Eastern vs. Western Medicine

I just left an acupuncture session, and I feel great! Which really got me to thinking...where has western medicine gone wrong? Why is it that I usually always feel worse once I leave a doctors office, in which they practice western medicine? Is it because it took me three weeks to get that appointment, or because the doctor was 1.5 hours late, or because I felt like I was just one of many being shuffled through the system? Or, could it be that the doctor never really took a true interest in my ailment, that he/she just wanted to pump me full of drugs, and/or send me on a wild goose chase to pharmacy after pharmacy, waiting in more lines?

I have been having acupuncture done for years. For a long time, my insurance wouldnt even cover it, because its not 'recognized' by many insurance agencies as a valid treatment plan. But, I assure you it is. Moreso even than 99% of the crap they do insure. My mother was told by western doctors that she should have two knee replacements, and that she should walk with a cane. Hell no, she said! She consistently goes to acupuncture, and she is fine. No cane, no pain. Did you know that open heart surgeries have been performed using only acupuncture needles, and no pain medicine or anisthetics? There are specific points in the body interconnected with others, so this doesnt seem so far fetched to me.

Same thing with many fertility clinics. What a waste of time and money. Go get some acupuncture. Doesnt it make sense to cure the energy flowing in our bodies, rather than putting more chemicals in?

Well, to each their own, but I would say to those that feel they have hit a dead end with a treatment in western medicine, to please find a reputable acupuncturist and just at least give it a try. I was in and out within 40 minutes, and I feel great.....cheers
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a i hav my earlobe needled 2.it bled and hurt but no worries bleeding a bit helps u let out toxin.its also needed.yes try some herbs its less worse than the side effect dat pills give u.all d best! :)
About this blood letting, I wounder if that would explain hemorrhoids. Is there anyone on here that practices blood letting and still has hemorrhoids? Maybe it's natures way of taking care of itself.
I was just wondering, maybe we should bleed more. In the wild, in nature, it would be more 'normal' to shed blood. In this pampered society we now exist in, we don't get that opportunity to loose blood. Thus hemorrhoidsdunno

I think it makes sense. At the very least, it should be looked at.


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well I would say to that two things....hemmorioids dont always bleed, and one of the greatest shortages in our nation is blood. WHy? Because people bleed all the time! They have to go to the hospital for something, and need a few pints of blood replaced.
Seriously though. I've often wondered if there are some benifits to a good bleeding. I wounder if anyone has done a study on it and long term effects, if any. The mechanism to produce blood is built into me, and it never gets used like it would if I was to loose blood fast. Maybe there are some benifits to having some 'new' blood made.

I guess if I want to try I should go donate.
The body has its own built in 'cleaning mechanisms' if you will. WHere were you in 5th grade science? laugh

I think cleaning the energy in our minds and bodies, and spirits, is a great way to get rid of any toxins. But, you already advised, you think you just want to jump off the hamster wheel, and find a way to lose a few pints of blood.
Women would not have issues with the blood thing anyway. Blood letting is a monthly phenomenon for all pre menopausal women.
It's just that the blood I can see. This "energy" you and Miss V speak of, I have no knowledge of. How can I entertain thought that I have no knowledge of.dunno
Yeah, you are totally tuned in Mike. I have read posts by you that were very much about feeling states (different from emotions). You just haven't put a definition to it or use it in a really deliberately conscious way.

When you drive your truck, I can guarantee you use the energy you pick up to "read" what others are going to do on the road. Your intuition is the reader of the energies. Energy frequencies tells you, okay there is a car that feels like it's going to make a lane change right when I plan to...intuition then says, "wait and see what they do". You either follow that little voice of reason or you don't.
Miss EM! beer

I was worried after your comment on CT's blog that you were leaving CS. I hope not hug

Im kind of scared to google that. laugh

Yes, Miss V I agree. Mike is very in tune with energies just doesnt know how to quantify them in his own brain.
But Miss Em, I am curious to know how often do you get acupuncture? In China, is it very common for people to start having it done at very young ages? Is it the standard medical treatment there, or are herbal remedies more common? I am very interested in your knowledge of the subject.
I can explain all that stuff, it's the use of the wisdom to "read" subtle expressions and body language. That is why children don't get it. They can run into a room of people in a bad mood and expect a party.dunno

Yes yes, I remember the blind woman that could walk into the room and 'feel' the mood too. I don't know 111. All I know is what is in front of me, here and now. And that is what I have to deal with.

I'd like to believe in what your saying, but it has to come from with me. We both know that. Countless experiments have been preformed trying to prove this "energy", you speak of, yet no one can positively find it.

Here's to hopecheers


I think a wild animal's thoughts are very simple. If you observe them in nature, not much seems to bother them, but then again, I can't read their minds either.
We have cupping here too, but it does not involve blood letting. The cups are little glass dome looking things and a match is lit, put under the glass dome as it sits on an imbalanced area of the body, then the smoke creates a vacuum which suctions the skin and the sulfur from the match acts as a detoxifier (think that's how it works).. is it the same idea, Emilyyan?
That is chilling miss V. I can actually 'read' what other drivers will do before they do it. But I've identified the reasons for having the ability. It is things like the color or make of the car. Or the aggressiveness of lack of, of a movement the driver makes. The environment around the other driver, and me being able to make an educated "guess" at how they will react to this environment in front of them. I take so many little pieces of information and put them together and compare them to my past experiences, I can very often 'predict', what other divers will do before they even know they will do it.
I agree Mike. It is a conscious choice to believe anything.

Heres something I found interesting....scientific experiements conducted using plants, and peoples intentions only. The results are interesting.


Mike, as we have been writing here, the body expresses what is in the mind. The mind expresses the feeling state. So, absolutely, you are reading body language as an outer expression of what a person is feeling. But how does that body language make you feel anything? It can't. It is your resonance with the energy that a person is emitting that causes you to feel uncomfortable, or anxious, or angry, or aroused. The body language is just like a symptom of a dis-ease. It is not the cause of the feeling just like a runny nose is not the cause of allergies.
Oh boy, now Emily has got me confused againdoh

111 puts my 'crazy' thoughts to rest, and Emily awakens them again.confused
haha no mike, i think we have had this discussion before. Ultimately, you are saying the same thing we are, but in a different manner.

Think about it like this...if you had no energy coming from you, how would you operate? How would the world operate? Wouldnt we then be reduced to robots? Isnt our free will and the energy that drives our free will what makes us human?
True, knowledge and experience are very helpful. But why would the color of a car have anything to do with a person's intentions on the road? Because subconsciously people who are aggressive will choose red cars. People in white cars tend to be more spacey. It is also their energy frequencies that resonate with outer things that have them make certain choices, like car color.
Ok. Brain overload. I need a break.

Interesting conversation. I have to come back and read it again later. It's getting too confusing. Remember, I'm trying to "unconfuse" my mind.doh
ah u see im very slow at this time with my phone..drea..no im just gonna hav a rest n improve more my english before joining the cs conversation again.lol yes the medical treatment n herbal remedies are all standard in any hospital over here.trust me..TCM effects slower than western medicine but its harmless or has less side effect..ive tried them both! n miss V sums it up very well abt the cupping process that i didnt even know how to name their english terms.lol..im sorry mike i was just trying to 'clarify' n i think ive brought the real topic back to eastern vs western medicine?lol
I guess there is a blood type reaction with cupping, now that I think of it. It brings the blood to the surface. It is funny to see people who have had cupping. For a few days they have these big round (about 2 -3 " diameter)"hickies" at the sites of the cupping.laugh laugh
haha yes yes many red round spots after the cupping normally done on the back n it takes a few days till they disappear..but cupping is comfortable and makes u relax too..give it a try miss V u will feel more refreshing after such a big effort of making a cake for CT lol thumbs up im off here now..
111, I don't know about those 'experiments". Just please be careful. It may be some type of cult in disguise.

If I notice any strange changes in you, I'll let you know.beer
There is an issue with us humans ... and the issue is that we have 'complex software' .. our brain has certain powers which we haven't yet mastered well .. though we are on d way (we as humans I mean ... it actually is docs/scientists)


Alternative medicine most probably works only cause of psychomatic effects ... there ain't no proof that acupuncture and such are beneficial ... they are somewhat random acc to me ..

cheers.
We sometime get confused, because our instincts and gut feeling contradict our wants and desires which in turn contradict our ideas or conditioning and what others expect from us and what's available.

For instance, Mike may feel a little uneasy with a girl, yet he ignores that and pursues her, yet she's not available... because maybe she aligns her desires to her gut feeling more than he does.
*lucky ...
well said, dead. laugh

mike, i think you just get confused because you are pretty 'stuck' in your ways, put part of you also is trying to 'emerge' from that shell you have locked yourself into for so long, er, should I say....cage? lol

I assure you I am part of no cult. The link was just to show you the impact of people's energy. Nothing more, nothing less.

This whole notion that we are slightly more advanced than animals is not a really wholistic picture. We have the ability to reason, and animals do not.

10k....many things have been proven and documented surrounding acupuncture. Its been around for 3,000 years. Before most other medicines. cheers
drea


people believed that the earth is flat for like 5000 years ... is it?
laugh Thats a little different my dear. I believed your head was flat until CT pointed out its really egg shaped rolling on the floor laughing

Just kidding, had to throw that in there. doh

anyway, thats a little different, because nothing was studied at that time or shown to prove that claim. Many things are written and studied about acupuncture. beer
oh drea I am really pleased that u were so impressed by me head .. u definately have to inspect my other head ... and while were're there, I could inspect u ... just to give u my opinion u know ... there ain't not ulterior motive behind me proposal.
@drea

the way u r using the word enegry is wrong (and many do just as u are doing now)


energy is by definition the potential to do work, now the only energy that we have in our bodies is chemical (aka stored) energy and its non-transmissable through a blog ...

if u had to through a human body in a fire, it would sustain it by relasing the energy I am talkin about ... just like a piece of wood, petrol etc do. Besides that sort of energy, there is no evidence of any other ...
*throw.....
There is energy within the human body. Where is the electrician, Miss V? rolling on the floor laughing Must we have this debate again, that energy only comes frompower plants? laugh

hahaa...yes, I was just using 'energy' in the sense that his soul and everyones soul for that matter, interacts with other energies.
what makes u so sure we have a soul? (:
the thing is that these stories of 'interior energy', soul etc etc are simply intended to justify the unjustifiable ... consequently .. they're inherently flawed ...


its not like a physical theory where it is explained and proven beyond any doubt ..

one kinda need faith to believe what u're sayin drea .. its religion not science ..


that's how I see it ...
well, I do believe there is a 'spirit' or 'soul' in people. While I love science, there are far too many things in the world which we just have no comprehensible knowledge of. What is the driving force behind everything you do? What makes you think, dream, eat. To me, if there were no such thing as the soul, then what is it that makes everyone different from everyone else? Wouldnt we all just be robots then?
but, stimulating certain points in the body has been proven to have an effect on other parts of the body, or organs. How would you explain that, if not for the energy?
doh that was an honest mistake. I wish my mind had been clever enough to have been able to take credit for that one...lol
laugh Im just pickin on ya mike. Keeping the hamster wheel spinning.....lol have a good nite. comfort
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