and Veracruz. Also Mexico and the German Empire against American forces. United States occupation of Veracruz, Battle of Columbus (1916), Battle of Parral, Battle of Carrizal, and Battle of Ambos Nogales were some notable engagements of these wars.
Cristero War (1926–1929), civil war between Catholics and the anti-religious government
Spanish Civil War (1936–1939)
World War II (1942–1945)
Mexico–Guatemala conflict (1958-1959)
Dirty War (1968–1982)
Zapatista Uprising (Armed Conflict: 1994–present), indigenous groups declare war against the Mexican Government
EPR Marxist Guerrilla Conflict (1996–present), the Popular Revolutionary Army or Ejército Popular Revolucionario (EPR) formed in 1996 and promotes a Marxist philosophy. Several clashes with Mexican military forces in Oaxaca state followed the group's July 1996 declaration of war against the government. The EPR is believed to be connected to the pipeline attacks in June and September, 2007.
Mexican Drug War (2006–present), Mexico's major war on drugs
lifeisadream: The time, any one you like.Thanks in advance and great weekend!
Military power. I believe some elements of that are enshrined in law, particularly as it relates to far off places.
If anyone tried to take my garden at side front and back away I would shoot them with my gun.
peachmelba: If anyone tried to take my garden at side front and back away I would shoot them with my gun.
I'm going for shooting lessons ,my friend is going to show me how to shoot at coke cans,
peachmelba: If anyone tried to take my garden at side front and back away I would shoot them with my gun.
Attachment can make us do terrible things.
bodleing2: Attachment can make us do terrible things.
It's mine I cut its grass and I have wild flowers growing,,,
peachmelba: It's mine I cut its grass and I have wild flowers growing,,,
Plus it's my cats buried ground all 4 of them and there is a dog too .
peachmelba: It's mine I cut its grass and I have wild flowers growing,,,
And you have a gun to defend it. Territorial we Humans are.
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Spilled blood, solidarity and a strong deterrent are what secure this right.
But to dig deeper I suppose the first principle of every civilised nation is the sense fellow-feeling and social trust. The sense that I can trust my neighbours because myself and my neighbours as a group share something in common which makes us distinct from other groups. Basically nationhood is teamwork, and the concept of teamwork only stands when there exists an opposing team to your own.
Without the opposition to a group, a group fragments into selfish individuals. And as such a team earth could only exist if there was a team extraterrestrial. Team Britain only exists because there is a team Russia, team France, team Brazil etc and this carries all the way down to the level of the individual. For every unified and cohesive group there is an equal and opposing group.